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Nancy1999 05-17-2010 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by kpstoybox (Post 3131924)
But the op's post didn't ask for the YTCA's view. What revelance does the YTCA's view on the parti have to do with the "differences between the parti and the Biewer"? It is not a parent club to neither breed and has no place in a sticky that is "supposedly" placed to help those who will one day ask the very same question the OP asked today. I can find a few link's against the YTCA...can we post those too? No...because they would have nothing to do with the topic at hand.
The stickie would not just be for the OP, it would be for anyone who wanted to understand the differences. Are the other links saying that the Parti is not a Yorkshire Terrier? I didn't even get that impression from the YTCA link, it states:

Quote:
Due to unscrupulous breeders advertising parti-colored Yorkshire Terriers at premium prices, our members voted unanimously at our annual meeting to add a disqualification for these and other off colored dogs.

Breezeaway 05-17-2010 04:58 PM
The YTCA also posts this:
The AKC Breed Standard and YTCA Code of Ethics do not recognize any
other color dogs than noted above. This includes all gold, born blue, liver
(also known as red or chocolate), and parti-colors.

kpstoybox 05-17-2010 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3131933)
The stickie would not just be for the OP, it would be for anyone who wanted to understand the differences. Are the other links saying that the Parti is not a Yorkshire Terrier? I didn't even get that impression from the YTCA link, it states:
I never said the sticky was for the OP. I said for those that come in the future and ask the same question the OP did.

Misty didn't put the link to the YTCA in her post to begin with. WHY? Because it doesn't belong there. She didn't even think to put it there. It wasn't until you came along and felt this topic needed to be livened up. And you were right on cue too. Good job!!

Ladymom 05-17-2010 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by kpstoybox (Post 3131914)
And once again..what does this have to do with the topic of this thread? The YTCA claims the parti doesn't exist. That is no big secret on this board. Why do some here feel the need to ruin every thread concerning the parti? :confused:.

If the YTCA link is allowed to remain..then I vote we also link to Poodle Club of America? They hate parti's too!! :thumbup:
Wylie's Mom is trying to compile links for a thread to pin in the Library. The OP's question gets asked a lot and those threads always get long and heated. It would be great to have a sticky we could refer newbies to with just the facts, no editorials. ;)

Nancy1999 05-17-2010 05:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kpstoybox (Post 3131972)
I never said the sticky was for the OP. I said for those that come in the future and ask the same question the OP did.

Misty didn't put the link to the YTCA in her post to begin with. WHY? Because it doesn't belong there. She didn't even think to put it there. It wasn't until you came along and felt this topic needed to be livened up. And you were right on cue too. Good job!!
Misty didn't put any links in her post. Why are you so threatened by people hearing both sides? I'm also getting tired of you accusing me of being a troublemaker every time I post on a Parti thread. Why should these threads only be answered by Parti breeders?

kpstoybox 05-17-2010 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 3131971)
The YTCA also posts this:
The AKC Breed Standard and YTCA Code of Ethics do not recognize any
other color dogs than noted above. This includes all gold, born blue, liver
(also known as red or chocolate), and parti-colors.


:scratchhe

After reading that...could someone please tell me again why they should be linked in a thread concerning the differences between the parti and Biewer?

As you can plainly see..they do not reconize them...so they are NOT the parent club of either. IMO..case closed.

Ladymom 05-17-2010 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by kpstoybox (Post 3131979)
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:scratchhe

After reading that...could someone please tell me again why they should be linked in a thread concerning the differences between the parti and Biewer?

As you can plainly see..they do not reconize them...so they are NOT the parent club of either. IMO..case closed.
Unless you are saying that Parti Yorkies are not even Yorkshire Terriers, of course the YTCA is the "big kahuna" club. :)

I think you are misinterpreting the term "recognize" as used by the YTCA. They aren't saying that Parti's don't exist, just that they are not recognized as defined by Merriam-Webster:

Main Entry: rec·og·nize
Pronunciation: \ˈre-kig-ˌnīz, -kəg-\
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): rec·og·nized; rec·og·niz·ing
Etymology: modification of Anglo-French reconois-, stem of reconoistre, from Latin recognoscere, from re- + cognoscere to know — more at cognition
Date: circa 1532

1 : to acknowledge formally

2: to admit as being of a particular status



Recognize - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

puppylove11 05-17-2010 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3131933)
The stickie would not just be for the OP, it would be for anyone who wanted to understand the differences. Are the other links saying that the Parti is not a Yorkshire Terrier? I didn't even get that impression from the YTCA link, it states:
First off I agree 110% with kpstoysbox! Secondly the ytca has nothing to do with the biewer breed to begin with and they voted the DQ for color because of the parti yorkie. You want a link to the ytca to discredit the parti yorkie and the breeders of the parti yorkie. Plain and simple akc recongizes the parti yorkie!

Nancy1999 you can preach all you want concerning how wonderful and reputable the ytca is and the members of the ytca. I will listen when you have proof of all the ytca members breeding to the standard and not selling yorkshire terrier who do not meet the standard and have health issues with full breeding rights.

JeanieK 05-17-2010 05:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kpstoybox (Post 3131914)
And once again..what does this have to do with the topic of this thread? The YTCA claims the parti doesn't exist. That is no big secret on this board. Why do some here feel the need to ruin every thread concerning the parti? :confused:.

If the YTCA link is allowed to remain..then I vote we also link to Poodle Club of America? They hate parti's too!! :thumbup:
I believe that the YTCA most definitely believs that the parti exists If they didn't admit they existed, then there would be no need to EXCLUDE them.

However, I agree that the YTCA site should not be listed. It has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

kpstoybox 05-17-2010 05:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3131977)

Misty didn't put any links in her post. Why are you so threatened by people hearing both sides? I'm also getting tired of you accusing me of being a troublemaker every time I post on a Parti thread. Why should these threads only be answered by Parti breeders?
I never said that only parti breeders should be able to comment. Let's stip up the pot even more. LOL

And no..Misty didn't put any links. But I did..but only ones that truly should be there. And the concenus was to join the two posts.

You still haven't answered why the YTCA should be linked in a thread concerning two dogs it does not reconize nor parent. This thread was not about the politics of breeding the parti yorkie. But you have been allowed to take it that way...as usual.

livingdustmops 05-17-2010 05:38 PM
The original question was asked "what is the difference between a parti and a biewer". I agree with Karen...a tail...the rest is politics.

MaddiesMommie 05-17-2010 05:39 PM
Oh...way to go Ann! LOL :D:D:D

I do not understand why the YTCA site can't be listed...aren't they Yorkies too? This would help someone looking for information to see the entire picture about Yorkies and these variety breeds.

JeanieK 05-17-2010 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Ladymom (Post 3131986)
Unless you are saying that Parti Yorkies are not even Yorkshire Terriers, of course the YTCA is the "big kahuna" club. :)

I think you are misinterpreting the term "recognize" as used by the YTCA. They aren't saying that Parti's don't exist, just that they are not recognized as defined by Merriam-Webster:

Main Entry: rec·og·nize
Pronunciation: ˈre-kig-ˌnīz, -kəg-
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): rec·og·nized; rec·og·niz·ing
Etymology: modification of Anglo-French reconois-, stem of reconoistre, from Latin recognoscere, from re- + cognoscere to know — more at cognition
Date: circa 1532

1 : to acknowledge formally

2: to admit as being of a particular status



Recognize - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
I think this type of post is very condescending. I'm sure she knows the meaning of the word recognize.

JeanieK 05-17-2010 05:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kpstoybox (Post 3132005)
I never said that only parti breeders should be able to comment. Let's stip up the pot even more. LOL

And no..Misty didn't put any links. But I did..but only ones that truly should be there. And the concenus was to join the two posts.

You still haven't answered why the YTCA should be linked in a thread concerning two dogs it does not reconize nor parent. This thread was not about the politics of breeding the parti yorkie. But you have been allowed to take it that way...as usual.
The CYTC should deinitely be listed. It is the ORIGINAL Parti yorkshire terrier club. The other one is a spin off started by one of the CYTCs original members.

Ladymom 05-17-2010 05:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by puppylove11 (Post 3131989)
First off I agree 110% with kpstoysbox! Secondly the ytca has nothing to do with the biewer breed to begin with and they voted the DQ for color because of the parti yorkie. You want a link to the ytca to discredit the parti yorkie and the breeders of the parti yorkie. Plain and simple akc recongizes the parti yorkie!

Nancy1999 you can preach all you want concerning how wonderful and reputable the ytca is and the members of the ytca. I will listen when you have proof of all the ytca members breeding to the standard and not selling yorkshire terrier who do not meet the standard and have health issues with full breeding rights.
This is just so confusing. The AKC is a breed registry, not a breed club. They don't "recognize" parti's, they just allow them to be registered as they do other Yorkies who have faults, no matter what those faults are.

It's important to keep in mind that the AKC registers parti's as Yorkshire Terriers. Given that, I can't see how you can argue that parti's are not affiliated with the YTCA. :confused::confused:

As long as the YTCA is the official breed club for Yorkies and sets the standard, links to their website regarding parti Yorkies must be included in an educational sticky pinned in the Library.


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