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Wylie's Mom 05-17-2010 03:32 PM
I'm liking it, Nancy :), thanks! Others okay with it too?

kpstoybox 05-17-2010 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3131848)
How about this, I changed Misty's words slightly and took out the "not in the UK," and added the links people suggested and renamed them, as well as adding my favorite link! Does everyone think this is fair?



The following links have more information:

Yorkshire Terrier Club of America (YTCA)

Biewer Breed Club of America Inc. BBCA

Biewer Yorkshire Terrier National Club (BYTNC)

The Parti Yorkshire Terrier Club (PYTC)

Colorful Yorkshire Terrier Club (CYTC)
What does the YTCA have to do with either the parti or the biewer? It should not even be listed as one of the links. This thread was entitled.."difference's between the Biewer and the parti" and has NOTHING what so ever to do with the YTCA.

Breny 05-17-2010 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 3131851)
I'm liking it, Nancy :), thanks! Others okay with it too?
kpstoybox made a valid point. I think we should wait for more to chime in before its decided.

BamaFan121s 05-17-2010 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 3131851)
I'm liking it, Nancy :), thanks! Others okay with it too?
Fine by me. Use (or don't use) anything I posted to your discretion Anne.
Also, I personal don't have an objection with the YTCA link being there either. Both Partis and Biewers did originate from standard Yorkies, and they are the parent club, whether you agree with them or not. People just learning about these dogs may be interested to read ALL points of view, not just the ones we agree with. :)

Breezeaway 05-17-2010 03:43 PM
The YTCA wants nothing to do with the Parti Yorkshire Terrier and states so on their website so I feel we should not add a link to them concerning the Partis or the Biewers

kpstoybox 05-17-2010 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 3131228)
So...this question gets asked allllllll the time and I'd like place something short and easy to read, such as what you all said above, in The Library - so it's always there.

I'm almost afraid to ask (you know how these threads can go...)...but...which one of these would be the best one to use? Or, a combo? There are pieces in each explanation which I think are helpful and educational....but this is not my expertise, experts :).

I'd like it to just be 1 post...which is why I don't want to move this thread up to the Library.
Had I known when I posted earlier that I would be in a contest...maybe I would have been more "concise". ;)

Misty's post in fine. However, I would like only facts be listed. She stated that "There is no standard set for them (the parti) that allows for the non-standard coloring".

This is not true. The Parti does indeed have a standard that was recently accepted by the same venue that accepted the Biewer standard.
I also have a BIG problem with linking the YTCA in a post concerning the differences between the parti and the Biewer. What would be the purpose of this?

kpstoybox 05-17-2010 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Pinehaven (Post 3131585)
The reason that most Biewers have a consistent spotting pattern is do to the fact that the gene responsible for their white markings is called the Irish Spotting gene. Characteristics of this gene are white legs, chests, neck, under body and tip of tail. White markings don't cross over the back between the shoulder and tail.

Parti's white markings on the other hand, are caused by the piebald gene and extreme white piebald gene. There is no consistent pattern with these spotting genes, it's very random. Extreme white's normally have some dark markings on head and near the tail with minimal markings on body, some extreme white piebalds are almost solid white.

Another source for learning about Parti's is this website:

CYTC...Party Color
But is it really consistent?
In my personal experience and from what I have seen by the countless litters of online breeders...Biewer litters... for the most part...do not follow a consistent pattern. The Irish spotting gene is just one of the patterns associated with the piebald gene. It produces the dark color over the back and down the legs...especially the back legs...and sometimes the front.
And yes...this pattern can and does occur in Biewer's. But it does not consistently throw itself...even from parents that both carry those markings. Here is a great link that explains why. White spotting on Cardigans, Collies, and other herding dogs Ruffly Speaking: Railing against idiocy since 2004

I bred two Biewers (one that I would consider nicely show marked and the other heavy Irish spotted marked)...and got a puppy that was just about all white on her body. Yes..they eventually produced a few puppies with markings like they carried themselves. But they produced more "whiter" puppies as well.

kpstoybox 05-17-2010 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 3131866)
Fine by me. Use (or don't use) anything I posted to your discretion Anne.
Also, I personal don't have an objection with the YTCA link being there either. Both Partis and Biewers did originate from standard Yorkies, and they are the parent club, whether you agree with them or not. People just learning about these dogs may be interested to read ALL points of view, not just the ones we agree with. :)
Of course you don't! ;)

The YTCA is NOT the parent club of either dog and has NO relevance to this thread. How can they be the parent club to a variety they say doesn't exist?

Nancy1999 05-17-2010 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by kpstoybox (Post 3131854)
What does the YTCA have to do with either the parti or the biewer? It should not even be listed as one of the links. This thread was entitled.."difference's between the Biewer and the parti" and has NOTHING what so ever to do with the YTCA.
I've listed your personal clubs, you can say anything you want on your websites and no one will argue with you. The YTCA is the breed club for the Yorkshire Terrier, and what they have to say is just as valid, if not more so, than individual breeders. After all, they do set the standard, and protect the breed, and a person should at least be informed of their viewpoint on the parti color. That was always the problem with the threads; no one ever wanted both sides of the argument. Let people decide for themselves, but after they understand both sides of the issue.

Ladymom 05-17-2010 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3131888)
I've listed your personal clubs, you can say anything you want on your websites and no one will argue with you. The YTCA is the breed club for the Yorkshire Terrier, and what they have to say is just as valid, if not more so, than individual breeders. After all, they do set the standard, and protect the breed, and a person should at least be informed of their viewpoint on the parti color. That was always the problem with the threads; no one ever wanted both sides of the argument. Let people decide for themselves, but after they understand both sides of the issue.

Good post! :thumbup:

The YTCA sets the standard for the breed and cannot be excluded from information on parti Yorkies. The links are being collected so they can be pinned for educational purposes. All relevant information must be included.

BamaFan121s 05-17-2010 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by kpstoybox (Post 3131872)
Misty's post in fine. However, I would like only facts be listed. She stated that "There is no standard set for them (the parti) that allows for the non-standard coloring".
This is not true. The Parti does indeed have a standard that was recently accepted by the same venue that accepted the Biewer standard.
Ah, I didn't even think about the fact that they would have to have one recognized by those venues now that they are being shown there. I guess it would have been more accurate to say that neither Partis nor Biewers have a standard recognized by the AKC, since that seems to be the preferred registry for most.

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Originally Posted by Ladymom (Post 3131900)
The YTCA sets the standard for the breed and cannot be excluded from information on parti Yorkies. The links are being collected so they can be pinned for educational purposes. All relevant information must be included.
Agreed. They may not be the parent club for Partis or Biewers, but they are still the parent breed club for YTs, which is essentially what these dogs are, right? IMO, their view on the subject should be offered as well. Again, IMO, ALL sides and opinions should be offered for people to read for themselves, not just the ones we agree with.

Wylie's Mom 05-17-2010 04:17 PM
I wonder if this is the point where I should be scared I asked...or if that actually comes later....? :p

kpstoybox 05-17-2010 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3131888)
I've listed your personal clubs, you can say anything you want on your websites and no one will argue with you. The YTCA is the breed club for the Yorkshire Terrier, and what they have to say is just as valid, if not more so, than individual breeders. After all, they do set the standard, and protect the breed, and a person should at least be informed of their viewpoint on the parti color. That was always the problem with the threads; no one ever wanted both sides of the argument. Let people decide for themselves, but after they understand both sides of the issue.
And once again..what does this have to do with the topic of this thread? The YTCA claims the parti doesn't exist. That is no big secret on this board. Why do some here feel the need to ruin every thread concerning the parti? :confused:.

If the YTCA link is allowed to remain..then I vote we also link to Poodle Club of America? They hate parti's too!! :thumbup:

kpstoybox 05-17-2010 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 3131902)
Ah, I didn't even think about the fact that they would have to have one recognized by those venues now that they are being shown there. I guess it would have been more accurate to say that neither Partis nor Biewers have a standard recognized by the AKC, since that seems to be the preferred registry for most.



Agreed. They may not be the parent club for Partis or Biewers, but they are still the parent breed club for YTs, which is essentially what these dogs are, right? IMO, their view on the subject should be offered as well. Again, IMO, ALL sides and opinions should be offered for people to read for themselves, not just the ones we agree with.
But the op's post didn't ask for the YTCA's view. What revelance does the YTCA's view on the parti have to do with the "differences between the parti and the Biewer"? It is not a parent club to neither breed and has no place in a sticky that is "supposedly" placed to help those who will one day ask the very same question the OP asked today. I can find a few link's against the YTCA...can we post those too? No...because they would have nothing to do with the topic at hand.

BamaFan121s 05-17-2010 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 3131912)
I wonder if this is the point where I should be scared I asked...or if that actually comes later....? :p
Ugh, probably! :p I think it's a good idea to have a short, informative sticky with information from ALL viewpoints of the story since so many come here asking the question. (Not just this OP, but for everyone.) But alas, I forgot there were only a select few allowed to have an OPINION on the matter. :rolleyes:

Whatever. Use, or don't use what you want that I posted Anne, and good luck trying to weed through the rest and appease everyone. :)


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