Why doesn't this country get more DOG FRIENDLY???

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie

what about people that cannot have children and to them their dogs are the only living thing close enough to be their children. should they not be able to enjoy life and/or vacations because they can't bring the only living thing that they enjoy and consider theirs to nurture and care for?

Um....yeah.... So the rest of society should be forceed to enjoy their life/vacations less to accomodate you?

[yorkie_mama22]

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie

what about people that cannot have children and to them their dogs are the only living thing close enough to be their children. should they not be able to enjoy life and/or vacations because they can't bring the only living thing that they enjoy and consider theirs to nurture and care for?

There is vacation places that allow pets. You can find pet friendly hotels and whatever else you may need.


I might offend people here who can't or don't have children but I will go ahead and say it any way. I find it very unhealthy if a person has a state of mind that they believe their dog is their child. A dog is a dog. A child is a child. I would assume someone had a mental disorder if they would "replace" a dog as a child. It sounds crazy to me. Some people go over board but whatever you do with your time and money is your own problem not mine. I just think people may need to seek some counseling if that is how they are feeling about their pet.

Like I said I call my dogs my babies and I spoil them too. I do know the difference between the two and I don't compare my daughter to Lola. It's two different worlds. Its a human and an animal. Raising them may have similar stages.

[RachelandSadie]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Wow! I don't think you should have to either. I'm kind of shocked: that it's not prohibited in more places where you are. It's mostly off limits everywhere here--within X number of feet from entrances to any public buildings, only in the bar section of restaurants...

Here it's banned in KCMO, and it's FINALLY banned in Liberty where i live YAY i totally voted for it. it made my inlaws so mad when their bar got banned for smoking but i'm like yes, i can finally eat a bar burger without a mouthful of smoke.

i am super duper allergic to cigarette smoke, so i guess having to deal with that and wanting so much to be rid of all smoking in public (even doorways) i should be more understanding of people with dander allergies shouldn't I ??

ok you got me, or i got myself or something like that. it's a pain in the butt to deal with something you can't change like a severe allergy and yet be forced to live with it all the time because others want their rights to do what they want.

so the winning answer is....pets shouldn't be allowed in all public places that everyone else goes BECAUSE...allergies suck and it's just not fair to the people that have them and can't help it

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[yorkie_mama22]

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie

Here it's banned in KCMO, and it's FINALLY banned in Liberty where i live YAY i totally voted for it. it made my inlaws so mad when their bar got banned for smoking but i'm like yes, i can finally eat a bar burger without a mouthful of smoke.

i am super duper allergic to cigarette smoke, so i guess having to deal with that and wanting so much to be rid of all smoking in public (even doorways) i should be more understanding of people with dander allergies shouldn't I ??

ok you got me, or i got myself or something like that. it's a pain in the butt to deal with something you can't change like a severe allergy and yet be forced to live with it all the time because others want their rights to do what they want.

so the winning answer is....pets shouldn't be allowed in all public places that everyone else goes BECAUSE...allergies suck and it's just not fair to the people that have them and can't help it

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That is really unfortunate about the smoking. Here where I live no smoking in ANY public areas and a certain area around entrances and so on. In the towns around where I live they want to make it illegal to smoke anywhere but your own property. I could care less because I don't smoke.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie

ok you got me, or i got myself or something like that. it's a pain in the butt to deal with something you can't change like a severe allergy and yet be forced to live with it all the time because others want their rights to do what they want.

so the winning answer is....pets shouldn't be allowed in all public places that everyone else goes BECAUSE...allergies suck and it's just not fair to the people that have them and can't help it

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I quit. Let's call it a draw.

[RachelandSadie]

Originally Posted by yorkie_mama22

There is vacation places that allow pets. You can find pet friendly hotels and whatever else you may need.


I might offend people here who can't or don't have children but I will go ahead and say it any way. I find it very unhealthy if a person has a state of mind that they believe their dog is their child. A dog is a dog. A child is a child. I would assume someone had a mental disorder if they would "replace" a dog as a child. It sounds crazy to me. Some people go over board but whatever you do with your time and money is your own problem not mine. I just think people may need to seek some counseling if that is how they are feeling about their pet.

Like I said I call my dogs my babies and I spoil them too. I do know the difference between the two and I don't compare my daughter to Lola. It's two different worlds. Its a human and an animal. Raising them may have similar stages.

I don't personally view Sadie to the extent of an actual human baby, but pretty darn close and only because i don't have the experience of loving a human baby of my own to compare the love i have for Sadie too. someday if we are able to have children, i hope to know the love you have for your daughter and understand it a bit more but for now, Sadie's just about the most important thing to me and the closest thing i have to compare to loving a child.

[sarahheartmaddy]

I too, am allergic to cigarette smoke, but I understand its peoples right to smoke. Thankfully, here in FL, it is prohibited inside. But, allergies are not the only thing. The problem is that kids and dogs are not one and the same. I call Maddy my baby, but she is not a human child. And adjusting society to accommodate dog lovers is not realistic.

[yorkie_mama22]

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie

I don't personally view Sadie to the extent of an actual human baby, but pretty darn close and only because i don't have the experience of loving a human baby of my own to compare the love i have for Sadie too. someday if we are able to have children, i hope to know the love you have for your daughter and understand it a bit more but for now, Sadie's just about the most important thing to me and the closest thing i have to compare to loving a child.

yeah I understand what you are saying. I guess I don't see your side because I wasn't lucky enough to have a yorkie before a baby . But yes once you have a skin baby you will just know that there is a different LOVE for them and I just get a tad bit over worked when I see it compared. Because to me, the love for your child is just uncomparable to anything in life.

I love my daughter very much thank you for noticing.



I agree on a draw. now lets have some wine and make up?

[RachelandSadie]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

I quit. Let's call it a draw.

haha totally fine with me :P thank you so much for debating and your opinions, i do value them very much

[RachelandSadie]

Originally Posted by yorkie_mama22

yeah I understand what you are saying. I guess I don't see your side because I wasn't lucky enough to have a yorkie before a baby . But yes once you have a skin baby you will just know that there is a different LOVE for them and I just get a tad bit over worked when I see it compared. Because to me, the love for your child is just uncomparable to anything in life.

I love my daughter very much thank you for noticing.



I agree on a draw. now lets have some wine and make up?

so long as it's a nice sweet and bubbly wine for me

and i can't wait for the day to experience such wonderful feelings!

I hope we are blessed and lucky enough to do so. i have some health complications that i'm nervous about trying, but when we're ready we'll just let God do His work and hopefully everything will go smoothly and great. We may already have a few names picked out for the day to come

[Ladymom]

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie

and to wrap up this whole thread...i wouldn't trade a minute of the frustration and the rearranging of my plans for Sadie. she's worth it all, and i guess maybe that's what got me mad enough to post this thread. my own parents don't get it, and it's very upsetting at times. they had a beautiful dog, but she was never in the house, always in an outside kennel. and a neighbor fed her when they were on vacation. they don't understand the depth of love for an inside "small" dog and they don't understand the costs and the scaryness of boarding a small dog that's more like a member of family than a dog.

I think that's it in a nutshell. You were brought up with an outdoor dog that was never a companion. You have now jumped headfirst into the world of little dogs who we never want to be apart from! We can all relate.

I don't board Lady, but pay twice as much for pet sitters. I double back home all the time so she can go to the few stores she is allowed. I don't go out at night very often because Lady is diabetic and needs insulin shots twice a day at the same time every day .... for almost 8 years.

Being a pet owner is inconvenient and expensive. You haven't even gotten to the expensive part yet since Sadie is so young.

But they are so worth it.

[capt_noonie]

I like to poke meat in cellophane. I poke weird stuff like lamb fries bc it's funny (too me). But I'm clean and without snot, I swear!

Some kids today at the fabric store were climbing on the cut table. Boy did I roll my eyes. I am allergic to annoying happy kids.

You can't smoke indoors in CA, not in bars or clubs, esp not restaurants. Oh well I don't smoke anymore.

I don't bring Uni into places with me where she is not allowed to walk on the floor bc she would just cry and whine. But I admit I did try before.

What am I saying? I dunno, I'm on my 2nd drink and this was a long thread.

[QuickSilver]

Heh. I think you summed it up pretty well. Have one on me.

[capt_noonie]

I think I've had enough for many. heh heh.

[MommysBabyRoxy]

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie

I don't personally view Sadie to the extent of an actual human baby, but pretty darn close and only because i don't have the experience of loving a human baby of my own to compare the love i have for Sadie too. someday if we are able to have children, i hope to know the love you have for your daughter and understand it a bit more but for now, Sadie's just about the most important thing to me and the closest thing i have to compare to loving a child.

Your post made me cry... Just wanted to let you know that.

I think we all handled ourselves very well in this conversation, especially appreciating other ppls opinions and understanding and just agreeing to disagree... that being said.

I just wanted to let everybody know why I probably feel the way I do.

Ever since I realized I could have children when I was little, I knew I wanted to be a mother... I was pregnant when I was 19 to a guy who was bad for me, and he caused my miscarriage... I wont put it any deeper than that. I was only a little over 2 mo.

When I met Rob after I had broke up with the guy who caused the problem, he was so wonderful to me, but he wasnt ready for kids after 2 years and he also has a "problem" and to tell you the truth, I am not sure if I can even have children, because its not like I havent tried since.

I figured I would get a little dog instead... and after searching for a "Roxy" for almost a year, I finally found her.

So, the fact that I only know the bond with me and Roxy and how I feel for her and take care of her, and how the bond is growing so quickly for Lexi... I guess I feel like a person who adopted a child.

Yes, you dont have that feeling I guess like you do if youre actually carrying the child and feeling it grow inside you... but I do feel like I adopted them, brought them in, and I now take full responsibility for them and love them just like I would a child (since I dont actually have a child to compare the love to).

Bottom line is... the only ppl I know have betrayed me, besides Rob... but none of them are here for me whenever I cry in private, or whenever I need someone to listen. Roxy and Lexi are always here and always know when I am crying, and theyre always right beside me, listening, and giving me puppy kisses.

I hear parents all the time say if something happened to their children, theyd be devastated... and truly, thats how I feel about even just if I think about something happening to Roxy... I feel like I will be heartbroken... I am not even sure I will be able to deal, and trust me... I know thats not a good thing.

The fact is, I love them... deeply. I treasure them, take videos of them, keep them warm when theyre cold, hold them when theyre sick, take them to the doctor when they dont feel better, and even have scrapbooks of them... they might not be human babies... but I am definitely their mommy.

Now I am crying.
lol, I get emotional over my babies... and obviously, it makes me type long posts...