Tail docking

[jackson25]

I disagree, but value your opinion

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by yorkie mad

lol ok nancy I hope she wasn't upset by my opinion , i wasn't about hers.im interested in hearing both views although I don't think the op is on line now.

No hon I wasn't upset at your opinion it was the OP that has started it in another thread so this thread is a continuation of what she had deleted in the other one
I was actually referring that I need to hold back on my fingers at the OP LOL

[kristy47]

Sophie's tail was docked and I think it is adorable. But I think the full tails are adorable, too. If I were a breeder, I would most likely dock the tails to the breed standard for the Yorkies here in the US. I see your point, but I don't think it is detrimental to the pup to dock the tail. Thanks for letting me respectfully somewhat disagree!

[yorkie mad]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

No hon I wasn't upset at your opinion it was the OP that has started it in another thread so this thread is a continuation of what she had deleted in the other one
I was actually referring that I need to hold back on my fingers at the OP LOL

lol just noticed the other thread by the op! trying to get a reaction I think and I walked right into that one

[Cares4Dogs]

Originally Posted by yorkie mad

I see you mentioned barely whimper, but whimper they do correct?

They also whimper when they are hungry, scared, get scolded or dont get what they want when they want it, when they want to cuddle, get nail clippings, or getting fur plucked from their ears, but its got to be done. I'm not convinced ear fur plucking doesnt hurt.

I like my yorkies tails docked.....especially for sanitary reasons. Think about how much garbage they could pick up on their tail fur when they are out and about if they were in medium to full length coat.

It definately should be done by someone qualified and trained to do it in the most pain-free manner possible.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by yorkie mad

lol ok nancy I hope she wasn't upset by my opinion , i wasn't about hers.im interested in hearing both views although I don't think the op is on line now.

No I don't think anyone is upset about your opinion, and you are always respectful of others opinions. I think people like you will change more minds than those who call us barbaric and inhumane. It upset me to be called these names including a "FREAK" just because I don't see anything that is that wrong with the practice. I'm so upset that we put millions of dogs to sleep each year, and breeders are breeding unhealthy dogs that will have to go through so much pain in their lives, and puppy millers and others are raising dogs in completely inhumane conditions, and yet people make such a big deal out of tail cropping. It just seems like the focus should be elsewhere.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by yorkie mad

lol just noticed the other thread by the op! trying to get a reaction I think and I walked right into that one

Sometimes that happens unfortunately. I know some have very strong opinions on certain things but when it's done in a way that we know it's not going to do damage to these sweet babies it wouldn't be done. Again, like I said I value my yorkies more than most humans

Donna

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by nancy1999

no i don't think anyone is upset about your opinion, and you are always respectful of others opinions. I think people like you will change more minds than those who call us barbaric and inhumane. It upset me to be called these names including a "freak" just because i don't see anything that is that wrong with the practice. I'm so upset that we put millions of dogs to sleep each year, and breeders are breeding unhealthy dogs that will have to go through so much pain in their lives, and puppy millers and others are raising dogs in completely inhumane conditions, and yet people make such a big deal out of tail cropping. It just seems like the focus should be elsewhere.

amen amen amen!!!!!!!!!

[yorkie mad]

Originally Posted by Cares4Dogs

They also whimper when they are hungry, scared, get scolded or dont get what they want when they want it, when they want to cuddle, get nail clippings, or getting fur plucked from their ears, but its got to be done. I'm not convinced ear fur plucking doesnt hurt.



I like my yorkies tails docked.....especially for sanitary reasons. Think about how much garbage they could pick up on their tail fur when they are out and about if they were in medium to full length coat.

It definately should be done by someone qualified and trained to do it in the most pain-free manner possible.

I agree with most of your points especially nail clipping lol.I guess because its banned here in the UK it must mean something although Im willing to learn otherwise.

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

No I don't think anyone is upset about your opinion, and you are always respectful of others opinions. I think people like you will change more minds than those who call us barbaric and inhumane. It upset me to be called these names including a "FREAK" just because I don't see anything that is that wrong with the practice. I'm so upset that we put millions of dogs to sleep each year, and breeders are breeding unhealthy dogs that will have to go through so much pain in their lives, and puppy millers and others are raising dogs in completely inhumane conditions, and yet people make such a big deal out of tail cropping. It just seems like the focus should be elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by Brooklynn

Sometimes that happens unfortunately. I know some have very strong opinions on certain things but when it's done in a way that we know it's not going to do damage to these sweet babies it wouldn't be done. Again, like I said I value my yorkies more than most humans

Donna

Yep and thats why I love this site. We are all dog lovers and none of us would do harm to our babies which is why I like to hear both sides. I think you guys are going to convert me lol

[GnIndy]

I agree with you, friscomom; the practice of tail docking is unnecessary. Who are humans to decide which breeds of dogs get to keep their tails?

Puppies born with tails should not get them cut off.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by yorkie mad

I agree with most of your points especially nail clipping lol.I guess because its banned here in the UK it must mean something although Im willing to learn otherwise.



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Yep and thats why I love this site. We are all dog lovers and none of us would do harm to our babies which is why I like to hear both sides. I think you guys are going to convert me lol

Sometimes I wonder why it was banned in England too. I did a little checking into the history, and a animal rights group came out with a booklet that showed many pictures of dogs whose tails really had been mutilated. In some cases the tails looked like they had been cut off further than the rump. It was disgusting to see a whole litter of pups with these mutilations. People were out-raged, and the laws were passed. I'm not sure where they got the pictures, and I really hope no one did this purposely so that people would be outraged, some people do believe that the end justifies the means. Sometimes, I believe that certain groups would like to get rid of show breeders.

I think it's up to all of us to protect the better breeders including show breeders. Backyard breeders and puppy millers, probably would like to see docking outlawed, it's just a big inconvenience, and can cost them money. However, show breeders are like artists, and have been developing an eye for the breed, and opinions on what they see as perfection. Is it wrong for them to create visual perfection? I don't think so, as long as they aren't sacrificing health to do so. Now people tell them what they are doing is wrong and the standard needs to be changed. It's almost as if some people just want to see the whole showing thing stopped. Some are against purebreds, (I use to be one of those, I had only heard one side of the story), and some seem to be against humans owning pets of any kind. I've read so many breeders say that if done properly and at the right time, pups hardly notice at all, and because these are people who seem to genuinely love the breed, I believe what they are saying is true.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Sometimes I wonder why it was banned in England too. I did a little checking into the history, and a animal rights group came out with a booklet that showed many pictures of dogs whose tails really had been mutilated. In some cases the tails looked like they had been cut off further than the rump. It was disgusting to see a whole litter of pups with these mutilations. People were out-raged, and the laws were passed. I'm not sure where they got the pictures, and I really hope no one did this purposely so that people would be outraged, some people do believe that the end justifies the means. Sometimes, I believe that certain groups would like to get rid of show breeders.

I think it's up to all of us to protect the better breeders including show breeders. Backyard breeders and puppy millers, probably would like to see docking outlawed, it's just a big inconvenience, and can cost them money. However, show breeders are like artists, and have been developing an eye for the breed, and opinions on what they see as perfection. Is it wrong for them to create visual perfection? I don't think so, as long as they aren't sacrificing health to do so. Now people tell them what they are doing is wrong and the standard needs to be changed. It's almost as if some people just want to see the whole showing thing stopped. Some are against purebreds, (I use to be one of those, I had only heard one side of the story), and some seem to be against humans owning pets of any kind. I've read so many breeders say that if done properly and at the right time, pups hardly notice at all, and because these are people who seem to genuinely love the breed, I believe what they are saying is true.

I couldn't have said it better myself and it's people like you that do have an open mind and know it's for the welfare of the animal themselves and that is what it's suppose to be about! If done correctly and with health being of the utmost importance it can be done!

Thank YOU for being one of those people that I know genuinely love this breed along with those of us that try and practice what we preach and educate! You are to be applauded!

Donna

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by GnIndy

I agree with you, friscomom; the practice of tail docking is unnecessary. Who are humans to decide which breeds of dogs get to keep their tails?

Puppies born with tails should not get them cut off.

Baby boys with skin around their penis shouldn't be cut off either right?

[yorkie mad]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Sometimes I wonder why it was banned in England too. I did a little checking into the history, and a animal rights group came out with a booklet that showed many pictures of dogs whose tails really had been mutilated. In some cases the tails looked like they had been cut off further than the rump. It was disgusting to see a whole litter of pups with these mutilations. People were out-raged, and the laws were passed. I'm not sure where they got the pictures, and I really hope no one did this purposely so that people would be outraged, some people do believe that the end justifies the means. Sometimes, I believe that certain groups would like to get rid of show breeders.

I think it's up to all of us to protect the better breeders including show breeders. Backyard breeders and puppy millers, probably would like to see docking outlawed, it's just a big inconvenience, and can cost them money. However, show breeders are like artists, and have been developing an eye for the breed, and opinions on what they see as perfection. Is it wrong for them to create visual perfection? I don't think so, as long as they aren't sacrificing health to do so. Now people tell them what they are doing is wrong and the standard needs to be changed. It's almost as if some people just want to see the whole showing thing stopped. Some are against purebreds, (I use to be one of those, I had only heard one side of the story), and some seem to be against humans owning pets of any kind. I've read so many breeders say that if done properly and at the right time, pups hardly notice at all, and because these are people who seem to genuinely love the breed, I believe what they are saying is true.

Thanks for researching Nancy, I think its you Ive learnt the most from in a year on here x

[TwoforFun]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

but so do baby human boys when they get circumsized and infant girls get their ears pierced but it's over with in a few minutes no harm done. I've seen it done many times and I've never had them whimper but for a few minutes just like a human baby boy getting circumsized...
OY VEY....some just want to make mountains out of mole hills and I love my babies more than I do humans so in my opinion well.... oh never mind I don't want to get suspended or banned

Donna

Exactly my thoughts, if it was up to me my girl would have kept her tail. I do have boy's who I choose not to circumsized. I have worked as a surgical tech and babies just don't whimper. I do believe it's a choice and I woud not judge those that have or will keep doing it. As long as it's done correctly and in a safe sanitary (hopefully sterile) manner it should be ok. It's just my opinion and I'm aware everyone is able to decide as long as there well inform and prepare for, say infections.