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Old 12-15-2009, 11:01 PM   #1
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Ok, here goes (I will try to keep it short and to the point) I really need to know what is the difference between a "good hobby breeder" (myself just starting) and a breeder that "shows their dogs"??? I think both can be great, but people put me down for not "showing my dogs"
This is my opinion on the subject due to what I see a lot of people saying and telling me on here; I feel that a lot of the breeders that "show dogs" are putting other breeders down What I have seen is that these breeders always say that they are breeding to "improve". But I see that they are lucky to get one (1) good show quality pup out of every few litters. To me that means they are selling the "leftovers" at very high prices.??? How does that make them any better then anybody else?

I have researched for few years before I started breeding and my main thing is to have a HEALTHY moms/dads and puppies that people can enjoy as much as I enjoy my furbabies. (that also are within standard) I will give more details if you ask. Few basics are that I started breeding when I felt the time was right. Skin kids older now, I have the finances, I am able to work from home- so I am home most all the time, Lots of research just a few reasons. Also I have had all the proper testing done for my dogs that will be used for breeding. They are all my pets also. They live in my home as my family with the rest of us and are underfoot, they even sleep in bed with us (it is a bed full but I could not see it any other way)

Please don't bash me. I have been waiting before I become a donating member because of the bashing on here. I think most of the people her are GREAT- so please don't be offended or understand me in the wrong way. I have and always will support "rescue groups"

I guess the question is Why should "good hobby breeders" be treated so different then a breeder that "shows their dogs"?

I am sorry I could not sleep without venting this. And as always I do welcome any advice or tips.
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I am not a breeder or a shower. I have learned a LOT from YT. I believe the breeder/showers show b/c they want "proof" their breeding stock is within standard. They show to get those ribbons saying what they are doing in their breeding program is to the standard of the breed. Breeders should be breeding to better the breed.

Breeders show their dogs to get approval of their breeding stock. If you breed but do not show, who is to tell you you are breeding to standard? Maybe you are breeding to the public's demands such as "teacups", "baby doll faces", "cobby bodies/legs", etc.

Also, show breeders do not sell their "leftovers" for high prices, in fact I have found that byb and millers sell their pups for equal or more than what showers/exhibitors would sell their pups for. the majority of the population do not know showers/exhibitors are accessible to them.

Sorry if I don't make 100% sense, I am tired.
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Ok here goes... this is only my opinion no bashing, nothing personal to anyone

I feel like most show breeders are hobby breeders, it is their passion, most are not making a living off of the backs of their dogs, there for, it is also a hobby. All breeders, show or otherwise imo should be breeding to better the breed. If you are not trying to improve upon the yorkie then why would you be producing more?

A good breeder knows that not every dog is meant to be bred. I feel like showing conformation gives an avenue to get approval, to breed the yorkies in your line or that you have obtained. There is also the sport of it and numerous other reasons that people choose to show dogs but I think that this is a big part of it.

There are alot of puppies out there that are being churned out to fill the pet market. With no though to quality or health, then they are placed in any kind of home, agian with no though to how that home will suit the puppy. We all know this too well and are seeing the results it.

This taken into consideration, even if you have very nice dogs, if you are only breeding them to produce more puppies to sell to the pet market I just feel like this isn't a good enough reason. I have no problem with a good, ethical breeder who doesn't show, but who's focus is to improve the breed. Someone who has taken into consideratin health, attitude, and conformation. They are still a good breeder.
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I agree that I have seen just as high, if not higher prices from byb and petstores as I have good show breeders. These show breeders will not sell there dogs to just anyone.

I want to add that the "hobby" breeder that I got Copper from is still breeding the parents that produced him, and he has a liver problem. She also knows very little about the health issues of the yorkie. She loves her dogs very much and they are very cute, but they should not be bred. You can see this same or similar story all over yt where people were breeding because they enjoy it and other people bought their heartbreak.
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I am not a breeder or a shower. I have learned a LOT from YT. I believe the breeder/showers show b/c they want "proof" their breeding stock is within standard. They show to get those ribbons saying what they are doing in their breeding program is to the standard of the breed. Breeders should be breeding to better the breed.

Breeders show their dogs to get approval of their breeding stock. If you breed but do not show, who is to tell you you are breeding to standard? Maybe you are breeding to the public's demands such as "teacups", "baby doll faces", "cobby bodies/legs", etc.

Also, show breeders do not sell their "leftovers" for high prices, in fact I have found that byb and millers sell their pups for equal or more than what showers/exhibitors would sell their pups for. the majority of the population do not know showers/exhibitors are accessible to them.

Sorry if I don't make 100% sense, I am tired.

Here is a quote on here from a breeder that shows (keeping long enough to see if it will be "show quality"
haha now why would you think I am keeping both? lol.... maybe one... we will see how they look. I will keep both long enough to see if one will be show quality...
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Ok, here goes (I will try to keep it short and to the point) I really need to know what is the difference between a "good hobby breeder" (myself just starting) and a breeder that "shows their dogs"??? I think both can be great, but people put me down for not "showing my dogs"
This is my opinion on the subject due to what I see a lot of people saying and telling me on here; I feel that a lot of the breeders that "show dogs" are putting other breeders down What I have seen is that these breeders always say that they are breeding to "improve". But I see that they are lucky to get one (1) good show quality pup out of every few litters. To me that means they are selling the "leftovers" at very high prices.??? How does that make them any better then anybody else?

I have researched for few years before I started breeding and my main thing is to have a HEALTHY moms/dads and puppies that people can enjoy as much as I enjoy my furbabies. (that also are within standard) I will give more details if you ask. Few basics are that I started breeding when I felt the time was right. Skin kids older now, I have the finances, I am able to work from home- so I am home most all the time, Lots of research just a few reasons. Also I have had all the proper testing done for my dogs that will be used for breeding. They are all my pets also. They live in my home as my family with the rest of us and are underfoot, they even sleep in bed with us (it is a bed full but I could not see it any other way)

Please don't bash me. I have been waiting before I become a donating member because of the bashing on here. I think most of the people her are GREAT- so please don't be offended or understand me in the wrong way. I have and always will support "rescue groups"

I guess the question is Why should "good hobby breeders" be treated so different then a breeder that "shows their dogs"?

I am sorry I could not sleep without venting this. And as always I do welcome any advice or tips.
Being a Breeder/Exhibitor (the correct term), I'll see if I can explain myself.

1. According to the AKC the reason for showing is to gain approval of your breeding stock. How your dog meets the standard.

However, since conformation is looking at a dog from the outside, how it's put together......it's up to the breeder to breed responsibly and only breeding healthy dogs that are a good representation of the breed.

As a pet owner, prior to exhibiting, I didn't know the difference between a good dog/bad dog....coat texture, color, head carriage, gait, layback, health issues, etc. What exhibiting does is teach you all these things, along with a good mentor. Once I began exhibiting I began looking at a yorkie completely different that I used to. It makes your eye sharper in recognizing faults in a dog. There are other aspects, we attend breeding seminars, whelping seminars, genetics, pour over pedigrees...learn them backwards and forwards; learning every dog in that pedigree, it's offspring, it's siblings, etc

Now the true definition of a hobby breeder is one that did exhibit and no longer does, but still breeds.
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Being a Breeder/Exhibitor (the correct term), I'll see if I can explain myself.

1. According to the AKC the reason for showing is to gain approval of your breeding stock. How your dog meets the standard.

However, since conformation is looking at a dog from the outside, how it's put together......it's up to the breeder to breed responsibly and only breeding healthy dogs that are a good representation of the breed.

As a pet owner, prior to exhibiting, I didn't know the difference between a good dog/bad dog....coat texture, color, head carriage, gait, layback, health issues, etc. What exhibiting does is teach you all these things, along with a good mentor. Once I began exhibiting I began looking at a yorkie completely different that I used to. It makes your eye sharper in recognizing faults in a dog. There are other aspects, we attend breeding seminars, whelping seminars, genetics, pour over pedigrees...learn them backwards and forwards; learning every dog in that pedigree, it's offspring, it's siblings, etc

Now the true definition of a hobby breeder is one that did exhibit and no longer does, but still breeds.
This is usefull information. Thank you
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In addition, breeder exhibitors have put in years of blood, sweat and tears into perfecting their lines........

The other difference is we breed for ourselves first. Our primary reason for breeding is to improve the breed and not to sell puppies......If one goes into the breeding aspect with intention of making money (and I'm not saying that you are), not the best reason to breed. Believe me you can do it if it's done on a high volume. But, as breeder/exhibitors......at the most we breed 2 litters a year.
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