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11-07-2009, 03:40 PM | #1 |
No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kansas City, MO
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| Why don't people CARE???? BYB and Puppy Mills Today saw three more Puppies for Sale along our major highway. This time, I stopped at each one the get the scoop. One was puggles (pug/beagles) all black and beautiful pups. the lady was selling for $100 because her dog got tied with the neighbor dog and these pups were an accident and she was a single mom and couldn't afford them. Not too bad, i can understand that and roadside is her best chance. they were 6 weeks old Next was a blue ribbon kennel memeber (MO's USDA's little boost for people to try and be reputable and better kennels and breeders) she was making people use hand sanitizer to touch the pups, they were AKC dashunds. they were very cute and 300-500 each depending on color, age, ext. she seemed okay to me, and the blue ribbon is a good thing, but still a reputable breeder has waiting lists, they don't sell pup roadside to just any ol' blow joe from the streets. Her pups were 19 weeks and i think about 10-12 weeks as well and she claimed to have 15 females and 5 males at home for breeding!???! and the last was an old man with shi tzuh/bichonse frize pups at ONLY 8 weeks old for 400 and they smelled horrible and were coughing...BYB so i talk to my mom on the phone about this and try to explain that these people are selling roadside, but the buyer is ignorant of what the parents look like and what the facility looks like. these could all be puppy mills with lies and stories, how would anyone know!???! my mom got really quiet on me and tried to get off the phone. she was like why do you bother even going and seeing them then??? and she was like they are desperate for money and trying to sell the best way they can....(background info: we come from a small town where BYB are common) i am so angry that even my own mother doens't want to listen and learn about puppy mills and thinks that it's just ok for people to do this and try to make a living somehow...i mean i understand poor and broke, have been my whole life....but selling pups whose mommies are back home being bred over and over and over in deplorable conditions and then ignorant people buy these pups and never really understand what they have just enabled makes me sick.....i want to start protesting on Sat. at these intercetions and teach people about puppy mills, but how do u do it without making people think ur a crazy protestor!??? I wish people would wake up and listen to me and learn something!!!!! I didn't understand or learn about any of this until after i got Sadie, i got her from a BYB, a nice man sure, but irresponsible and has too many breeding dogs and doesn't really understand how to breed for quality dogs but just breeds for pets and pups. i didn't go see his home and should have and will never buy a pup without seeing the facility again. now that i understand puppy mills, i just want to raise awareness more and more about it and i can't keep my mouth shut any longer about this!! |
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11-07-2009, 03:52 PM | #2 | |
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Not to stir anything up but I remember when you bought Sadie and all the drama on the board with everyone warning you and telling you about puppymills so I don't get how you didn't understand until AFTER Needless to say I do agree with you about the subject and glad you've learned your lesson!! by the way, when will you be sharing new pics of Miss Sadie? | |
11-07-2009, 05:40 PM | #3 | |
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i know it might not make sense to some people, but there are several factors that went into my finally understanding the full affect of puppy mills and BYB. 1. I live in MO, the puppy mill capital of the world this being said, people in MO have puppies for sale all over ALL The time, it's an everyday thing and no one around here really thinks anything of it, when you are used to farmers and farm dogs, you are used to boxes of puppies on the side of the road for sale. dogs run free in the country and they get pregnant and the owners sell the pups or give them away all the time, also, as farming communities, there are quite a few homes that don't think of dogs as such valuable creatures like we do, they think of them as livestock, breeding stock, and money in their pockets. it's terrible, but that's honestly the way it is. i was born and raised in MO in a very small town. i lived a sheltered life and honestly did not know about or hear about puppy mills at all until i was about 17 from the Oprah show. even when i saw that show, i didn't fully understand or realize that those were everywhere in this state and so close to home and so REAL.2. It didn't really hit me to care about this until i got Sadie: As a person who has never owned my own dog in my whole life, I didn't really care about what was going on the the "dog world" until i actually had Sadie in physical form. i had a golden retriever growing up but that was always "dad's hunting dog" and never truly mine. also she was a kennel dog always outside and never a house pet, therefore i never knew the same love that it is like to have one sleep in the same bed as me or live in my living space every day. i loved Ruger (golden) to the core, but it's still not the same, so in saying that, having Sadie after a few days i started to have a passion for her and started to realize how much it would hurt to know that her mother was being tortured into breeding over and over and never saw daylight or grass or had a loving and normal life. when i thought about that it upset me and stirred an anger up in me that people could do such a thing.3: Ceasar Milan's special about puppy mills: Shortly after getting Sadie, i saw this episode and after being older, wiser, and more open and aware of the puppy mill situation, seeing another show about them made it all sink in hard. i realized how real, how close to home, and how awful they are. i saw the sick and wounded mommy dogs and the horrible conditions they lived in, i lost it, bawled the whole way through the episode, and swore that i would not ever support this or go there again and that i would try my best to teach others that will listen about this as well.we in MO don't get it, lots more like me have NO idea because it's just normal to have BYB everywhere around here. no one really understands the full force of puppy mills because they see them as hundreds of caged up dogs in filth...some puppy mills are, but most in MO are just BYB who have 15-20 breeding bitches that are not pets or loved but breeding stock. to the average Missourian that isn't aware of puppy mills or BYB this is quite normal because they are EVERYWHERE. they don't realize that's not reputable or right, they just go with it. the papers are filled for FOR SALE ads for dogs and people don't have the education to go look for a dog anywhere else but the classifieds and the street corners where they are sold. unfortunately on the way to a place like PetSmart in my town you pass three different BYB and their pups and most people never make it into the Pet Smart to find the beautiful rescue waiting for them, also people are into designer dogs and pure breds, most of the dogs in the rescues locally are those farm dogs i was talking about, labs, hounds, ext. they are large, not the most popular breeds and almost always mixed. so naturally stopping at the BYB stand for a "pure bred" toy dog wins out over the rescues. it's a sad world around here, but i hope that makes more sense as to why i didn't get it and where i live.... | |
11-07-2009, 06:08 PM | #4 |
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| I do not know you, or your story. What I do know is people. Most of them would rather sit in their snug homes, with their cozy thoughts, comfortable in their little self-absorbed worlds. Wanting nothing more than to talk about what new trinket they purchased at a supersale. Actually going out to volunteer at a rescue or donate funds to a needy animal organization; well my friend you might as well invest in T-bills. Believe me, the T-bills will show more interest then they will. However, if you have found the courage to take off your veil and look out into the wolves den, (like some here) and are disgusted by the reality of what is actually happening , then I say Fight On my friend! Pay no attention to the sheep at hand. |
11-07-2009, 07:02 PM | #5 | |
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11-07-2009, 07:13 PM | #6 |
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| I've never seen people selling dogs on a road side I don't know what I'd think, that must be something else to see. We do have tons of BYBs though, our Kijiji is full of them. Its very disturbing. I do take the time to send some of them emails, the ones that are really disturbing. For instance a lady yesterday looking for a female teacup yorkie around 3 or 4 lbs for breeding that is 6 weeks old |
11-07-2009, 08:26 PM | #7 |
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| People are always selling dogs on roadsides, in walmart parkinglots, and everything else here. In fact, I saw not too long ago a man selling Shih-tzus and Yorkies out of the back of his truck. I almost stopped just to inspect, and I also started to call DH and tell him we needed to get one just to get it away from someone who'd do that. We don't have a lot of pet stores or textbook puppy mills around my area, but we DO have a LOT of BYB. And like the OP, we also have lots of farm dogs and dogs that run free in the country. In fact, our mutt Milo, that we love just like our inside animals came from a situation where the female and male dog who were already mixed bred and well, there you go. And he's a great dog! In fact, all the dogs I had as a child were the free puppies I found in the paper. They were all great dogs and well taken care of and I did see the parents and the place they were kept most every time, so I don't want to give all of them a hard time. However, when you get down to it with the toy breeds and some other breeds, there is a specific science from what I've learned on here and my own research and those people don't need to do what they are doing. |
11-07-2009, 08:55 PM | #8 |
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| Yes, Rachel, you and I live where mills are a dime a dozen. Our laws are so lax that it is difficult to get mills shut down. I'm always amazed at how few people know what puppy mills are or that dogs shouldn't be bred just for the dollar ignoring genetics.
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11-08-2009, 09:27 AM | #9 |
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| Rachel, You have actually answered your own quesion. when you found YT many, many of us advised you that you were getting a BYB pup and many of us had concerns about health as well as age (saide's). we told you that you would be perpetrating a cycle. you told us how nice the breeder was. You didn't see until you wanted to see. Until enough things (YT, Cesar Milan, etc) made you realize what had been said to you was accurate. Why do you expect more of other people than you do yourself? We told you and YOU didn't listen. You tell others and THEY don't listen....its the same. I am so glad you have come to this new understanding, and there is no zeal like that of the newly converted, but, try and remember where you were just a few short months ago...you were exactly the people you are complaining about...so figure out what might have worked on you and try that... good luck, its a long struggle. I have been doing rescue for years and trying to get people to understand that their actions (like buying a byb puppy or one online...even if it is "just to save that one!" only perpetuates the cycle) and its a long, usually lonely, sad road. But its good that you are trying, every one we put out of business saves hundreds of little sad lives
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11-08-2009, 10:01 AM | #10 |
YT 500 Club Member | I'm afraid its the same over here in England, for years there has been programs warning people the dangers of buying pups from puppy farms and pet store yet they still exist and people still but them because they think they're getting a bargin. The usual excuse is they couldn't be bothered to wait or Show breeders charge too much money. They then complain when the pup dies or they end up paying out a fortune in vets bills. Earlier this year my cousin went to wales to get a Border collie pup, this is well known for puppy farms, but they insisted it couldn't possibly be a puppy farm as he was such a nice man and anyway he only had about 5 or 6 breeds. No course he's not. They've been lucky so far, but who knows what lies in store. Most pups in this country are still bred by people with a pet bitch who puts her to any dog of the same breed. This is how I got Rosie, but been more experienced I knew what to check for, they also put the details of the dogs owner and the grand-parents owners so at least they're trying to give as much info as possible. Alfie came from a breeder who I've used both to but from in the past and who's dogs I've used as studs. I always tell people if your not sure ask some-one more experienced to go with you. |
11-08-2009, 11:46 AM | #11 | |
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I get really frustrated too, and I think it's so hard to convince people that things are really bad, not just uncomfortable for the dogs. People talk to the breeders through emails or on the phone, and "they seem so nice", but the only way we will make a dent in the problems is to try to convince someone to see the breeding conditions in person. Another way to appeal to people is their desire to get a "good looking" dog, and seeing the puppy's mom and dad in person is the best way to ensure you'll be getting a yorkie that's a good representative of the breed, and everyone would like that.
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11-08-2009, 12:00 PM | #12 |
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| Rachel, Maybe a well-written, heartfelt letter to the editor would be a good start. I don't know how many people read the letters to editor in your paper, but here in our small town everyone reads the local paper (to find out who died and got arrested) Maybe talk to someone at the paper to take up your cause and write a small article -just be sure to put it opposite the arrest page. LOL |
11-08-2009, 12:06 PM | #13 | |
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ONLY IN TENNESSEE Kristy, I hear ya!! I am not too far from you, and there is not a week that goes by that I do not see someone with a cage or big box of puppies in the WalMart parking lot. As a matter of fact we have a dog of unknown heritage named Harvey, cause my son brought him home several years ago, and got him in the parking lot of Harvey's Gym. | |
11-08-2009, 12:29 PM | #14 | |
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