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bchgirl 10-27-2009 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2856686)
I had never heard that theory. I suppose it could be true, they were showing up in the Wildwier line as well as the Nikko line, but I'd never heard that they came from the same pair of dogs as the Biewer line.

You misunderstood. It's not the same pair of dogs. Mr. Biewer purchased his two standard yorkshire terriers from a kennel named Streamglen. The breeding that resulted in the first biewer puppies was a pairing of these dogs.

Supposedly other yorkshire terriers from the same kennel were shipped to the US.

JeanieK 10-27-2009 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by 3FurryFaces (Post 2856739)
As an owner of Partis, do you breed parti to Parti or do you breed parti to traditional color?
So far I have only bred parti to traditional colored or to goldens, bc I did not have a parti stud. I now have a parti stud And will be breeding parti to parti in the future.

the little guy in my avatar is my new little stud.

kpstoybox 10-27-2009 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2856636)
The word "fault" was applied to parti yorkies by the YTCA. The coloring of a parti is a color fault. It goes against the standard set by YTCA.

A biewer's coloring is not a fault...it is exactly how the dogs are supposed to be.

The white on both dogs is the result of a the recessive pie bald gene. The color placement on a biewer is another gene entirely. I've read the irish spotting gene...but some argue that also.

I have oftened wondered about the "irish spotting gene". And once thought this gene was in play in the makeup of the Biewers markings.

However, I myself have seen very few irish marked Biewers. One was just born very close to being an Irish marked in a litter a friend had two weeks ago, and even that pup is not a true irish marked as she doesn't have the white neck ring.

Now that the Biewer is getting a following...and is being bred over and over again...we are seeing the color placements getting just as sporadic as those of the parti yorkies. In other words...just as many Biewers today, are being born without the black saddle as those that are born with it.

Parti or "pie bald" pattern is considered any breakage of the black saddle...and most all Biewers have that to one degree or another.

Here is a good link that shows the markings of pie bald and Irish spotting patterns,

bordercolliecolors.white

JeanieK 10-27-2009 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2856746)
You misunderstood. It's not the same pair of dogs. Mr. Biewer purchased his two standard yorkshire terriers from a kennel named Streamglen. The breeding that resulted in the first biewer puppies was a pairing of these dogs.

Supposedly other yorkshire terriers from the same kennel were shipped to the US.
I thought you meant from the same pair of dogs, but even from the same kennel, I had not heard that. Do you know which kennel they were shipped to?

there was one story that some kennel in OK had gotten one from Germany, but there was never any proof of that nor were there any partis being traced to that kennel.

3FurryFaces 10-27-2009 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2856752)
So far I have only bred parti to traditional colored or to goldens, bc I did not have a parti stud. I now have a parti stud And will be breeding parti to parti in the future.

the little guy in my avatar is my new little stud.
Parti to traditional - do you get any parti pups when you do that? If parti is recessive, wouldnt you get only carriers?

bchgirl 10-27-2009 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by kpstoybox (Post 2856760)
I have oftened wondered about the "irish spotting gene". And once thought this gene was in play in the makeup of the Biewers markings.

However, I myself have seen very few irish marked Biewers. One was just born very close to being an Irish marked in a litter a friend had two weeks ago, and even that pup is not a true irish marked as she doesn't have the white neck ring.

Now that the Biewer is getting a following...and is being bred over and over again...we are seeing the color placements getting just as sporadic as those of the parti yorkies. In other words...just as many Biewers today, are being born without the black saddle as those that are born with it.

Parti or "pie bald" pattern is considered any breakage of the black saddle...and most all Biewers have that to one degree or another.

Here is a good link that shows the markings of pie bald and Irish spotting patterns,

bordercolliecolors.white
Read how this article describes the irish spotting gene...specifically the placement of the color or maybe I should say lack of....since it is specifically refering to the white placement.

Dog Coat Colour Genetics

Breezeaway 10-27-2009 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2856746)
You misunderstood. It's not the same pair of dogs. Mr. Biewer purchased his two standard yorkshire terriers from a kennel named Streamglen. The breeding that resulted in the first biewer puppies was a pairing of these dogs.

Supposedly other yorkshire terriers from the same kennel were shipped to the US.
Nikkos Orange Blossom was out of Streamglen Milady which was out of Streamglen Shaun. So the partis do have the Streamglen line.

bchgirl 10-27-2009 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2856763)
I thought you meant from the same pair of dogs, but even from the same kennel, I had not heard that. Do you know which kennel they were shipped to?

there was one story that some kennel in OK had gotten one from Germany, but there was never any proof of that nor were there any partis being traced to that kennel.
I have no idea. Pinehaven may.

Where did Nikko's lines come from? I mean the original dog.

bchgirl 10-27-2009 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 2856788)
Nikkos Orange Blossom was out of Streamglen Milady which was out of Streamglen Shaun. So the partis do have the Streamglen line.
There's your answer, JeanieK. :)

JeanieK 10-27-2009 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 3FurryFaces (Post 2856765)
Parti to traditional - do you get any parti pups when you do that? If parti is recessive, wouldnt you get only carriers?
the traditionals must be carriers in order to get parti colored pups.
.

JeanieK 10-27-2009 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2856790)
There's your answer, JeanieK. :)
Thanks.

JeanieK 10-27-2009 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 2856788)
Nikkos Orange Blossom was out of Streamglen Milady which was out of Streamglen Shaun. So the partis do have the Streamglen line.
But the Wildweir line now admits to getting them in their line also, but at the time they did not reveal that. So it's possible that there was more than one line producing them. Unless Wildweir bought dogs from nikko.

3FurryFaces 10-27-2009 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2856783)
Read how this article describes the irish spotting gene...specifically the placement of the color or maybe I should say lack of....since it is specifically refering to the white placement.

Dog Coat Colour Genetics
If the presence of white in dog coats is a result of incomplete dominance and not a recessive gene, wouldn't breeding a parti to a traditional result in some expression of white in all of the pups?

Breezeaway 10-27-2009 05:10 PM
All I know is in my research the partis and the biewers both go back to Streamglen and because most yorkies have Wildweir in their lines because they were a famous line you see it in the partis and Biewers.

Breezeaway 10-27-2009 05:16 PM
Nikko's Rolls Royce Ashley has both Streamglen and Wildweir ancestors


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