Debarking Hooks

[Britster]

Anyways, @ Hooks_Yorkie, how much exercise do they get a day? I find that the more tired and worn out Jackson is - the less likely he is to bark. A tired dog makes for a quiet dog. Take him on at LEAST one long walk a day. I try to walk Jackson at minimum for 20 minutes every day but I usually try to make it a 30-40 minute walk. He gets very tired out from it. Or, I take him to a dog park or a friends house or a family members house where the scenery is different, different smells, etc, it wears them out for sure. But a higher-energy, nosier dog may need an hour walk or more. Take him to a fenced in field or a dog park where he can run off leash and burn his energy.

Also, he's only 10 months old... he's probably going through a phase that he can grow out of as long as you're consistent with the discipline while he barks. He's young, and "finding himself" if you will. If he's cooped up, "hidden" in a dorm room or wherever you live, he's probably bored!

[k9trainer]

Originally Posted by Britster

Wow, harsh much?

She's just asking for opinions, not to be completely bashed. I don't think she should de-bark him. But that was VERY rude. As a fellow college student, who DOES not enjoy partying, drinking or doing drugs.... I would much rather spend my time with my dog than go out and "party my ass off" as you say. Very rude and uncalled for comment.

The dogs sound like their in great hands, she cares about them obviously and is caring for them well.... give her some slack. She's just asking for information and opinions.

I am personally offended by the fact that this 'woman' would debark an animal that she claims to love, and care for. It sickens me. That is my OPINION. Yourself and OP may not like it, but its mine. And i will post it.

I will not "giveher som slack".. IMO (The IMO being the main part) She is an irresposible owner for considering it. not better then somebody who doesnt let there dogs paws touch the ground , because they have it for a fashion statement. Its just in a different manner.

For a yorkie lover to support her actions is appualing. It really is.

[Hooks_Yorkie]

Originally Posted by k9trainer

Do they be walked daily?

They get a walk in the morning before class and in the afternoon we just play at the park while I have lunch and do homework. Then a walk/excercise in the evening. Hooks is kind of pudgy so I got them these tubes and things to jump over for queaky toys to see if he will run it off maybe.

I am starting to think that it may be the house. Simone is always skittish so I haven't noticed a change in her except when I did the can and spray stuff and they didn't want to come to me, but I think that may be it. He is an attention hog and I do let them kind of run all over and that may scare him.

As for partying and rehoming my dog. I don't party. Never have and never will. I enjoy myself quite a bit with my friends and my puppies, but again thank you for your concerns.

[FlDebra]

Originally Posted by Hooks_Yorkie

My questions were has anyone had this done and does it harm them physically other than our aesthetics.

I tried the cans and spray bottle before I started the thread. I also rush ordered the citronelle tags and a vibrating spray tag and also the thing that you plug in and is suppose to deter them from barking. I simply haven't recieved them yet. I will also try any of the new techniques mentioned in the thread. As I said originally, I was also looking into being able to completely stay off campus. I have to receive approval first.

I just wanted some input on whether or not someone has had it done and have they noted any physical harm. I haven't set the appointment or did anything of that nature. I was again trying to exhaust all the options and I didn't want to rush my decision.

I don't care what kind of activist you may be, but the first teaching of all those who believe they are "champions" for a cause is to learn a little tact and make sure that you listen and respect others while disagreeing with them. For adults to resort to ad hominem attacks instead of simply informing me of other options and expressing their disagreement is what is truly sad.

Debarking is an absolute last resort since rehoming is going to happen over my dead body. I will try the others (and new ones) until September when I have to move out. I was just trying to gather all the information that I possibly could to make the best decision. If you feel vindicated because you called me selfish and irresponsible than so be it. I will respect your opinion and hope that in any situation that you need some understanding and tact that you will meet individuals who show you more kindess and understanding that you never knew ws humanly possible.

If all this is true, why did you not start your thread with a post like this? If you had said, I tried all of these things, and I have ordered all of these products, but am considering debarking as a last resort...... I think you would have gotten more carefully worded posts. You may have gotten input on some of the very products you NOW say you are waiting on. But you did not say you were going to try anything else at all. You said you had found a vet to do this debarking surgery.

You are also ignoring all of the questions put to you -- like: What happens if after you mutilate your dogs, they are found out in the dorm? If you are told you have to move or move them? What are you going to do then? Do you think your roommates are going to put up with barking through final exam time? What if you have a disagreement with a roommate? You don't think one will report your dogs? What about just a routine dorm inspection? What about personal integrity?

You also did not say you were waiting for approval to stay off campus. You said you did not think it was financially feasible. Yet, you have money for debarking surgery!

What if every single person in that dorm snuck in two dogs? What sort of chaos would there be? Why do you feel you are above the rules? I still do not believe for a minute being sneaked in and out of a dorm room is any kind of life for dogs, despite your description of their outings. Dogs need to be able to be dogs. They need to run, play, and BARK! Really loving our dogs, means putting their needs above our own. Sure you NEED them, they make YOU feel better. But if you really love them, you will not sneak them into a dorm where they are not allowed to live, you will not take away their voices just because you want to live in the dorm, and you will consider rehoming to a GOOD, pre-screened home that can provide what you obviously cannot.

[Britster]

Originally Posted by k9trainer

I am personally offended by the fact that this 'woman' would debark an animal that she claims to love, and care for. It sickens me. That is my OPINION. Yourself and OP may not like it, but its mine. And i will post it.

I will not "giveher som slack".. IMO (The IMO being the main part) She is an irresposible owner for considering it. not better then somebody who doesnt let there dogs paws touch the ground , because they have it for a fashion statement. Its just in a different manner.

For a yorkie lover to support her actions is appualing. It really is.

Oh my Lord, I stated I am NOT FOR DE-BARKING. So, don't try to act like I'm supporting her actions and as "a fellow Yorkie lover, it's appalling".

She was JUST asking for opinions. And you people who are completely just SLAMMING her come out looking like the immature ones.

I disagree with what she's doing but I'm not going to slam her for it.

[k9trainer]

She asked for opinions, and she got them.
If she goes ahead with this, After seeing how it upsets people, she MUST know by now wht a horrible practice it is. I just REALLY hope she isnt that selfish, that she would put her own selfish wants, in front of her furbabies NEEDS.

[shannonroselive]

Originally Posted by Britster

Wow, harsh much?

She's just asking for opinions, not to be completely bashed. I don't think she should de-bark him. But that was VERY rude. As a fellow college student, who DOES not enjoy partying, drinking or doing drugs.... I would much rather spend my time with my dog than go out and "party my ass off" as you say. Very rude and uncalled for comment.

The dogs sound like their in great hands, she cares about them obviously and is caring for them well.... give her some slack. She's just asking for information and opinions.

Originally Posted by Jemma

I think that was a pretty crude comment and not really warranted.

OP, continue to try everything that you can. I'm glad to see that you are looking at debarking as a very last option. I think some of the YT members have given you some idea of how unfair it would be. And perhaps you didn't think about those issues. Now after reading how some dogs react and how sad it can be, you'll decide it isn't the thing to do. I'm also happy to hear that your male is neutered.
It sounds like you will continue trying and I'm glad to see that. I truly think if you keep trying, you're going to find something that is going to work.
Good luck

No, not nearly as harsh as debarking a dog would be! Crude? Whatever part you're referring to can't be nearly as crude as debarking a dog. IT'S A DOG. It's not a toy. IT'S A DOG AND THEY BARK.
And I didn't tell anyone to drink, use drugs or any other manner of illegal activity. I partied a lot when I was young but didn't abuse my body doing it. Some of us party with friends, dance, play and generally have fun so don't turn my post into something it's not.
I stated MY opinion just like everyone else and MY views are valid, just like yours are.

I would no sooner take away my beautiful dogs voice than I would my children's voices! The OP KNEW going in she wasn't allowed a dog, she brought this on herself and isn't able, for whatever reason, to properly train the dogs so they have to get a cruel operation to prevent them from barking? Seriously? And I'm the bad guy???

It's too bad you don't like my way of speaking but I'm not one for beating around the bush. This is NOT OK, IN MY OPINION, and we are each expressing our INDIVIDUAL opinions. Mine is not withheld because you don't like my tone.

[k9trainer]

Originally Posted by shannonroselive

No, not nearly as harsh as debarking a dog would be! Crude? Whatever part you're referring to can't be nearly as crude as debarking a dog. IT'S A DOG. It's not a toy. IT'S A DOG AND THEY BARK.
And I didn't tell anyone to drink, use drugs or any other manner of illegal activity. I partied a lot when I was young but didn't abuse my body doing it. Some of us party with friends, dance, play and generally have fun so don't turn my post into something it's not.
I stated MY opinion just like everyone else and MY views are valid, just like yours are.

I would no sooner take away my beautiful dogs voice than I would my children's voices! The OP KNEW going in she wasn't allowed a dog, she brought this on herself and isn't able, for whatever reason, to properly train the dogs so they have to get a cruel operation to prevent them from barking? Seriously? And I'm the bad guy???

It's too bad you don't like my way of speaking but I'm not one for beating around the bush. This is NOT OK, IN MY OPINION, and we are each expressing our INDIVIDUAL opinions. Mine is not withheld because you don't like my tone.

:thum bup:

[crystalsmom]

Originally Posted by k9trainer

I am personally offended by the fact that this 'woman' would debark an animal that she claims to love, and care for. It sickens me. That is my OPINION. Yourself and OP may not like it, but its mine. And i will post it.

I will not "giveher som slack".. IMO (The IMO being the main part) She is an irresposible owner for considering it. not better then somebody who doesnt let there dogs paws touch the ground , because they have it for a fashion statement. Its just in a different manner.

For a yorkie lover to support her actions is appualing. It really is.

Well Mr/Mrs. k9trainer, you could use a little more TACT or really a lot more!!

[k9trainer]

Very serious questions.

What if he or your other dog starts destroying your dorm one day when you are not there. Chewing thru drywall or damaging something that belongs to the school.. How will you explain that? Would you remove his teeth then too? Im serious.

What if he gets into the habit of bolting thru the dorm door suddenly.And somebody finds him. what would you do then? Youd have to give him up.
and if they didnt see him and catch you, would you have his legs amputated. I know, your thinking, THATS NOT THE SAME THING AT ALL. but you see. It is the same thing. Debarking is a needless, cruel procedure. Just as cruel as amputating his legs if he started darting from your dorm...

If you cannot see that this procedure is cruel. And if you cannot see that it is NOT in the best interest of your dog. And if you continue to think that you are not being selfish, and you are doing what is best for your dog. Then i am sorry. you still have alot of growing up to do.

I still dont understand why you brought the dogs into your situation. It was Such an irresponsible move.. When you are grown up, you make choices, you might not like them, but the choice you should have made before, was not to get a dog.

And the right choice, for you right now. Is to forget that debarking exists. The dog would be better off going to a knew home. Even if its a temp home until your done uni, you can get contracts made up stating that you want somebody to take care of him until college is over, and that they HAVE to give him back.

[k9trainer]

Originally Posted by crystalsmom

Well Mr/Mrs. k9trainer, you could use a little more TACT or really a lot more!!

Actually, its MS.. thanks

[mscat]

Originally Posted by k9trainer

She asked for opinions, and she got them.
If she goes ahead with this, After seeing how it upsets people, she MUST know by now wht a horrible practice it is. I just REALLY hope she isnt that selfish, that she would put her own selfish wants, in front of her furbabies NEEDS.

If I were you I would make al efforts to move of of campus ! I would never consider altering my dogs barking for the sake of "keeping them" in a place that I am not even suppose to have them This is what makes me most angry. YES, people are going to be upset and will post their opinions about your thread. I understand that all you wanted is feedback, and you have gotten more then what you thought you would get on here. It is a hot topic .
However, it is not what is in the best interest of your Yorkie's. I hope you do not do this . I am certain their are other options. The dogs needs ought to come first. Especially in this manner where they are not even allowed on campus!!! How cruel is it to debark a dog just to "sneak" one in on campus where he is not suppose to live in the first place. He is still a puppy for god's sake.

[Hooks_Yorkie]

I didn't say that I set the appointment and please reassure me that my decision was a good one. I specifically asked did it cause physical harm and did anyone who has done it does it do any harm that you have noticed.

It is opintless for me to continue to argue or try to defend myself. I am after all a puppy mutilated selfish person. I will accept that it is the opinion that you have of me.

I was asking about a procedure that I had not decided to get done or even set an appt to get done. I found a vet who was recommended from someone that I talked to at my vet's office. He had done numerous sheltie and other dog owners said was wonderful and had a great attitude about helping you figure out what it mean etc. I came to YT for a second opinion to make sure that what he told me was correct.

Have a ball with this thread.

[megansmomma]

I am horrified that you want to debark a 10 month old puppy who has been barking for one month only for the fact that you want to continue to sneak him into a dorm room! You really need to take a step back and think about what you are saying and contemplating doing. Not only do you have one puppy but you just recently added a second one who is only a few months younger. You seem very impulsive in your actions and now you have put yourself into a situation again that you are going to make another impulsive decision.

I have only heard one dog that was debarked and I was about 10 yrs old, that was 34 yrs ago and the sound that came from that dog sticks in my head till today. Please do not do this to your precious little guy. This is just breaking my heart to even think about.

[Sway Says]

This is a video of a debarked dog. It still makes noise. And it's still an irritating, albiet kind of sad, noise.

YouTube - What a "debarked" dog sounds like,...

Look I'm not going to judge you. People in my dorm snuck in dogs, too. Down the hall one of my sorority sisters had a yorkie.

Of course it's not a great idea because both of you can get the boot, but that's just the reality.

I would suggest the shake can...