Debarking Hooks

[shannonroselive]

very, isn't it?

[roxies_mom]

I have to wonder if some of the barking is due to the fact that he has to be hearing so many noises. I'm sure a building of dorm rooms has tons of activity going on at all hours. Then to add to it he's probably feeling your anxiety of keeping him quiet. He's probably really not barking as much as you think he is it's just that you can't afford for him to make a sound. How many more years do you have of college left and how long will you have to live in a dorm? Be aware that anyplace that does except pets will charge you extra rent for them. I'm wondering if you got these dogs after you knew already you wouldn't be able to have them in the dorms? Or did you just think you could have puppies and sneak them in and out? I can see that you love your babies but I hope that you'll love the one enough not to debark. I posted before and have a 2 year old that can only bark a whisper or a sqeak. I try to video this to upload for another thread but am having trouble figuring out how to get it on here. Heaven forbid she ever gets into any situation where she needs to be able to bark. I wish so much she could bark normally.

[shamrocks]

Originally Posted by shannonroselive

Well I admit I only made it through the first page but yeah, I think you should totally debark your dog. Then, later in life, when you have babies, I think you should take away their voices too. God forbid you tolerate anything inconvenient to you which YOU brought on yourself.

You are in college, give the dog a proper home and party your ass off and quit trying to destroy a puppy's voice just because you think of it as property that you're entitled to.

The idea of this makes me ill.

I understand what you are trying to say but, Wow the way you said was very hateful. I have not been part of this forum for long but I thought that this was a place to get advice and share concerns. I understand that we will not always agree with each other, but sometimes I think that we forget etiquette. We can disagree with someone without trying to be hurtful. I don’t know if you were trying to be hateful or not & I understand we all get passionate over certain issues but let’s not forget that she came to this forum for advice not to be attacked.

[roxies_mom]

Originally Posted by QuickSilver

Actually, I thought it was very helpful to post some actual information in this thread.

agreed

[MindieRose]

Just the way I see it....if this dog has a terrible issue with barking, even if she rehomed him, the problem will continue. So either the dog will end up getting debarked eventually, or he will go from home to home because no one wants to deal with the problem.
Also, debarking may be uncomfortable, maybe like getting your tonsils out? I don't think a dog is going to remember that forever. I have seen a lot of debarked dogs, and they still bark. I really don't think they are saying to themselves "oh crap, why doesn't anyone hear me". They still bark, they still are able to feel like they are alerting people. I don't believe they go into this deep depression over it.
I do not think it's something you should do on impulse, but I do not think that it is something that should never be done.
Sorry, but I don't feel like my animals are my children. I feel like they are animals, and that my children are my children. I love and respect all of my pets, horses, goats, cats, dogs, all of them, but I do see them as what they are, and not equal to my own children. That would be a giant insult to my family that I have actually birthed.

[shannonroselive]

Originally Posted by shamrocks

I understand what you are trying to say but, Wow the way you said was very hateful. I have not been part of this forum for long but I thought that this was a place to get advice and share concerns. I understand that we will not always agree with each other, but sometimes I think that we forget etiquette. We can disagree with someone without trying to be hurtful. I don’t know if you were trying to be hateful or not & I understand we all get passionate over certain issues but let’s not forget that she came to this forum for advice not to be attacked.

Listen, I'm not attacking anyone. I whole heartedly disagree with debarking a dog. There is NO reason for it and it's a horrible thing to do. Just because I don't sugar coat my opinion, doesn't make it wrong or hateful. It is JUST my opinion. This isn't a "nice" thread. Not a nice idea. Not a nice thing to even think about doing to an innocent creature. WHY then, am I to be so nice and sweet about my thoughts on this subject? I'm not trying to attack anyone, as a matter of fact, I offered to take the pups off her hands and give them a loving home where they could bark to their hearts content! That's not hateful.

[k9trainer]

Originally Posted by MindieRose

Just the way I see it....if this dog has a terrible issue with barking, even if she rehomed him, the problem will continue. So either the dog will end up getting debarked eventually, or he will go from home to home because no one wants to deal with the problem.
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I dont think he is barking anymore then anydog should. hes 10 months old. thats ussualy when yorkies find their voices. The problem is, it is going to be harder for her to lie and sneak her dog into a dorm room.. I think the problem is, he didnt bark before (because he was a puppy, sometimes it takes a while for them to find their real voice) The way she stated it was, it would be fine until uni started up again, because she doesnt have to hide him RIGHT now. She is being selfish about it.


FYI- if i respect anything, i do not take its voice away..

[shannonroselive]

Originally Posted by k9trainer

FYI- if i respect anything, i do not take its voice away..

Wow. Now that is pretty much all that needs to be said on this entire subject! Wow!

[QuickSilver]

Originally Posted by shannonroselive

Listen, I'm not attacking anyone. I whole heartedly disagree with debarking a dog. There is NO reason for it and it's a horrible thing to do. Just because I don't sugar coat my opinion, doesn't make it wrong or hateful. It is JUST my opinion. This isn't a "nice" thread. Not a nice idea. Not a nice thing to even think about doing to an innocent creature. WHY then, am I to be so nice and sweet about my thoughts on this subject? I'm not trying to attack anyone, as a matter of fact, I offered to take the pups off her hands and give them a loving home where they could bark to their hearts content! That's not hateful.

You know I love you , but two wrongs don't make a right. I think it's always important to try to be respectful. I'd like to see a world where dogs AND people are treated kindly.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by MindieRose

Just the way I see it....if this dog has a terrible issue with barking, even if she rehomed him, the problem will continue. So either the dog will end up getting debarked eventually, or he will go from home to home because no one wants to deal with the problem.
Also, debarking may be uncomfortable, maybe like getting your tonsils out? I don't think a dog is going to remember that forever. I have seen a lot of debarked dogs, and they still bark. I really don't think they are saying to themselves "oh crap, why doesn't anyone hear me". They still bark, they still are able to feel like they are alerting people. I don't believe they go into this deep depression over it.
I do not think it's something you should do on impulse, but I do not think that it is something that should never be done.
Sorry, but I don't feel like my animals are my children. I feel like they are animals, and that my children are my children. I love and respect all of my pets, horses, goats, cats, dogs, all of them, but I do see them as what they are, and not equal to my own children. That would be a giant insult to my family that I have actually birthed.

Hooks isn't even a year old , I don't think you can consider him a hard case yet. I would be surprised if a vet would even consider it without insisiting on some sort of professional training. Many pet owners say they have "tried everything" but you have to be very consistent, and if not done propertly, you can actually reinforce the barking. I think working out a program, and training every day, you will see get amazing results in a months time. However, you have to be very specific in the training.

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by k9trainer

FYI- if i respect anything, i do not take its voice away..

I agree with this on sooo many levels. Well said.

[spr377]

Originally Posted by shannonroselive

Listen, I'm not attacking anyone. I whole heartedly disagree with debarking a dog. There is NO reason for it and it's a horrible thing to do. Just because I don't sugar coat my opinion, doesn't make it wrong or hateful. It is JUST my opinion. This isn't a "nice" thread. Not a nice idea. Not a nice thing to even think about doing to an innocent creature. WHY then, am I to be so nice and sweet about my thoughts on this subject? I'm not trying to attack anyone, as a matter of fact, I offered to take the pups off her hands and give them a loving home where they could bark to their hearts content! That's not hateful.

Yes, you were attacking someone...in your first paragraph! That's my opinion!! If you are going to give scathing opinions, you can at least take some constructive criticism.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by k9trainer

FYI- if i respect anything, i do not take its voice away..

That's really beautiful, I got teary eyed.

[shannonroselive]

Originally Posted by QuickSilver

You know I love you , but two wrongs don't make a right. I think it's always important to try to be respectful. I'd like to see a world where dogs AND people are treated kindly.

And I love you just the same, I really do. But I honestly don't see where I'm wrong here. The thought of this makes me sick, really!!! Maybe my words aren't as easy going as some but the thought is the same and I don't wish harm or hate on anyone. I just can't believe that a person could do something like this for such selfish reasons....or pretty much any reason.

I don't condemn anyone here for thinking I'm harsh or whatever but I also can't condone this sort of thinking. Is it that she is young and easily offended? The majority of posters here agree that debarking is wrong, inhumane, etc but now I'm wrong for speaking my mind without the pretty paper and bows. That's not right. I have a huge respect for you and many others on this board and I'm not trying to get anyone wound up. I just said how I feel about this subject.

[mypreciouspups]

Originally Posted by Hooks_Yorkie

I was in class so I wasn't able to respond. I would first like to say that I respect all of your for your views on animals and your rights to your opinions. I would hope that you would at least respect me enough to not be cruel to me if at all possible.

I made a choice to get my dog because I needed them at the moment and they mean the world to me and I will exhaust every option that I can before giving them away.

As I said before I have read a lot of stuff about it and I have talked to a few vets who say that the only thing that upsets people is the way that it sounds. It doesn't hurt the dog in any way, it simply disturbs our view of what a dog should sound like.

I have tried the pennies and I have tried spray bottle and nothing works. It just makes him afraid of me and that breaks my heart more than hearing him squeak would. I just asked for personal experiences about debarking.

I don't care if I am a college student or a homeless person. I made the decision to have my dogs and I made a commitment to be their owner for the rest of their life. As long as they are not being harmed then I will do anything in my power to see to it that they stay with me. As I said before I am trying to work out other options, but that you so much for the input.

I am not here to agree or disagree. I love to read other people's posts and views.. but when some get down right rude.. and always the same negativity towards some one that does not agree with their views.. should learn some things you cannot change.leave the anger and sarcasim before coming to check out the fourms..

As some have pointed out.. s/n is no easier on a dog.. and yes it is done to save the pet population... or is it done for the lazy at heart..could go either way.. some people use altenative medicine for flea issues others use medcation from vets.. again some agree some disagree..I also can list more.. but other things have been already..there are too many to mention..

I met a breeder once who had some of her dogs debarked.. instead of insulting her I actually sat and listened to it all... She has one vet only she will go to.. the vet keeps the dog sadated for days.. to heal so the throat does not get used and the bark ends up to be a scratching annoying bark that some of you talk about. she says her vet believes that is the key to how it turns out... no damage is done after sugery doing it this way...

Many people have views.. and that is great.. but again some people need to realize that they can post with out the sarcasim and digs.. It happens a lot.. in fact on many more posts then not.. some may want to look back at there remarks and wonder if other aspects of their life could be attacked so badly all the time.. how would they feel.

I absolutly know I am by far not the only one who feels this way.. when a good respected breeder can come on here and post with out insults but can reason why.. maybe one should follow her footsteps instead of the angry ones..

Just remember.. how do some of you know this dog would be better off without the op.. and what to heck is this.. you cannot sneak a dog in all the time.. breaking the rules... if one person that has posted on here has never broken rules and could honestly say they would never sneak their beloved yorkie in to where ever, if ever put in the same position.. ask yourself how you would feel being jumped on..
Cause you love your dog.. made the commintment.. and others lighly say well you should not keep the dog but give it up.. they are wrong..

Ya know some of you need to learn kindness... if your so upset all the time.. try avoiding some posts..

Again I could make a thread on just that.(people with the most know it all attitude all the time ) not saying some people do have lots of good points..but ya think it might go to some heads...

If people really wanted to be honest.. say using a different name.. I bet they would and could agree with me..and you know who you are.. and please do not carry this on to get the last word in ... you know who you are and we will leave it at that..I would not say this.. if I thought for one minute I am the only one that feels this way..
Your not a breeder and when good ethical breeders get tired of this attitude at times.. maybe you should find some good happy posts to posts on and you might even enjoy being on yt...

Sorry for the rant.. but man.. some people make a worse situation then the one making the thread asking for opinions.. some are no opinions.. it is like my way or the hwy attitude cause I know more...

Can some not do unto others as they would have them due onto them..
What is a bullie... school kids go through this.. this is just some words for though only...

anne

Please be nice to this girl.. for heavens sake.. one day what goes around.. comes around..