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Old 06-23-2009, 12:12 PM   #166
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I wouldn't be surprised if there was no limit.
Michigan is a state with a lot of freedom...
Crytal, My town has a 3 dog per house hold. Plano has the same law.
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Old 06-23-2009, 12:19 PM   #167
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Can someone in this area check with Animal Control.
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Crytal, My town has a 3 dog per house hold. Plano has the same law.



I found this and have no idea if it ever passed:
Good Dog Owners vs. Bad Dog Laws: Warren, Michigan Dog Owners- ALERT!
If not there is no limit.

Here are the laws that all dog owners have to abide by:
Macomb County Michigan : Health Department: animal
It is under Regulations Governing Animal Control.
So if dogs aren't current on rabies or if they are being neglected, then legal action can be taken.
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Old 06-23-2009, 12:25 PM   #169
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Can someone in this area check with Animal Control.
YorkieLove77 called this morning.
Unless someone goes there and reports neglect, there is really nothing that can be done.
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Old 06-23-2009, 12:29 PM   #170
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I found this and have no idea if it ever passed:
Good Dog Owners vs. Bad Dog Laws: Warren, Michigan Dog Owners- ALERT!
If not there is no limit.

Here are the laws that all dog owners have to abide by:
Macomb County Michigan : Health Department: animal
It is under Regulations Governing Animal Control.
So if dogs aren't current on rabies or if they are being neglected, then legal action can be taken.
This may be the way to get this Greeder. But then again this may only be a temporary fix.
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Old 06-23-2009, 12:40 PM   #171
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I found this and have no idea if it ever passed:
Good Dog Owners vs. Bad Dog Laws: Warren, Michigan Dog Owners- ALERT!
If not there is no limit.

Here are the laws that all dog owners have to abide by:
Macomb County Michigan : Health Department: animal
It is under Regulations Governing Animal Control.
So if dogs aren't current on rabies or if they are being neglected, then legal action can be taken.
That first link is a great example of how commercial breeding lobbyists put out propaganda, intended to scare the small breeder. There was a thread on trying to pass some legislation in Indiana, and small breeders were up in arms about it, insisting that it would hurt them. In truth, it would only affect breeders who had 10 or more litters a year, and this isn't a small breeder. However, commercial lobbyists best support comes from the small breeder who doesn't read the bill, but believes whatever the friendly "sporting dog magazines" tell them. We can't expect much breeder support on passing any legislation as they are thoroughly convinced that every animal rights group wants to shut them down. Conversely, the average consumer should be aware of attempts to end all breeding and make sure the bills in legislation won't affect the small hobby breeders. So much good legislation isn't being passed because of special interest groups, and a lack of ability to read and understand the law itself. It sounds like Michigan needs to pass a few laws regarding the selling of companion animals.
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Just checking to see if any of the members that lived nearby this woman did indeed go and see the dogs and the conditions. At this point, it may be the best place to start. Then we can get a better idea of what we can do or what needs to be done.
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It is nice to see everyone TRYING to work together. The bottom line is our love for Yorkies ALL yorkies. It seems there is enough willing volutneers to help here and Angelworks and Fldebra you seem to have some great ideas. Lets not just talk about this LETS DO SOMETHING. It would be great to proceed further but I personally dont know where to start......What can I do? What can we do? Are we gonna rescue this little girl? Do we just need money? I am home everyday by 3pm and have the free time (at least till the puppies are born) to help out. I feel sooo helpless and I want to help her in anyway I can. Is there anyone that wants to guide those of us that are clueless as to what we can do?
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Old 06-23-2009, 03:06 PM   #174
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HI, I saw her listing today and then found this forum. Does anyone seem to think that this 3 pounder is not a full yorkie? Seems like the hair is just too curly. Part poodle maybe.

Anyways, I live within 15 minutes of Warren. I sure would not put out that kind of money, but would be willing to help in whatever I could do to retrieve dog.

I have 2, 3 pounders of my own which is surely wouldn't breed. I have previous experience welping dogs, although larger breeds. If someone really wants to get this dog and comes up with funds from somewhere I can help you.
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I agree with the previous posters that not a dime should be exchanged with this woman. My heart is breaking for these animals, but I have a feeling this is not nor will it be this person's first or last go round.

It appears that her treatment of her animals may be congruent with abuse and cruelty. Breeding an animal despite very obvious and perceivable risks sure seems like cruelty and abuse to me. I think our best bet is to contact the Michigan Humane Society and clue them in on the situation.

Furthermore, she continues to change her story. They were bred on purpose, they weren't, I need money for furniture, I need it for a car....

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I agree with the previous posters that not a dime should be exchanged with this woman. My heart is breaking for these animals, but I have a feeling this is not nor will it be this person's first or last go round.

It appears that her treatment of her animals may be congruent with abuse and cruelty. Breeding an animal despite very obvious and perceivable risks sure seems like cruelty and abuse to me. I think our best bet is to contact the Michigan Humane Society and clue them in on the situation.

Furthermore, she continues to change her story. They were bred on purpose, they weren't, I need money for furniture, I need it for a car....
PLEASE do not give this woman any money! This will not stop her for contining to breed all of these dogs. She is doing it for money and scamming people. There are so many dogs in shelters that need to be saved and not enough homes to save them all. Give to a rescue were your money will go to saving many dogs and not to some PoS that is scamming you out of your money.

This is the reason that I tried to tell everyone to stay off of that horrible Kijii site. These people are scumbags and all they are looking for is your money.

There are so many rescues that would love to have a few more good foster homes to take in pups to save their lives. Every day there are dogs dying in shelters and all they need is a good loving home. I wish everyone that is so up in arms about this scam would take a step back and look at the bigger picture of how to help and save more yorkies in need.

If YHR was given $1200 we would all be in tears because they number of dogs that would be saved and the vet bills that could be paid would be amazing! We have been asking people for change for donations to help the YHR pups. We make it our goal never to turn dogs away but without enough foster homes what else can be done. Adopt a rescue, donate to a rescue, don't shop in pet shops, all of these things will help. But paying some crack whore $1200 is insane!

Please let this thread die and do not give this woman any of your money.
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I would also like to add that if she is not able to sell this little girl and she does need a c section she will most likely dump her either at the vet or shelter. I think we need to keep this in mind, stay one step ahead and be proactive and not reactive to this situation. If we could find out the vets name we could alert him that we would be willing to pay a vet bill if he would take the dog into his care and surrender to a rescue. We could also do this with the local shelter but I think she would go to the vet if she ran into problems during the whelping. This should be our stance.
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I agree with the previous posters that not a dime should be exchanged with this woman. My heart is breaking for these animals, but I have a feeling this is not nor will it be this person's first or last go round.

It appears that her treatment of her animals may be congruent with abuse and cruelty. Breeding an animal despite very obvious and perceivable risks sure seems like cruelty and abuse to me. I think our best bet is to contact the Michigan Humane Society and clue them in on the situation.
Furthermore, she continues to change her story. They were bred on purpose, they weren't, I need money for furniture, I need it for a car....
I agree. Right Away.....
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I would also like to add that if she is not able to sell this little girl and she does need a c section she will most likely dump her either at the vet or shelter. I think we need to keep this in mind, stay one step ahead and be proactive and not reactive to this situation. If we could find out the vets name we could alert him that we would be willing to pay a vet bill if he would take the dog into his care and surrender to a rescue. We could also do this with the local shelter but I think she would go to the vet if she ran into problems during the whelping. This should be our stance.
I agree, How would they contact the vet without this lady knowing, just incase she dumps the dog. What should be said to the vet?
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Also, how do we know she is not lurking around on this site.
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