Does this look like the same dog to you?

[jasmanea]

I always find it fascinating when people comment on things they know nothing about, excepts someones opinion. I think people love to jump on the negative!though I do have to say I did see half were positive and thank you!

Also I told her Sara would be happy to contact her to verify her weight at the time Sara received her. She never responded!

[rontiss1]

It doesn't seem like the same dog to me either. How can a person do this, especially on YT? I thought we are all just one happy family sharing our thoughts, experiences and genuine concern.

[rontiss1]

Originally Posted by jasmanea

I always find it fascinating when people comment on things they know nothing about, excepts someones opinion. I think people love to jump on the negative!though I do have to say I did see half were positive and thank you!

Also I told her Sara would be happy to contact her to verify her weight at the time Sara received her. She never responded!

Im just saying the picture doesnt look like the same yorkie. I didnt mean for you to get so sensitive.

[Mybabyboymax]

doesnt look like the same dog at all...to me
all those emails that the seller posted doesnt really prove anything but that the buyer was willing to try and give it time. Now she has realized that it isnt going to work becuase the dog is not what the buyer said she was (good with other dogs and great with children) It is only right to refund the purchase price of the puppy and the cost of shipping the puppy. I also think the shipping cost back to the seller should be reimbersed but if the seller wont do it my advice would be to just call it a loss and pay the shipping back. hope the seller does the right thing.

[speleogirl37]

I'm glad you came to tell your side. If you suspect that your dog is being neglected/treated badly (which sure looks like it, if that's the same dog) why are you not doing everything in your power to get that poor baby outta there?

I am in NO WAY being mean, or suggesting your lying. I just know that if that was my dog, I would be doing anything I can to get her outta those conditions you suspect she's living in.

[jasmanea]

Originally Posted by Teiya

She did. She refused to take paypal and even refused and EFT transfer from my bank to hers. The only form of payment she would accept is a wire transfer via money gram, which cost me an extra $70. I'll eat that and I'll eat the return shipping but I do think she should reimburse what she initially collected from me. However, based on her most recent purchase, and the emails crying poverty, I'm skeptical if I'd ever see my refund unless I collected it before sending the dog back. Which, for all intensive purposes, I would do without hestitation.

Poverty?? Take a look at my photos, then yours and please do yourself a favor before quoting and realize my mother purchased them from my fathers money when he passed!!. I don't ever cry poverty and work very hard! I simply tried to stress to you that I was a decent individual-but really YOUR opinion doesn't matter since you do not know me. You were well aware of the "aggression" and you ASSURED me many times over that you knew "click training, behavioral training, etc.. for those in doubt, please go back and read her initial newbie posts!! You also said you little dogs went after the birds, so it is not just Emma.

[roxies_mom]

All I can think about this is, Poor Dog. Makes me want to scoop her up and love on her. Like my Grandmother used to say it's between the 2 and the third has nothing to say. That's because you can never tell what the whole story is. I just hope someone can give her a loving home.

[KJLive]

I've read this thread in it's entirity and I guess I feel compelled to share my thoughts.
I believe while reading all the "he said", "she said", emails, camera uploads, photos, alleged lies and snippets that we've lost sight of the most important thing....and that would be the happiness of this sweet little Yorkie girl.
Can the two of you find a way to make this a happy ending for her? Perhaps the buyer and the seller can put their differences aside for the sake of that sweet little girl and find her a home she will like? After that is done, then the two of you can settle your differences (shipping costs, vet bills, monies paid, etc). Just a thought...it's not meant to offend anyone. I guess I've decided to not side with either the buyer or the seller. I'm siding with the dog....

[jp4m2]

Originally Posted by roxies_mom

All I can think about this is, Poor Dog. Makes me want to scoop her up and love on her. Like my Grandmother used to say it's between the 2 and the third has nothing to say. That's because you can never tell what the whole story is. I just hope someone can give her a loving home.

I have to say that is the first thing I thought when I saw the pic's...That poor precious baby....She looks so unhappy and unkept .....

These two people need to take this private and find the best solution for this yorkie...there is no point of going over what was said.... right now the focus should be on what to do to fix this....the home she is in now is not in her best interests......Good luck to all .....

[Hansch99]

Originally Posted by Ladymom

With two young children and a smaller Yorkie in your home, you cannot take a chance on having an aggressive dog around.

Florida is a very pro-consumer state when it comes to pet laws. In addition, if the seller pulled a bait & switch on you, she could face serious serious charges.

If it's the same dog, the seller should refund your purchase price and take the dog back. You should be responsible for shipping costs.

If she switched dogs on you, you are entitled to the purchase price, shipping costs, and I would ask for reimbursement of vet bills. If you have to go to court, you would be entitled to court costs and attorney fees if applicable.

The dog needs to be returned before she does serious injury to your other dog or your children.

I agree with this.

You might want to research Florida pet law to see what your rights are. See, for example, the phone number here:

2008 - Bronson Announces Arrest In Pet Fraud Case

That press release dealt with a forged health certificate; did you receive one?

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by jasmanea

Let me say first off to all the people who are able to recognize the difference in coloring flash and size of the face. Most breeders know when your taking different pictures they come out differently. I have a picture of me that looks like I have blonde hair due to my flash, but in actuality it is very brown. As to other -everyone has an opinion which is obvious by the postings. I have been sitting here reading these and have for the most part decided to stay out of it, since no one but she and I had the converstations. No one knows anything about me so it really doesn't matter. But since we are in this little petty situation I would like to refer the most people that have an interest (for some reason) in this thread to go back over all her happy posts. Look at some of the clean pictures... she originally took and compare her snout, etc. In my pictures she is CLEAN, her face is blow dryed backwards (breeders know this technique) and sprayed and goomed with conditioner. In this ladies pictures-she is UNCLEAN and disgustingly out in the mud with her ears back in fear. I was told she would be an inside dog and I got an email stating they have to put her outside now. She was never an outside dog. I did offer her money back at first and told her she did need to pay for the shipping. (that was her choice to have the dog shipped) Emma left happy and clean, now she looks filthy, poor and unkempt. Let me also state and copy and email that shows she also said AFTER I offered her the refund that she wanted to keep her and NOT send her back. CASE CLOSED. Never did I say she would have to pay for any vaccines (PLEASE PRODUCE A LEGITAMATE COPY. Gina or whatever you name is..since you told me your name was ERIN and not GINA and asked me to send to her to another area and that you did not actually live in Salt Lake City. You told me she was fine, happy, etc.. and they were playing well. This is CLEARLY buyers remorse. Here are some of the "more pleasant snippets"
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Christin,

I apologize for my husbands reaction regarding Emma. He's not the most graceful thing at handling issues and I wasn't aware that he'd emailed you until he told me this morning. I intended to wait a few days to see how things went before making a judgement. Again, I apologize for his reaction and want to talk things out here.
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Her interest in the birds are something I saw coming. It's natural and they are terriers. Teiya had an interest at first too. It took a while before the interest wore off and she doesn't bother them anymore. My amazon will get down to play with Teiya and that's where we have to be extra cautious with Emma. Emma does have a much higher prey drive than Tei does though. That's nothing anyone could have predicted.

Just to clarify, Emma is NOT kept outside. I don't condone having a dog and keeping it outside. It's not a dog them. It's a lawn ornament that you have to clean up after. What Dave was trying to say is that we have to put Emma outside while Teiya is eating or in her crate. Otherwise, Emma won't allow Teiya to eat. She'll guard the bowl even if she's full and doesn't want anymore.

In any case, I'm going to try to work with her regarding these issues. I really don't want to send her back to you. I made a commitment and intend to honor that, but I am concerned for Teiya with the aggression issues.

Gina


I find this all pathetic and sad and wonder if this has anything to do with what I said about your bows that you made. My personal preference is to have lasting quality. I also find it absolutly abhorent that she is out in the filth. YOU CHOSE TO KEEP HER AFTER I OFFERED YOU TO SEND HER BACK. Step up to the plate and take care of your dog properly. She needs to be groomed and well taken care of . Also to all that are wondering she had her approximatly 48 hours when her husband sent a very rude email saying she was not getting along with the "BIRDS" and wanted a refund, but "wasn't sure what they wanted to do". HELLO!!! TERRIER-BIRD???
I refuse to get in a silly tit for tat over this and you can post and "edit" the emails all you like. I have the emails of your happiness, then sudden dismay and claims of how you do behavioral training and that it would be fine if Emma was more dominant, as your dog was more submissive. We talked about all this in great detail. Many converstations!!!!!! If you continue to bash me I would be happy to have my family take care of the "slander" issues. I have my proof of everything that was said. I have no idea how much weight she gained with Sara, but I can tell you she was clean and happy when I got her and did not look like that "filthy" photo you posted.

I have only one more thing to say. No way in hell would she keep my dog and put it outside. My adult dogs always go with a "return to me" contract. I would absolety be standing one her dorr step or in her back yard to repo my dog. When I read what you said about keeping her outside, it made me furious!!!!!!! She had not mentioned that before. That is animal cruelty for a yorkie!

[Britster]

Doesn't look like the same dog to me.

Originally Posted by Teiya

She did. She refused to take paypal and even refused and EFT transfer from my bank to hers. The only form of payment she would accept is a wire transfer via money gram, which cost me an extra $70. I'll eat that and I'll eat the return shipping but I do think she should reimburse what she initially collected from me. However, based on her most recent purchase, and the emails crying poverty, I'm skeptical if I'd ever see my refund unless I collected it before sending the dog back. Which, for all intensive purposes, I would do without hestitation.

And yikes! That's a lesson I, myself, had to learn the hard way. I sent money through a money gram for concert tickets two years ago because I felt I really trusted the person I had been e-mailing back and forth.... $250 down the drain and no way to track the person. He stopped responded to my e-mails. It was awful. NEVER sent money through a money gram. No matter what excuse they make up as to why they "can't except Paypal."

[jasmanea]

Originally Posted by Hansch99

I agree with this.

You might want to research Florida pet law to see what your rights are. See, for example, the phone number here:

2008 - Bronson Announces Arrest In Pet Fraud Case

That press release dealt with a forged health certificate; did you receive one?

Well let's see anyone that ships knows you have to have a legit health/travel cert.
As for

"If it's the same dog, the seller should refund your purchase price and take the dog back. You should be responsible for shipping costs."

This is exactly what I did. I am not posting the nasty stuff in her email, but she stated prior that yes I did offer to refund the purchase price of the actually yorkie. I have copies of the emails. She then stated she did not want to send her back. I had yet to see the dirty photos of her being outside in the mud and looking so unkempt. Since my husbands side works in the legal arena.. NONE of my documents w/health certs or offers of a refund will prove to be false and that is good enough for me:-)

[slantyeyedgirl]

Originally Posted by Teiya

Because it doesn't to me. Maybe I'm missing something. I don't know.

The first dog is the one that I bought. Represented as a 5lb dog with a sweet disposition who is gentle and docile. The second dog is the one that was shipped to me weighing 6lbs 12oz (on an empty stomach mind you!) who is horribly food aggressive and attacks my 3.5lb yorkie.

Granted, I was informed that the picture that was sent to me was a month old. I just didn't expect this dramatic of a change in 1 month. This was $1100 of my hard earned money. I'm not only disappointed, but I'm really upset at the feeling that I've been scammed by a fellow YT member.

What would you do?

The dog has a similar face, but the coat color and texture looks different from the first picture to the other two. I would return the dog to the breeder since it is not what you paid for.

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by jasmanea

Well let's see anyone that ships knows you have to have a legit health/travel cert.
As for

"If it's the same dog, the seller should refund your purchase price and take the dog back. You should be responsible for shipping costs."

This is exactly what I did. I am not posting the nasty stuff in her email, but she stated prior that yes I did offer to refund the purchase price of the actually yorkie. I have copies of the emails. She then stated she did not want to send her back. I had yet to see the dirty photos of her being outside in the mud and looking so unkempt. Since my husbands side works in the legal arena.. NONE of my documents w/health certs or offers of a refund will prove to be false and that is good enough for me:-)

From now on, put a line in your contract for the adult dog (I use a very simple one) that states, "If I find that this dog has been mistreated in anyway or is being kept outside, the dog will be immediately repossessed." It will stand up in court. I repo'd three last fall. Two adults and one male puppy.