Originally Posted by Mybabyboymax (Post 2543380)

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: i couldnt have said it better myself

Originally Posted by FlDebra (Post 2543308)

I debated with myself about posting in a heated thread. But I decided that the OP deserves replies when she has asked for people's honest opinions. Sorry to the seller, but there is no way that I would believe those were the same dogs either -- especially when the pictures are supposedly taken only ONE month apart. I think you have to see the buyer's point of view at least a LITTLE on that point. I think the nasty replies from the seller sort of seals the deal as to who is not doing right, in my mind. To make accusations like: "she is UNCLEAN and disgustingly out in the mud with her ears back in fear" and "unkempnow she looks filthy, poor and unkempt" is ridiculous. She is NOT in mud. Even the picture taken outside, the dirt is obviously dry and she does not look filthy. She does look like a larger, darker dog with droopy ears, whether in fear or just not ears that stand up, it can't be discerned from a picture.

The seller also says "I have no idea how much weight she gained with Sara, " yet she advertised the dog as weighing 5 pounds AFTER she got her back from Sara. If you are going to sell a dog, especially if it has been out of your possession for a time, then you need to verify details like that or you are not being honest. You can't say a picture was taken a month ago, when it was really 5 months ago. That too, is dishonest.

And what is up with the line the seller wrote: "If you continue to bash me I would be happy to have my family take care of the "slander" issues. " Is that a threat? Very unprofessional. BTW "slander" is spoken, "libel" is published in writing -- and it has to actually be an untruthful statement.

I also agree that the seller's quotes from the buyer only make me think she did try to make things work. She knew just by looking that the dog was not what she paid her money for, but she was willing to try until it became evident that the behavior problems were a dangerous risk to her small yorkie and maybe even her children.

I wonder at the not so subtle insinuations about bow insults and husband's ex-wife. If there is ex-wife/current wife relationship here, then who knows what to believe. But if a person wants to be a professional breeder, they had better make sure their word is gold and not sell dogs with very out of date pictures, nearly 2 pound weight difference, and aggression problems when they know the buyer has a small dog and small children. You just don't do that to the buyer or the dog. As another poster said, this is a dog that needs to go where she can be an only child and get some quality time resolving her behavior issues. It is a shame that the dog grew larger than any of the three mentioned owners wanted, did not have the "look" any of them were after, and had agression problems. But what a shame the poor dog still does not have a forever home and was needlessly shipped to the buyer who had different expectations. Instead of pawning her off on trusting people, the seller needs to find a home where she can have her special needs met.

You also don't post threats or be rude to customers. I think this was entirely unprofessional!

I believe the seller should return the purchase price and at least one way of the transportation cost, and the vet fees incurred by the buyer. These are just my opinions, which everyone has their own, and after all, that was what was asked for.

Such a shame that this happened on YT. Not only did this buyer decide buying from a YT member cannot be trusted, many others reading this will now not want to take the risk of buying from what was usually considered a reliable source -- yorkietalk members! This hurts all breeders. Maybe we could come up with a voluntary mediation program on YT. We have a company in our town that provides a service like that to individuals and businesses alike. Here we could have a board of some of the long-time members who have earned a good reputation. Each would hear out both sides and then come to a consensus with the other mediators as to their recommendation. Just an idea......

Originally Posted by FlDebra (Post 2543308)

I debated with myself about posting in a heated thread. But I decided that the OP deserves replies when she has asked for people's honest opinions. Sorry to the seller, but there is no way that I would believe those were the same dogs either -- especially when the pictures are supposedly taken only ONE month apart. I think you have to see the buyer's point of view at least a LITTLE on that point. I think the nasty replies from the seller sort of seals the deal as to who is not doing right, in my mind. To make accusations like: "she is UNCLEAN and disgustingly out in the mud with her ears back in fear" and "unkempnow she looks filthy, poor and unkempt" is ridiculous. She is NOT in mud. Even the picture taken outside, the dirt is obviously dry and she does not look filthy. She does look like a larger, darker dog with droopy ears, whether in fear or just not ears that stand up, it can't be discerned from a picture.

The seller also says "I have no idea how much weight she gained with Sara, " yet she advertised the dog as weighing 5 pounds AFTER she got her back from Sara. If you are going to sell a dog, especially if it has been out of your possession for a time, then you need to verify details like that or you are not being honest. You can't say a picture was taken a month ago, when it was really 5 months ago. That too, is dishonest.

And what is up with the line the seller wrote: "If you continue to bash me I would be happy to have my family take care of the "slander" issues. " Is that a threat? Very unprofessional. BTW "slander" is spoken, "libel" is published in writing -- and it has to actually be an untruthful statement.

I also agree that the seller's quotes from the buyer only make me think she did try to make things work. She knew just by looking that the dog was not what she paid her money for, but she was willing to try until it became evident that the behavior problems were a dangerous risk to her small yorkie and maybe even her children.

I wonder at the not so subtle insinuations about bow insults and husband's ex-wife. If there is ex-wife/current wife relationship here, then who knows what to believe. But if a person wants to be a professional breeder, they had better make sure their word is gold and not sell dogs with very out of date pictures, nearly 2 pound weight difference, and aggression problems when they know the buyer has a small dog and small children. You just don't do that to the buyer or the dog. As another poster said, this is a dog that needs to go where she can be an only child and get some quality time resolving her behavior issues. It is a shame that the dog grew larger than any of the three mentioned owners wanted, did not have the "look" any of them were after, and had agression problems. But what a shame the poor dog still does not have a forever home and was needlessly shipped to the buyer who had different expectations. Instead of pawning her off on trusting people, the seller needs to find a home where she can have her special needs met.

You also don't post threats or be rude to customers. I think this was entirely unprofessional!

I believe the seller should return the purchase price and at least one way of the transportation cost, and the vet fees incurred by the buyer. These are just my opinions, which everyone has their own, and after all, that was what was asked for.

Such a shame that this happened on YT. Not only did this buyer decide buying from a YT member cannot be trusted, many others reading this will now not want to take the risk of buying from what was usually considered a reliable source -- yorkietalk members! This hurts all breeders. Maybe we could come up with a voluntary mediation program on YT. We have a company in our town that provides a service like that to individuals and businesses alike. Here we could have a board of some of the long-time members who have earned a good reputation. Each would hear out both sides and then come to a consensus with the other mediators as to their recommendation. Just an idea......

Originally Posted by jplovesjessy (Post 2543426)

Originally Posted by jplovesjessy (Post 2543426)

Originally Posted by jplovesjessy (Post 2543438)

Oh and since Christin seems to be battling in a competiton of wits.. Gina seems unarmed and a true liar. I have seen first hand. I have a wonderful puppy, wonderful breeder, and a GREAT contract. I wish one of the nurses that was there taking care of her dad had taken EMMA she wanted her dearly. She wouldn't have been put outside. Also do your research on her photos are you will see the "inside" one was the first day. The crappy one that shows her Scared to death and dirty is the one that was two days later.

Originally Posted by amandawash (Post 2543439)

Are you saying you saw Emma's first litter?

Originally Posted by jplovesjessy (Post 2543467)

Emma never had a litter...I looked at another litter of another dog she owned. NOR was she advertised as breeding stock as anyone can see in the ad. Your a judemental one and I saw you had posted nothing but nice comments for her before. What a shame. Hope no one does that to you.

Originally Posted by amandawash (Post 2543474)

This is a quote from the sale ad "Anyway she has never been bred. Though I did very much intend to breed her. She will make beautiful puppies."

How is that not advertising her as a breeding bitch?

Where were my nice comments from before?

Originally Posted by jplovesjessy (Post 2543482)

On other pic posts and wow are you saying you don't make nice posts. That is sad too! Let's see:

Breeding Bitch for sale ----there ya go. That would be a breeding bitch for sale post. Her saying she had intended to eventually breed her does not mean she was sold as a breeding bitch. She was looking for a "FOREVER" home for her.

Originally Posted by MindieRose (Post 2543472)

It is not a customers job to be professional, it's the "professional" breeders job to act as such.

It very well may be the same dog, just younger, and, like mentioned before, more of a "glamour shot" type of picture. Very deceptive about the food aggression and the weight indeed. Not to mention she charged WAY too much money. I would never sell someone a dog under such false pretenses. A dog is not going to change in looks so much in a matter of days, or even a month.

Originally Posted by jplovesjessy (Post 2543471)

Your full of crap because we talked for hours and in person about who, what , where, why.. would I be home enough..yada yada yada. If you let a dog get on your table that is gross in itself.

Originally Posted by hugz4all4 (Post 2543501)

Wow this is turning into a bashing session.. and what I read, was that the dog got up on the table in a moments notice to grab at the food on it, I didnt read anywhere that SHE LET THE DOG ON THE TABLE.
The op, doesnt have anyone else popping in and out of YT to try and jump on anyone that second guess's the sale of this dog.. so really who is the one not telling the truth??

The OP and the seller of the dog, needs to take this converstation else where..

Originally Posted by amandawash (Post 2543492)

You're grasping at straws now darlin', aren't you?

Too funny, some people. Shouldn't be long before this thread gets closed :cool:

To the OP- I *really* hope this "breeder" steps up and does the responsible thing. If her reputation and the MOST IMPORTANT THING- the welfare of Emma are of any concern to her, she'll do the right thing.

Originally Posted by jplovesjessy (Post 2543500)

I saw Emma and spent much time over there. There was NO food aggression. Made up excuse. Are you that gullible to believe one person's opinion? Please.

Originally Posted by Teiya (Post 2543518)

That's all I want. She deserves to be placed in the right home, not just any home. She should never have been sent here in the first place and I feel bad for her. If she wants to try to find her a home, I'm willing to foster her until she can locate one, but I do want my money back since she was misrepresented. I would be willing to split the shipping costs, which would mean even more of a financial loss to me, however, it's what's in her best interests. If the breeder really cares about her, she'd be willing to take a slight loss too.

I just want to be fair. We BOTH made a mistake. Mine because I didn't view the dog before the purchase (lesson learned) and hers because she didn't convey her true size, appearance and disposition before the sale.

Originally Posted by hugz4all4 (Post 2543525)

why are you doing all of the defending for the seller of the dog? why is she not here??? anyone else find that a little odd??? :confused:

Originally Posted by hugz4all4 (Post 2543525)

why are you doing all of the defending for the seller of the dog? why is she not here??? anyone else find that a little odd??? :confused:

Originally Posted by jplovesjessy (Post 2543513)

Actually if you re-read the post she said she does it all the time. I am offering my opinion just like everyone else is. Except showing sides for the seller.

Originally Posted by Teiya (Post 2542836)

She did. She refused to take paypal and even refused and EFT transfer from my bank to hers. The only form of payment she would accept is a wire transfer via money gram, which cost me an extra $70. I'll eat that and I'll eat the return shipping but I do think she should reimburse what she initially collected from me. However, based on her most recent purchase, and the emails crying poverty, I'm skeptical if I'd ever see my refund unless I collected it before sending the dog back. Which, for all intensive purposes, I would do without hestitation.