designer pups...???

[durtymydawg]

How many people have bred their BITCH Yorky more than once and if so to the same Stud dog??? Why would you if your not keeping an offspring and breeding it back in your program? Therefore breeding your bitch to one particular male multiple times would be fruitless, except for raising good quality pups to market...to sell to the public.

Also, someone said paying high prices like $3000 or $5000 is ridiculus, what if that particular dog was a show champion or had a pedigree full of champions whether it was AKC or UKC champs...wouldn't it be worthy of a higher dollar than your standard everyday yorky? Some yorkies are not as quality as others, and I understand everyone sees something different in there dog...but that is why we have a STANDARD.

And, what about the prices there getting for the "BIEWER" or "PARTI" yorkie? Also, what about yourselves selling them for so much $$$, if $$$ isn't a factor in the equation, then I want someone to sell me a BIEWER for pennies on the dollar and have it be full of champs and Reg. with a standard registry...not one that is like APRI?

Everyone out there breeding is breeding to sell pups at a reasonable price for what the market is calling for, if not, then they would be selling them for pennies on the $$. Instead of asking $1000 for a female then they would sell it for $200 and etc. Its human nature to want what is a fair price.

Just some more food for thought....

[lulababy]

I, too, believe there is a difference between a "mutt" and a crossbred dog. A mutt is, like someone said earlier, a dog of unknown descent. My mother has a yorkie chihuahua mix. She got him for a lot less than she would have spent on a pure yorkie or chi which was one of his appeals at the time--apart from being tiny and cute. She wanted a dog that would stay small and happened to like both breeds, so whatever he ended up as she felt she would like. He wasn't bred on purpose though, he was the outcome of two show dogs breeding by mistake at a show. A long haired chihuahua jumped into the yorkie mom's pen. He looks very much like a yorkie and acts like one, but I believe he has more of a chihuahua frame. Hes very small looking but he weighs 8 pounds. I hate when people call him a mutt... its so disrespectful. My aunt does this everytime she sees him. It seems... too loose a term, not to mention derogatory. We know who his parents were: a pure bred yorkie and a pure bred long haired chi. He is a cross and that is the definition of the term. I have no problem with people breeding crosses intentionally though... I think they can produce some interesting looking dogs.. and some people want that. They want the sponanteously and individuality of the crosses, but want a general idea of what they will look like and of their adult size. I've seen some really cute ones out there, and with some of them, the pure bred parents cannot compete looks wise. I saw this really cute pug/long-haired chi mix... the puppy had a softer pug face and was smaller than a normal pug--the size of a small chihuahua. It was so adorable. I totally wanted him but I went with getting Pebbles instead because I wanted some hair to comb

I also don't feel it is fair to throw the whole issue of dog overpopulation on the shoulders of people who breed crosses... the same could be said for people who breed any type of dog, including purebred dogs. I feel it would be beneficial to point out that in the cat breeding world, many new breeds start out as crosses... and like everyone said, even the yorkie is a product of a several other breeds being bred together. I feel there is some inherent value to the practice because of this. Good things have come of crosses! I agree there are a lot of unwanted dogs out there, but saying a purebred dog is acceptable to be bred (as opposed to crosses or "mutts") is also saying purebreds are somehow better than the other two and that seems somehow wrong to me. A dog is a dog, a life is a life, and I think breeding is breeding, end of story. Any qualms with breeding should apply to breeding all kinds, even purebreds!

[cesar49]

Originally Posted by durtymydawg

I know I'm going to get a butt chewin' but here goes anyway. This is my ??

What do people in general think about "DESIGNER PUPPIES" ??? I know there are ol' time breeders who hate it and some that like crossing the breeds, but was wondering what in general do people really think....??? I have heard some view points on this and have my own thoughts, but is it really that bad of a thing to do...?

thanks for your input...and remember be kind and civil...

HELLO.. i hope you can take the dishing on this subject..
mixing breeds should be done thoughtfully and with akc breeding
dogs with pedigrees..
then .. be careful what you mix..
grooming issues, and what will you call it?

i have yorkies and yorkipoos and .. and a splitter..
and a morkiepoo
so.. im sure that i am on the designer side of this issue..
not mixing is better..
but.. i love love love my yorkipoos.. they are my favorite..
especially the 2nd generation.. 75% yorkie and 25% poodle.
the maltese mix has to be groomed a lot..
yorkies are easier to groom..
but the poodle makes them smarter... so
that is my opinion

[cesar49]

Originally Posted by durtymydawg

How many people have bred their BITCH Yorky more than once and if so to the same Stud dog??? Why would you if your not keeping an offspring and breeding it back in your program? Therefore breeding your bitch to one particular male multiple times would be fruitless, except for raising good quality pups to market...to sell to the public.

Also, someone said paying high prices like $3000 or $5000 is ridiculus, what if that particular dog was a show champion or had a pedigree full of champions whether it was AKC or UKC champs...wouldn't it be worthy of a higher dollar than your standard everyday yorky? Some yorkies are not as quality as others, and I understand everyone sees something different in there dog...but that is why we have a STANDARD.

And, what about the prices there getting for the "BIEWER" or "PARTI" yorkie? Also, what about yourselves selling them for so much $$$, if $$$ isn't a factor in the equation, then I want someone to sell me a BIEWER for pennies on the dollar and have it be full of champs and Reg. with a standard registry...not one that is like APRI?

Everyone out there breeding is breeding to sell pups at a reasonable price for what the market is calling for, if not, then they would be selling them for pennies on the $$. Instead of asking $1000 for a female then they would sell it for $200 and etc. Its human nature to want what is a fair price.

Just some more food for thought....

if you have never experienced breeding, then it would be a real eye opener to
estimate the value of a puppy.. minimum 1200 each to cover the time and investments needed.. all puppies of any type, designer or purebreed
all valued the same imo i wish i could locate homes who could afford it..
the value is in the health and vitalty of the dogs..but most people dont have a CLUE.. they still go to petland and pay for puppymill puppies..
all the puppy lovers need to get some new laws to ban puppymills.
then reputable breeders will be in demand .. and the bitches in slavery can be set free..

[cesar49]

Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985

$5000 is an unreasonable price for any breed of dog, whether purebreed or mix. That can just serve as huge red flag that these are people wanting money than to breed their dogs to improve the breed. At least that's what I'd think after seeing that kind of price tag.

if a certain dog is more desirable and more rare.. then it makes sense that they would be worth more money..
as a breeder.. i would want to come out ahead..the money goes back into the breeding program.. to improve the lives of the dogs..

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by cesar49

if you have never experienced breeding, then it would be a real eye opener to
estimate the value of a puppy.. minimum 1200 each to cover the time and investments needed.. all puppies of any type, designer or purebreed
all valued the same imo i wish i could locate homes who could afford it..
the value is in the health and vitalty of the dogs..but most people dont have a CLUE.. they still go to petland and pay for puppymill puppies..
all the puppy lovers need to get some new laws to ban puppymills.
then reputable breeders will be in demand .. and the bitches in slavery can be set free..

Did I understand you correctly that it cost 1200 per puppy just to have a litter and raise them up to 12 weeks to be sold and earlier if it is a bigger breed? Lets see, on a small breed that has 5 puppies, then the total cost of raising that litter would be 6000. On a large breed with 10 pups that would cost the breeder 12000. And all of these costs are before any pup is sold? If that were true, then absolutely nobody could afford to breed dogs.

[DvlshAngel985]

Originally Posted by cesar49

if a certain dog is more desirable and more rare.. then it makes sense that they would be worth more money..
as a breeder.. i would want to come out ahead..the money goes back into the breeding program.. to improve the lives of the dogs..

I'm not setting a standard price, nor am I judging, just trying to understand(I have yet to have my first furry companion so I am not extremely familiar what prices are for "regular" pups and "rare" ones). But, if hypothetically, the minimum price for a dog bred by a responsible breeder with the health and well being of a puppy in mind and the breed was/is a minimum of $1200, isn't $5000 an extreme jump in price even for rare one? I'm not saying it's wrong, if anything if someone could afford a $5k pup, kuddos to them. If the price was set at $2000 and maybe up to $3000 per pup, for the champion lines or rare puppies that's still a $800-$1800 difference in price. Couldn't that be enough to put back into the breeding program?
And the whole rarity thing, I still don't get. Some of the bad breeders, whether byb or puppy mills use those terms like "rare", "super tiny" or "teacup", or "designer" to market their puppies. I thought those were terms that signal "Stay away! I'm only in this for the money!!!" Or is there a time when it's ok to label puppies a certain way? Again, it's a question as I have yet to experience breeding myself, or even life with a cute little one. Feel free to correct me or point out whatever it is I'm missing. After all I am here to learn!

[DvlshAngel985]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

Did I understand you correctly that it cost 1200 per puppy just to have a litter and raise them up to 12 weeks to be sold and earlier if it is a bigger breed? Lets see, on a small breed that has 5 puppies, then the total cost of raising that litter would be 6000. On a large breed with 10 pups that would cost the breeder 12000. And all of these costs are before any pup is sold? If that were true, then absolutely nobody could afford to breed dogs.

I was wondering that myself!

[kt_luvs_kitties]

I do not personally agree with cross breeding dogs. I think they are cute, but their are PLENTY of them in shelters.

Also, I feel bad for the people who believe that these are pure bred dogs, and then pay HUGE amounts for them!

Just about as bad as these skeezy people claiming to have "teacups"... Makes me want to scream!

I think the only responsible reason to breed is for the betterment of that breed... And I do not consider a mixed/cross breed to fall into that category. Sorry just my opinion.

But I guess if it was not these mixed breeds getting bred, I am positive these BYBs would be breeding purebred, just the same... As long as people buy them, they will keep breeding...

[DukesMommy]

Originally Posted by durtymydawg

How many people have bred their BITCH Yorky more than once and if so to the same Stud dog??? Why would you if your not keeping an offspring and breeding it back in your program? Therefore breeding your bitch to one particular male multiple times would be fruitless, except for raising good quality pups to market...to sell to the public.

Also, someone said paying high prices like $3000 or $5000 is ridiculus, what if that particular dog was a show champion or had a pedigree full of champions whether it was AKC or UKC champs...wouldn't it be worthy of a higher dollar than your standard everyday yorky? Some yorkies are not as quality as others, and I understand everyone sees something different in there dog...but that is why we have a STANDARD.

And, what about the prices there getting for the "BIEWER" or "PARTI" yorkie? Also, what about yourselves selling them for so much $$$, if $$$ isn't a factor in the equation, then I want someone to sell me a BIEWER for pennies on the dollar and have it be full of champs and Reg. with a standard registry...not one that is like APRI?

Everyone out there breeding is breeding to sell pups at a reasonable price for what the market is calling for, if not, then they would be selling them for pennies on the $$. Instead of asking $1000 for a female then they would sell it for $200 and etc. Its human nature to want what is a fair price.

Just some more food for thought....

Sure you want a fair price for what you are selling, but it gets to a point where the price is out of greed, not fairness.

[yorkieisme]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

The reason people made purebreds in the first place was so that the dog would be good at certain jobs, or look a certain way. With mixed breeds you're playing with many more genes, and it's harder to predict what the grown up dog will look like or its behavior traits. Anyone interested in buying mixed breeds should visit their local pound, there are many to choose from, and you can see what they will look like when full grown. Some of them are indeed beautiful, and already housebroken. I hope no one buys a mixed breed from a breeder; too many are being put to death each day.

I'm not being mean but shouldn't that also state if one would like to buy a purebred that they should also visit the pound? As was stated by another poster there are purebreds in the shelter too. I'm not for designer dogs, and normally I wouldn't even look at one's website if they did do designer pets but for some reason I did it yesterday, and all it comes down to is the eye of the beholder and what you feel is right. Also sometimes its harder to predict the behavior traits on purebred animals. You are still messing around with the gene pool when you breed two pure bred animals together. It could take months, years to see if that was a perfect match, which I find it hard to believe that some breeders wait around that long to breed another litter if it was a perfect match. I am a person that looks for the "AH" in a puppy, but the temperament of that puppy has to be right for me and my family. I have been to dog shows and some of them are so high strung I don't know how they are shown or win for that matter.

BTW I have been to the shelter, but most of them have health problems mainly heartworms and I can not take a pet on with such problems as that. As I am sure that others feel the same way when they go to one. When you buy from a breeder at least you get a little piece of feeling like you might get a non-aggressive, healthy pet. But dogs are like children, you don't know what weak genes they might have. My son has asthma, where did that come from? My husband nor I have asthma, but someone did most likely. Also I have a lost of hearing and do have to wear hearing aids, doctors stated mine is hereditary but no one knows from where.

Hope I didn't offend anyone

[yorkieisme]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

LOL I agree. However is it because they are dumb or because they are really smart. sometimes the smarter ones are the hardest to train because they can outhink you and they do not respond to treats and praise like other dogs.

HAHA, I so agree with you.

[ladyj]

Originally Posted by Chrissy0277

If you get one I would say be MAJOR PREPARED for lots of obedience training. I see at least a dozen every day and maybe one of them once in a blue moon is not a complete lunatic. They need more then your average grooming and cost a fortune to groom, if you dont keep up with grooming your dog is going to have to be shaved every single time, they matt up that quickly. 99 percent of them that I have groomed have been beyond nuts and are very hard to control. Dont get me wrong they are adorable as pups but if not PROPERLY trained they will make your life a living hell. I see so many owners who cannot control their golden doodles and Im going to say more so then anyother breed that I see daily

I met a golden doodle at my groomer's. She was huge, really huge, and absolutely gorgeous, but she didn't have any sense at all, wouldn't mind, gave my groomer fits trying to groom her. She was a couple of years old, so should have had some training by then. I said I'd love to have one and my groomer said "No, you wouldnt!" I have two very well-behaved Bichons and she said this dog would drive me nuts because she was out of control. She was beautiful though, the color of a golden with a long, wavy coat. She was very sweet, but had no manners, wouldn't stand still, jumped on everyone, barked and kept everything agitated.

[durtymydawg]

I met a golden doodle at my groomer's. She was huge, really huge, and absolutely gorgeous, but she didn't have any sense at all, wouldn't mind, gave my groomer fits trying to groom her. She was a couple of years old, so should have had some training by then. I said I'd love to have one and my groomer said "No, you wouldnt!" I have two very well-behaved Bichons and she said this dog would drive me nuts because she was out of control. She was beautiful though, the color of a golden with a long, wavy coat. She was very sweet, but had no manners, wouldn't stand still, jumped on everyone, barked and kept everything agitated

Doesn't that still raise a ?? about the training, how can you say in particular unless that person had said...."yah, i've done everything I can do and she still behaves this way...", then I could understand that its a genetic issue, but until then I would say may be its a lack of training. JMO...

[Chrissy0277]

Originally Posted by ladyj

I met a golden doodle at my groomer's. She was huge, really huge, and absolutely gorgeous, but she didn't have any sense at all, wouldn't mind, gave my groomer fits trying to groom her. She was a couple of years old, so should have had some training by then. I said I'd love to have one and my groomer said "No, you wouldnt!" I have two very well-behaved Bichons and she said this dog would drive me nuts because she was out of control. She was beautiful though, the color of a golden with a long, wavy coat. She was very sweet, but had no manners, wouldn't stand still, jumped on everyone, barked and kept everything agitated.

I'm grooming one right now as we speak. Well I'm taking a break and she's taking a break in her crate. My arms are bright red and bled in some spots from her jumping on me and scratching me. Very sweet but nuts. Still a baby and needs training but I don't think the owners want to listen to me I try and tell them everytime they come in when they ask when will they grow out of this crazy bad stage and I say the same thing. They need some training. Today is her first big girl hair cut and she's not fond of it. Well I'm going back for round two of the hair cut lol. Oh and they have a labradoodle too thank god she isn't getting a haircut. I don't think I'm up for both today lol