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YorkichonBella · 08-23-2008, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

The way I feel about it is, I HATE it. I think that to lable a mutt as a "designer dog" is very misleading. It seems to be nothing but feeding a fad and a way for "breeders" to pull a profit without having to worry about the pups being judged as quality because there is no standard, no guidelines to judge them to. I don't see alot of cons and basically no pros to the practice. I think it's a big gamble and for what? I don't understand what the goal of doing it is and am against any form of breeding "just because" you can. I think that for those wanting this type of dog, adopting one from a shelter is a better option.

As much as I enjoyed yesterday's trivia game....I have to say "as nice as it was to send "runner up" prizes": My Bella is a Yorkie/Bichon. This is a crossbreed, not a mutt which is of "unknown" descent And also not intended for use of derogatory meaning. Since you feel so strongly & Hate is a very strong word in any context....I think it appropriate not to send the prize our way. Thank you though.

BamaFan121s · 08-23-2008, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkichonBella

As much as I enjoyed yesterday's trivia game....I have to say "as nice as it was to send "runner up" prizes": My Bella is a Yorkie/Bichon. This is a crossbreed, not a mutt which is of "unknown" descent And also not intended for use of derogatory meaning. Since you feel so strongly & Hate is a very strong word in any context....I think it appropriate not to send the prize our way. Thank you though.

I think you misunderstood my post.

I have always used and heard the term "mutt" used to describe any dog that is not pure bred...I am truly sorry if that offended you. (I really didn't know there was a politically correct term that I should be using.) Yes, I hate anyone using their dogs as a main source of income and trying to pull in big $$$ from breeding dogs...ANY dogs, be they 'crossbreeds' or pure bred. For that I do not apologize. I have nothing against any dogs...the best dog I ever owned was a Heinz 57 who knows what. However, I do not see the purpose of purposely mixing breeds "just because" they are in demand with no regard for the long term effects those actions have. Thus far, I have yet to run into a breeder of 'designer dogs' who had a reason for doing so other than because "they're cute" or because "they sell." I don't think that any dog, regardless of breed is any lesser than the next, I just think there are alot of breeders who have questionable priorities. I am very sorry if I offended you or Miss Bella...that was certainly not my intention.

wildcard · 08-23-2008, 05:15 PM

The biggest advantage to purchasing or adopting a purebred dog is predictability. Most breeds were created with a purpose (generally a type of work) that underlies their current temperment, structure, and type. Even many of the toy breeds maintain the characteristics of the dogs that were used to develop them. Obviously not all dogs of a breed are identical but when considering a type of pet you can get a pretty good idea of what the dog will look like, how he or she will behave, etc. Esp. If you have information about the dogs in its pedigree. You will also know the general pros and cons of the breed healthwise.

When someone crossbreeds they are doubling these options and creating dogs that can look completely different from each other. So although Morkies are usually darn cute, they don't look alike even within a litter. Same with health and temperment issues, you end up all over the map. Consistency and predictability are sacrificed. To be honest, I just don't get the point of doing this.

I am in favor of the adoption of non-purebreds in shelters but please remember that many of those dogs are there due to behavioral issues that may very well be complicated by the inconsistencies in the breeding of multiple types of temperments combining into one dog. I see a lot of this wiith beagle mixes, they have the barking and digging issue to begin with and if you combine that with a high strung dog like a lab (I am speaking in generalities obviously) you are ending up with a dog with a lot of potential for behavioral issues and a challenge for any owner. Again, it may make an awesome dog for someone willing to take the time for training but in the wrong hands that adorable 8 week old puppy ends up the hard to handle 11 month old at the local humane society.

Nancy1999 · 08-23-2008, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkichonBella

As much as I enjoyed yesterday's trivia game....I have to say "as nice as it was to send "runner up" prizes": My Bella is a Yorkie/Bichon. This is a crossbreed, not a mutt which is of "unknown" descent And also not intended for use of derogatory meaning. Since you feel so strongly & Hate is a very strong word in any context....I think it appropriate not to send the prize our way. Thank you though.

Having owned mainly mutts over the years I love them, and I love the word mutt. I don't know if they were mixed breeds, cross breeds, designer dogs or purebreds, I called them pound puppies or mutts. So realize when some of us use the word "mutt", we mean extra special lovable dog.

YorkichonBella · 08-23-2008, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

I think you misunderstood my post.

I have always used and heard the term "mutt" used to describe any dog that is not pure bred...I am truly sorry if that offended you. (I really didn't know there was a politically correct term that I should be using.) Yes, I hate anyone using their dogs as a main source of income and trying to pull in big $$$ from breeding dogs...ANY dogs, be they 'crossbreeds' or pure bred. For that I do not apologize. I have nothing against any dogs...the best dog I ever owned was a Heinz 57 who knows what. However, I do not see the purpose of purposely mixing breeds "just because" they are in demand with no regard for the long term effects those actions have. Thus far, I have yet to run into a breeder of 'designer dogs' who had a reason for doing so other than because "they're cute" or because "they sell." I don't think that any dog, regardless of breed is any lesser than the next, I just think there are alot of breeders who have questionable priorities. I am very sorry if I offended you or Miss Bella...that was certainly not my intention.

The descriptions above happen not only with crossbreeds, but with purebred as well. I agree that there Are alot of breeders who have questionable priorities. Alot of wrong happens with breeding/selling yorkies, sadly so. But comments to this affect, in my opinion, is strongly accusing crossbreeds as being the Huge Problem. I don't feel it is right to say for those wanting a crossbreed to adopt from shelters. Why not adopt yorkies from shelters as well to alleviate the problems? You were interested in parti-colored yorkies/biewers? Which by the way, I think are gorgeous.

YorkichonBella · 08-23-2008, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Having owned mainly mutts over the years I love them, and I love the word mutt. I don't know if they were mixed breeds, cross breeds, designer dogs or purebreds, I called them pound puppies or mutts. So realize when some of us use the word "mutt", we mean extra special lovable dog.

yes, I do realize......that's why in my first post this was included:

I'm going to try to be polite so this is what I know:
The term "mutt" generally refers to a dog of unknown descent. It was originally not viewed to be derogatory. Some use this term with no disrespect, while others....well let's just say NOT!

Some now use it with derogatory meaning.

gardenyorkies · 08-23-2008, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Ladyhawk

I don't know anything about this breeder. I would never mix a Peke with a yorkie. Peke's have too many problems due to the elongated soft palette for me, why weaken the yorkie by bringing in that mess? Peke's have enough respiratory problems to contend with. Why would you cross them with a yorkie that has the highest incidence of Liver shunt out there? As a breeder I have enough work to do trying to imporve my breed and eliminate the health issues that it faces. When you mix you're opening a whole new can of worms. Why would you want to do that?

Thank you for posting this!...This is one of my biggest beefs with mixing breeds!...Please ask the breeders who are mixing breeds what their goals are?...What are they trying to achieve?...What are they doing to reach those goals?

BamaFan121s · 08-23-2008, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkichonBella

The descriptions above happen not only with crossbreeds, but with purebred as well. I agree that there Are alot of breeders who have questionable priorities. ut comments to this affect, in my opinion, is strongly accusing crossbreeds as being the Huge Problem.

You are right, it does happen with pure bred dogs as well I and feel just as strongly against breeding pure bred dog unethically as well. I don't think that unethical breeders of cross bred dogs are the only problem, but I do think it add to the problems of not enough emphasis on healthy breeding. ('Unethical' being the key word--I know there are some groups in Australia who have been breeding "Labrodoodles" for decades and have taken great care to to extensive research on the results, have formed a respected breed club and lobby for it to be accepted as it's own breed. THAT I have no problem with.) I just don't understand the "goal" and as of yet have not run across any such breeder that really even has one.

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Originally Posted by YorkichonBella

You were interested in parti-colored yorkies/biewers?

Never interested in partis, but do proudly own a Biewer...but the two are not exactly comparable to crossbreeds, IMO.

YorkichonBella · 08-23-2008, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

You are right, it does happen with pure bred dogs as well I and feel just as strongly against breeding pure bred dog unethically as well. I don't think that unethical breeders of cross bred dogs are the only problem, but I do think it add to the problems of not enough emphasis on healthy breeding. ('Unethical' being the key word--I know there are some groups in Australia who have been breeding "Labrodoodles" for decades and have taken great care to to extensive research on the results, have formed a respected breed club and lobby for it to be accepted as it's own breed. THAT I have no problem with.) I just don't understand the "goal" and as of yet have not run across any such breeder that really even has one.

Never interested in partis, but do proudly own a Biewer...but the two are not exactly comparable to crossbreeds, IMO.

Forgive me if I interpreted this thread incorrectly:
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...d-yorkies.html

BamaFan121s · 08-23-2008, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkichonBella

Forgive me if I interpreted this thread incorrectly:
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...d-yorkies.html

"Interested" as in I wanted to learn more about them? Yes, that is correct. Back in 2005 when I posted that thread, they were both new concepts to me....I'd never heard about them then. But I still don't see how being interested in learning more about Biewers/Partis relates to crossbred dogs?

Keely_momma · 08-23-2008, 06:36 PM

I honestly do not have a problem with the "designer dogs". But i have found that the breeders are in it just for the money, I wouldnt buy a Pure bred dog from a BYB any faster then i would a mutt, fo rthe simple fact that either way, they probably havent been vet checked, for help and temperment. BUt i would how eveer buy a 'Morkie' Or a "Labradoodle" From a breeder that was checking parents and puppies for health and temperment!

I think that A morkie(along with most other designer breeeds) will be recognized by kennel clubs all across the world.

YorkichonBella · 08-23-2008, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

"Interested" as in I wanted to learn more about them? Yes, that is correct. Back in 2005 when I posted that thread, they were both new concepts to me....I'd never heard about them then. But I still don't see how being interested in learning more about Biewers/Partis relates to crossbred dogs?

Well, I'm certainly, by no means knowledgeable of the standards/registry, etc. I do know that this topic is very controversial, as follows:
Yorkshire Terrier Club of America (Awards)
I'm not debating that. I just think it's sad that some are so brutually judgmental as to what others should/shouldn't do or want as a Loving "pet", who aren't concerned about registering, breeding, etc. I thought we were all here for the LOVE of DOGS!

Dina_Nichole · 08-23-2008, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkieisme

Well I'm with one other poster, there are many homeless pets in the shelter now. But I did come across this one breeder that mixed yorkies and pekingese and they were awesome looking babies. I don't think I would buy one, but if someone wanted to "give" me one I would take him/her in a second. Anyway I believe people are being told they do not have the health problems as the pure bred dogs have, and that is why they are buying them. But if you go on petfinder you will see many cross bred dogs up for adoption. Makes me wonder why.

I'm not sure how I truly feel about mixing breeds but I do know I hate the terms "mutts" and "designer." I personally think every single baby has something beautiful about them. I do hope that if someone is going to mix two breeds, then atleast make sure both babies are healthy. I wasn't even going to reply to this but then I noticed the comment about a pekingese and yorkie being bred together. I just had to smile because that would be like me getting my two favorite breeds in one baby.

Snoot is my peke and my girls the yorkies. However, the thought of these two breeds together would be interesting looking.

The_Lucky_Charm · 08-23-2008, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Ines3185lyorkie

I am not for someone making money because the dog is in "fashion".

BUT........ ALL DOGS THAT ARE NOW RECOGNIZED BY AKC..ETC..HAVE COME FROM MIXING OF BREEDS.

It is everybody's right to buy whatever dog type they want, they should not feel persecuted or ashamed for doing so. the only one that should judge anyone is GOD!

Okay, but it takes YEARS and YEARS, and a TON of dedication to create an actual new breed. Most, if not all (at *least* 95%) of these greeders are making these dogs for money, and nothing else. No regards to temperament, health, and absolutely not quality (no one wastes their high quality purebred on making a mutt litter).

Are you going to tell me that people that just don't care or don't want to learn about truth if "designer" dogs, the ones dying in shelters due to a backyard breeders/puppy mill's greed, the ones that are fad that are going to die out, shouldn't be ashamed? Those who regret it now, those are fine. Those who just don't care shouldn't have a dog in the first place.

yorkiekist · 08-23-2008, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by C C Kent

The trend is towards making a profit while not being judged by any standard. No record keeping, no way to say one breeder's Malti-Poo-Chi-Chon is better quality than another. How many of the breeders that are mixing breeds are dedicated to a new breed? Few if any.

A line from a movie seems to apply;

"Hey Mister, what're you sellin' ?"
Reply "Brother....I'm sellin' whatever your buyin' "

08-23-2008, 05:15 PM	#63
wildcard Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Indiana Posts: 236	The biggest advantage to purchasing or adopting a purebred dog is predictability. Most breeds were created with a purpose (generally a type of work) that underlies their current temperment, structure, and type. Even many of the toy breeds maintain the characteristics of the dogs that were used to develop them. Obviously not all dogs of a breed are identical but when considering a type of pet you can get a pretty good idea of what the dog will look like, how he or she will behave, etc. Esp. If you have information about the dogs in its pedigree. You will also know the general pros and cons of the breed healthwise. When someone crossbreeds they are doubling these options and creating dogs that can look completely different from each other. So although Morkies are usually darn cute, they don't look alike even within a litter. Same with health and temperment issues, you end up all over the map. Consistency and predictability are sacrificed. To be honest, I just don't get the point of doing this. I am in favor of the adoption of non-purebreds in shelters but please remember that many of those dogs are there due to behavioral issues that may very well be complicated by the inconsistencies in the breeding of multiple types of temperments combining into one dog. I see a lot of this wiith beagle mixes, they have the barking and digging issue to begin with and if you combine that with a high strung dog like a lab (I am speaking in generalities obviously) you are ending up with a dog with a lot of potential for behavioral issues and a challenge for any owner. Again, it may make an awesome dog for someone willing to take the time for training but in the wrong hands that adorable 8 week old puppy ends up the hard to handle 11 month old at the local humane society.

08-23-2008, 06:36 PM	#71
Keely_momma No Longer a Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Newfoundland Canada Posts: 392	I honestly do not have a problem with the "designer dogs". But i have found that the breeders are in it just for the money, I wouldnt buy a Pure bred dog from a BYB any faster then i would a mutt, fo rthe simple fact that either way, they probably havent been vet checked, for help and temperment. BUt i would how eveer buy a 'Morkie' Or a "Labradoodle" From a breeder that was checking parents and puppies for health and temperment! I think that A morkie(along with most other designer breeeds) will be recognized by kennel clubs all across the world.