Fair warning this is a RANT!

[mayfateleadyou]

Originally Posted by Bizzymammabee

Really it takes all kinds to make the world go round and I have to say I have seen some serious ignorance in this thread....not going to call out the person because we all see and hear that person loud and clear.

Spending a ton of money doesn't necessarily mean you will get the best damn dog you can...lots of supposed top notch breeders can have a different side to them as well. We saw that not so long ago with a breeder that was on here that was revered and there was another side to her and a couple very bad experiences for some people here on YT. There are lots of expensive breeders that sell dogs that are not what would be fully considered the best representation of the standard...the popularity of the yorkie breed has dictated the way the market has gone as far a pricing. I have also seen several breeders that charge decently and their dogs are way better representations of the breed than those big sellers. So as with anything it's buyer beware and do your homework.

Anyhow that being said....I paid less than $1200 for each of my girls and that was with their ship. Granted her breeder and I had become friends but it was still a good price and she regularly sells her pups for decent prices and works with a family if she sees that they are a good match for her babies. She is not a show breeder nor is she a puppy mill. She might be labled a back yard breeder by some of the overly zealous and rather opinionated folks on here but you know what....at the end of the day I have gotten two healthy girls from this person. She may not do all the millionss of testing that people suggest but her lines are healthy and sound. I wouldn't turn back the clock for a minute.

I really do think that people need to step back and think about how they are posting something. You can have an opinion but try to not be nasty getting your point or opinion across.

For greeders that only care about receiving the most for their dog and see it as a second income and not something done for the greater good ...well what goes around comes around. People will get the word out about you, your practices and prices and it will curb your market some. YT is so not the place to come on and show your true side because we will spread the word and it will definitely put a hurt on your business...we have done it in the past. Knowledge and and the YT grapevine goes a long way.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by magicgenie

I have top quality show dogs that are treated like royalty at my house. I'm not rich but have sufficient income from a job to have the means to take care of my dogs. I'm not one bit ashamed that I have to be paid for the work and expense of breeding. I cannot afford to do this as a public service for no money. I don't know what it is about dog breeding that makes people think we should be losing money at it, like we owe it to the world to provide affordable pets. Yes, the majority of my customers are either just plain rich or they have professional jobs with high incomes. They are mostly older people who have had dogs before, usually are replacing one that died of old age. Occasionally I sell a puppy to a young professional person who demonstrates an appreciation for the responsibilities of pet ownership and who has a good family support system in place. I deeply resent anyone telling me what I should be charging for my dogs. You don't pay my bills, so mind your own business!!!

Why dont you keep your opinions to yourself.

[magicgenie]

Originally Posted by red98vett

Whoa !!! There comes a time where some things just don't need to be written or said. There's many people who did NOT pay a ton of money (me being one of them) - that I'm sure are pretty offended by that blanket statement.....

Sure they are breeders throwing 2 dogs together - but that has nothing to do with this thread. The thread is about being a little nicer to someone on a budget. GOD - with the soaring economy and the cost of living - it must be SO nice to make so much money off the backs of your dogs...

sorry - but your statement was snobbish and in general - just mean. We all can't have showdogs - and I DO agree there are too many people breeding - but to call these dogs 'ugly and unsound' is just mean. This site is too big for comments like that....

I speak the plain truth. The Yorkshire Terrier has been carelessly overbred to fill a large demand from people who either cannot afford one or who otherwise choose to skimp on the cost of a good one. This practice is now endangering the integrity of the breed. We're seeing liver shunt, MVD, and luxating patellas in staggering numbers, and an abundance of dogs that are so far out of conformity to the breed standard that most people probably don't know what a real Yorkshire Terrier is supposed to look like.

[MyFairLacy]

Originally Posted by magicgenie

The Yorkshire Terrier has been carelessly overbred to fill a large demand from people who either cannot afford one or who otherwise choose to skimp on the cost of a good one. This practice is now endangering the integrity of the breed. We're seeing liver shunt, MVD, and luxating patellas in staggering numbers, and an abundance of dogs that are so far out of conformity to the breed standard that most people probably don't know what a real Yorkshire Terrier is supposed to look like.

I have to say that I very much agree with this statement. Yorkies are VERY overbred, and it's definitely hurting this wonderful breed

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by magicgenie

You're describing the kind of breeding that has produced .

My yorkie is 12 pounds and not show quality obviously but she is the far from ugly!

[celstu1]

Originally Posted by magicgenie

I speak the plain truth. The Yorkshire Terrier has been carelessly overbred to fill a large demand from people who either cannot afford one or who otherwise choose to skimp on the cost of a good one. This practice is now endangering the integrity of the breed. We're seeing liver shunt, MVD, and luxating patellas in staggering numbers, and an abundance of dogs that are so far out of conformity to the breed standard that most people probably don't know what a real Yorkshire Terrier is supposed to look like.

You know.. this is the first INFORMATIVE NICE thing you'd added to this thread. You could have said that from the begining instead of calling every cheap dog ugly or unsound.

YT is a wonderful place, full of info and mostly full of people who just love their yorkies, whether they be pet quality or show quality or breeding quality. You can't come on, new and start throwing out insults like that. Maybe YT could be a place where you could learn some things also.

I agree that when dogs are overbreed the quality of the breed goes down. Health problems occur and overall its just not a good thing. Thats what happened with Goldens years back.

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by magicgenie

I speak the plain truth. The Yorkshire Terrier has been carelessly overbred to fill a large demand from people who either cannot afford one or who otherwise choose to skimp on the cost of a good one. This practice is now endangering the integrity of the breed. We're seeing liver shunt, MVD, and luxating patellas in staggering numbers, and an abundance of dogs that are so far out of conformity to the breed standard that most people probably don't know what a real Yorkshire Terrier is supposed to look like.

I agree with this - and it's so sad and we ARE seeing more and more sick little yorkies - - but it's thanks to those breeders who are charging AND GETTING big bucks that caused so many to jump on the breeding for money bandwagon.....

Any 'Joe' on the street can see the prices for yorkies and figure "Hey - I can make a buttload of money selling yorkie puppies - LOOK HOW MUCH they go for !" .....so ...the cycle starts ....and they breed without a CLUE. The dogs suffer in the end and the people who love them.

[Deenie]

No matter how good planning you do, things can happen. This is true for everything in life. I pray to GOD nothing happens to Guinness that he would need $10K in vet bills because I don't think I'd be able to pay that, but my 15 yr old Cocker Spaniel could have done that, too, I don't regret one day adopting her and I don't regret my Guinness McLovin either.

nobody needs to inform me of my banking as long as I'm taking care of MY family, which includes my 2cats and 2 dogs and my 2 little boys. I'm continue to prepare for the worse the best way I can and hope for the very best.

This is a support board on how we can take care of our babies, and offer support for in case those bad situations DO happen.

[bchgirl]

Originally Posted by red98vett

I agree with this - and it's so sad and we ARE seeing more and more sick little yorkies - - but it's thanks to those breeders who are charging AND GETTING big bucks that caused so many to jump on the breeding for money bandwagon.....

Any 'Joe' on the street can see the prices for yorkies and figure "Hey - I can make a buttload of money selling yorkie puppies - LOOK HOW MUCH they go for !" .....so ...the cycle starts ....and they breed without a CLUE. The dogs suffer in the end and the people who love them.

Exactly.

And it's starting on biewers too...

[magicgenie]

Originally Posted by red98vett

I agree with this - and it's so sad and we ARE seeing more and more sick little yorkies - - but it's thanks to those breeders who are charging AND GETTING big bucks that caused so many to jump on the breeding for money bandwagon.....

Any 'Joe' on the street can see the prices for yorkies and figure "Hey - I can make a buttload of money selling yorkie puppies - LOOK HOW MUCH they go for !" .....so ...the cycle starts ....and they breed without a CLUE. The dogs suffer in the end and the people who love them.

We're not getting anywhere here. Someone put the idea in your head that dog breeding was supposed to be some kind of charity work. NOT. I breed because I'm still trying to create the perfect Yorkshire Terrier. This is very very expensive and time consuming. Few puppies make the final cut as show prospects and I NEED TO be paid for those that are sold as pets. That is how I raise the money to go to shows, pay big vet bills, buy expensive show dogs, pay the people who care for my dogs when I go the work to a job that I need to do to raise more money to cover more of the expenses. I can tell you that though my prices are not low, they are not nearly as high as they should be.

[Deenie]

Your point is getting lost in your delivery.

[bchgirl]

Originally Posted by Deenie

Your point is getting lost in your delivery.

Pretty shortly it'll be a moot point....

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by magicgenie

We're not getting anywhere here. Someone put the idea in your head that dog breeding was supposed to be some kind of charity work. NOT. I breed because I'm still trying to create the perfect Yorkshire Terrier. This is very very expensive and time consuming. Few puppies make the final cut as show prospects and I NEED TO be paid for those that are sold as pets. That is how I raise the money to go to shows, pay big vet bills, buy expensive show dogs, pay the people who care for my dogs when I go the work to a job that I need to do to raise more money to cover more of the expenses. I can tell you that though my prices are not low, they are not nearly as high as they should be.

LOL ! Where on earth did you see me say breeding should be charity work ? Breeders SHOULD BE COMPENSATED -

I know what it takes to be a breeder after talking and being around them for 6 years...which is why I'm NOT a breeder -

but, I AM a consumer. I see what's going on with 'certain' types of breeders. I'll say it again - if done right - it should cost a GOOD breeder who sells at a fair price - the same as a breeder who asks very very high prices. Either way - if both do the same things - tests etc - there isn't really that much difference in price .....yet one will price their puppies out of this world - and the other will look for the best home & sell at a fair price.

we're talking GOOD breeders here - not the average joe blow who seems to be popping up everywhere these days -

My comments were only about OVER pricing / pricing dogs right out of good homes.

[Woogie Man]

Wow!!!...what a charged topic. To me, the most important thing is health. A sick dog is never a bargain, no matter the price or pedigree. The thing about yorkies is that they change so much from puppy to adult. It's very hard to know what that cute puppy will turn out like so it's very easy to be misled about what you're actually getting. Looking at the parents only gets you so far and can be misleading. Health testing of the parents is no sure fire way to guarantee a healthy puppy. Liver shunt can skip many generations before being expressed in a pup. And just because a pup comes from show lines doesn't necessarily mean a better, healthier or cuter pup. Not all show line pups are show quality, some are far from it. The breed is less than 200 years old and many throwback traits are still being expressed. Line breeding to weed out undesirable traits can create set in health issues due to lack of genetic diversity. I think the best thing for the average buyer is to not buy a Yorkie pup less than 3 months old. By that time, you can get a fair idea of what the pup will look like as an adult. Of course, you must still find an honest breeder that is truthful about their dogs and doesn't just tell you what they think you want to hear. People without much experience with Yorkies are at such a disadvantage if they happen across a dishonest breeder. My experience has been that, with Yorkies, you get what you pay for, if you're lucky.

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by magicgenie

We're not getting anywhere here. Someone put the idea in your head that dog breeding was supposed to be some kind of charity work. NOT. I breed because I'm still trying to create the perfect Yorkshire Terrier. This is very very expensive and time consuming. Few puppies make the final cut as show prospects and I NEED TO be paid for those that are sold as pets. That is how I raise the money to go to shows, pay big vet bills, buy expensive show dogs, pay the people who care for my dogs when I go the work to a job that I need to do to raise more money to cover more of the expenses. I can tell you that though my prices are not low, they are not nearly as high as they should be.

If I were RICH ...I doubt you'd take that tone and speak those words.

am I right ?