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autumn star · 05-06-2008, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by chachi

Yeah I read your other post. You mark up the price because they are tinies. I think that breeders like that are unethical and just out for money

Good post!!!!

magicgenie · 05-06-2008, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Belamia

this is a delicate posting... it may hurt someone by tring to defend others....
It all depends where you live and all ... i read the post about expenses.... in my neighborhood a c-sections cost over 1500.00 .... an emergency vet call to angel memorial hospital is 126.00 just to walk in... i have a friend who mistakenly bred her "mixed" with another mix of some kind... she tought she would have cute puppies and ended up with a crazy bill and mixed puppies are cheap... she is never doing it ever again.... besides who wanted pay for her puppies, she gave them away to her closest... for free...
I also read about the insurances.... it is a great idea.....

lastellaequi · 05-06-2008, 09:23 AM

I agree that this is a sensitive subject...we should all try to be nicer when we say things to one another on this site, especially when it comes to money. I think that's mainly what the initial problem was.

Nancy1999 · 05-06-2008, 09:23 AM

If you are on a tight budget, it's even more important to buy your pet from a reputable breeder, and by reputable, I mean a breeder who does the required health checks. Why reward unethical breeders when you can save up, and get a yorkie from a breeder who is contentious and actually trying to improve the breed. Because of their popularity, and the fact that they have been over bred; yorkies have more health risks than many other breeds. I think people are saying that if you can't afford the few hundred extra dollars to buy from an ethical breeder, maybe you can't afford a yorkie at this time. Yorkies cost more on a monthly basis than other dogs, even if you do the grooming, the cost for supplies can be substantial for someone on a tight budget. In addition, yorkies need more dental care, and because of their fragile nature, injuries are more likely to require a trip to the emergency room rather than waiting for a normal vets office to open .You say you can afford to make monthly payments to your vet for treatment, and I'm suggesting that these payments be saved and used for the purchase price.

I was glad to be informed of these things because I think our best decisions come about when we are fully informed on in issue. I'm not saying these things because I'm a snob, but as someone on a budget.

chachi · 05-06-2008, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by magicgenie

I have top quality show dogs that are treated like royalty at my house. I'm not rich but have sufficient income from a job to have the means to take care of my dogs. I'm not one bit ashamed that I have to be paid for the work and expense of breeding. I cannot afford to do this as a public service for no money. I don't know what it is about dog breeding that makes people think we should be losing money at it, like we owe it to the world to provide affordable pets. Yes, the majority of my customers are either just plain rich or they have professional jobs with high incomes. They are mostly older people who have had dogs before, usually are replacing one that died of old age. Occasionally I sell a puppy to a young professional person who demonstrates an appreciation for the responsibilities of pet ownership and who has a good family support system in place. I deeply resent anyone telling me what I should be charging for my dogs. You don't pay my bills, so mind your own business!!!

Sorry but I dont know any breeders on here that brag about the fact that they mark up their prices so that only people of higher incomes can afford them. Your a piece of work for sure

red98vett · 05-06-2008, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by magicgenie

I basically only sell my puppies to rich grownups who have houses and have had dogs before. That eases my mind a lot about how they will be treated after they leave my home.

I mean this in a nice way - but holy cow - I'm not rich and a great mom to my girls. They get everything they need and are very very loved. I don't think being 'rich' should EVER be a criteria for selling a dog - besides - rich people travel - do things that the average person doesn't do - so how do you really know these dogs are in the so called 'best home' ? Most really rich people I know are hardly ever home. they travel ........alot.....

the other thing that bothers me is I guess based on what I just read here is by selling to rich folk - you can ask & get top dollar ?

I'll just be quiet now - I hope people on this site LEARN TO DO THEIR RESEARCH BEFORE BUYING A DOG - expensive does NOT mean better...there are many good breeders with average prices that do very well and deeply care about where their puppies go....whether it be a rich homes or a just plain NICE home....It's the people that take care of the dogs - not the $$$$ they have

magicgenie · 05-06-2008, 09:29 AM

Now you're embellishing what I wrote to advance your own agenda. I never said I mark up my prices so that only rich people can have my dogs. I don't sell to anybody who appears to be either too poor or too stingy to provide proper care. I'm not one bit ashamed of that.

red98vett · 05-06-2008, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by chachi

Sorry but I dont know any breeders on here that brag about the fact that they mark up their prices so that only people of higher incomes can afford them. Your a piece of work for sure

It bugs the heck out of me to see some of the prices out there. Makes it harder for good homes to have a yorkie not to mention how ripped off people are getting. Some people just don't know any better and think paying more must mean better - yeah right.

A breeder who sells to regular homes and a breeder who sells only to the rich incur the SAME COSTS....don't even try to tell anyone different.

lastellaequi · 05-06-2008, 09:33 AM

I get where you're coming from saying you should try to get the dog from a good breeder. Really, the way you worded it was much better than the way it was worded initially which, if you haven't read the post, you'd see was kind of rude. I also agree, that it's soooo important to get a healthy dog, and that you shouldn't skimp on the price just to get the dog without thinking about it's health. However, there's nothing wrong with trying to find a healthy Yorkie, from a good breeder, that you can afford. I don't think JUST the price determines if the breeder is ethical...this is why:
When I first started looking for my Yorkie, I went to pet stores, ( I didn't know any better) and they were VERY expensive there. Then I found Yorkietalk, and I found a breeder who was HIGHLY recommended by many members on this site. I almost, almost got an older puppy from her but decided not to last minute because I wanted a younger puppy. Come to find out, she had been selling really sick dogs, some which had even died, and was being really weird about paperwork etc. Now, I would've paid more for that puppy then the one I got but, who knows what condition he would've been in? There are some breeders out there, who are actually kind, and who are willing to work with someone who they think is the right home for their puppies. Not to say that those who ask for high prices for their dogs are unkind, but it should be for the right reasons. The price between a show dog and a pet dog should be different, and I don't believe people should charge more for a dog just because it'll grow up to be smaller...that's shady to me.

chachi · 05-06-2008, 09:34 AM

This is what you wrote on another thread : I'm very grateful for the premium price some clients are willing to pay for the novelty of this tiny Yorkie.

lastellaequi · 05-06-2008, 09:38 AM

"You don't pay my bills, so mind your own business!!!"> lol that's funny considering you're telling people how much they should pay for their yorkies

magicgenie · 05-06-2008, 09:43 AM

What the $%** is wrong with that? That is nothing like saying the prices go up for rich people. You conveniently omitted the part of the post where I say two of the puppies are on the large side and will have to be sold for less. It still amazes me that at least half the inquiries I get are from people who want one that will mature under 4 lbs. Ir's very rare to get a good one that size, so what is bad about taking more money for her. I'm the one who went without sleep and had to hire people to feed her every 3 hours the first four weeks of her life.

magicgenie · 05-06-2008, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by lastellaequi

"You don't pay my bills, so mind your own business!!!"> lol that's funny considering you're telling people how much they should pay for their yorkies

If you can find a good Yorkie for $700 you should buy it. I haven't seen any good ones for that in about 15 years.

autumn star · 05-06-2008, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by magicgenie

If you can find a good Yorkie for $700 you should buy it. I haven't seen any good ones for that in about 15 years.

Well then maybe you should check out my album and look at my Autumn, that is what I paid for her and she is BEAUTIFUL and as healthy as a horse!!!!

mayfateleadyou · 05-06-2008, 09:52 AM

So as some are obviously proving my point on my own thread.....rich people please....... I am more trying as has been stated above to simply to keep people from being rude to one another about this subject. Money is a touchy subject anywhere. You dont go to you neighbor and say so how much money do you have in the bank? You also shouldnt insult people because they want to spend only a certain point. Yes tell them the vet bills are expensive in emergencies but so are they with A LOT of other dogs. But dont put them down show them a way,like pet insurance, that will help them along their path of make a life better for their babies. As I have said. I live on a low budget but still have the money to spend on my babies. It is a matter of being a smart shopper. Show them where the good deals are to buy stuff. Dont just atumatically insult or be rude. That is not what YT is about and if it is it makes me not want to be a part of this community. I am a donating member and am on here everyday reading peoples posts and dont speak up very often. But seeing people being rude because people have a budget below a 1000 to buy a dog makes me want to walk away from this site. A site I have met really nice people on and got SO much knowledge from. But that is what we should be constently spreading is knowledge......not anger fustration or down right rudeness.

05-06-2008, 09:23 AM	#48
lastellaequi YT Addict Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Westchester NY Posts: 277 Blog Entries: 4	I agree that this is a sensitive subject...we should all try to be nicer when we say things to one another on this site, especially when it comes to money. I think that's mainly what the initial problem was. __________________ I love Pancho

05-06-2008, 09:23 AM	#49
Nancy1999 I ♥ Joey & Ralphie! Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arizona Posts: 25,396 Blog Entries: 2	If you are on a tight budget, it's even more important to buy your pet from a reputable breeder, and by reputable, I mean a breeder who does the required health checks. Why reward unethical breeders when you can save up, and get a yorkie from a breeder who is contentious and actually trying to improve the breed. Because of their popularity, and the fact that they have been over bred; yorkies have more health risks than many other breeds. I think people are saying that if you can't afford the few hundred extra dollars to buy from an ethical breeder, maybe you can't afford a yorkie at this time. Yorkies cost more on a monthly basis than other dogs, even if you do the grooming, the cost for supplies can be substantial for someone on a tight budget. In addition, yorkies need more dental care, and because of their fragile nature, injuries are more likely to require a trip to the emergency room rather than waiting for a normal vets office to open .You say you can afford to make monthly payments to your vet for treatment, and I'm suggesting that these payments be saved and used for the purchase price. I was glad to be informed of these things because I think our best decisions come about when we are fully informed on in issue. I'm not saying these things because I'm a snob, but as someone on a budget. __________________ NancyJoey Proud members of the CrAzYcLuB and YAP! ** Just Say No to Puppymills – Join YAP! Yorkshire Terrier Club of America – Breeder Referrals

05-06-2008, 09:33 AM	#54
lastellaequi YT Addict Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Westchester NY Posts: 277 Blog Entries: 4	I get where you're coming from saying you should try to get the dog from a good breeder. Really, the way you worded it was much better than the way it was worded initially which, if you haven't read the post, you'd see was kind of rude. I also agree, that it's soooo important to get a healthy dog, and that you shouldn't skimp on the price just to get the dog without thinking about it's health. However, there's nothing wrong with trying to find a healthy Yorkie, from a good breeder, that you can afford. I don't think JUST the price determines if the breeder is ethical...this is why: When I first started looking for my Yorkie, I went to pet stores, ( I didn't know any better) and they were VERY expensive there. Then I found Yorkietalk, and I found a breeder who was HIGHLY recommended by many members on this site. I almost, almost got an older puppy from her but decided not to last minute because I wanted a younger puppy. Come to find out, she had been selling really sick dogs, some which had even died, and was being really weird about paperwork etc. Now, I would've paid more for that puppy then the one I got but, who knows what condition he would've been in? There are some breeders out there, who are actually kind, and who are willing to work with someone who they think is the right home for their puppies. Not to say that those who ask for high prices for their dogs are unkind, but it should be for the right reasons. The price between a show dog and a pet dog should be different, and I don't believe people should charge more for a dog just because it'll grow up to be smaller...that's shady to me. __________________ I love Pancho

05-06-2008, 09:34 AM	#55
chachi I Love My Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana Posts: 37,147	This is what you wrote on another thread : I'm very grateful for the premium price some clients are willing to pay for the novelty of this tiny Yorkie. __________________ Chachi's & Jewels Mom Jewels http://www.dogster.com/?132431 Chachi http://www.dogster.com/?132427

05-06-2008, 09:38 AM	#56
lastellaequi YT Addict Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Westchester NY Posts: 277 Blog Entries: 4	"You don't pay my bills, so mind your own business!!!"> lol that's funny considering you're telling people how much they should pay for their yorkies __________________ I love Pancho

05-06-2008, 09:29 AM	#52
magicgenie Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: England Posts: 819	Now you're embellishing what I wrote to advance your own agenda. I never said I mark up my prices so that only rich people can have my dogs. I don't sell to anybody who appears to be either too poor or too stingy to provide proper care. I'm not one bit ashamed of that.

05-06-2008, 09:43 AM	#57
magicgenie Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: England Posts: 819	What the $%** is wrong with that? That is nothing like saying the prices go up for rich people. You conveniently omitted the part of the post where I say two of the puppies are on the large side and will have to be sold for less. It still amazes me that at least half the inquiries I get are from people who want one that will mature under 4 lbs. Ir's very rare to get a good one that size, so what is bad about taking more money for her. I'm the one who went without sleep and had to hire people to feed her every 3 hours the first four weeks of her life.

05-06-2008, 09:52 AM	#60
mayfateleadyou No Longer a Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: tuscaloosa Posts: 779	So as some are obviously proving my point on my own thread.....rich people please....... I am more trying as has been stated above to simply to keep people from being rude to one another about this subject. Money is a touchy subject anywhere. You dont go to you neighbor and say so how much money do you have in the bank? You also shouldnt insult people because they want to spend only a certain point. Yes tell them the vet bills are expensive in emergencies but so are they with A LOT of other dogs. But dont put them down show them a way,like pet insurance, that will help them along their path of make a life better for their babies. As I have said. I live on a low budget but still have the money to spend on my babies. It is a matter of being a smart shopper. Show them where the good deals are to buy stuff. Dont just atumatically insult or be rude. That is not what YT is about and if it is it makes me not want to be a part of this community. I am a donating member and am on here everyday reading peoples posts and dont speak up very often. But seeing people being rude because people have a budget below a 1000 to buy a dog makes me want to walk away from this site. A site I have met really nice people on and got SO much knowledge from. But that is what we should be constently spreading is knowledge......not anger fustration or down right rudeness.