Sparta shows defiance :(

[teacup0819]

Originally Posted by beecee

So are you guys saying this is a troll? Oh man, boo! People are so screwed up...I swear...

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

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[Kaos]

Originally Posted by Taryn0405

Then again, you're comparing human comprehension to a dog. Dogs do not understand like a human that they're getting spanked because they did something they shouldn't have. There is not that mental connection!!

Once again, your methods of hitting aren't working for this pet! So why to you insist on trying to stick with them??

Originally Posted by This Is Sparta

im real, ive never been here before and and i really do own a yorkie-poo named Sparta.

geesh you guys have an extremely low tolerance level for people that have different views than your own.

If your "real" then I feel extremely bad for your little yorkie, and the future she has ahead of her. You were provided GREAT advice by yorkietalkjilly and instead of implementing change you still think your ways are correct.

Let me give you a bit of advice though. Hitting a dog does not establish pack leadership. It only establishes FEAR. Being the alpha (I'm guessing you already know that male AND female dogs can be alpha so I won't address that) involves being the pack leader in EVERY thing you do!

-the way the dog is fed
-the way the dog is played with
-who crosses doorways first
-where the dog is when YOU eat
-being invited up vs. jumping in your lap
-where the dog sleeps
-where the dog is when you are walking

Secondly dogs don't roll up magazines and hit each other. The correction you are trying to copy as pack leader, is not the same thing! The alpha provides a swift, sharp correction to the pack. The alpha is not "spanking" the dog, it is REDIRECTING its pack. Which can just as easily be done with a water bottle.

I can go on and on... I knew NOTHING about training yorkies when I got Kaos, but I am VERY versed in pack leadership. My rottweiler was 100% different than my yorkie. I learned that yorkies need A LOT of nurturing, (more so than any other breed I've owned) but will in return do ANY thing for you. You need to change your ways now, before you traumatize this dog for the rest of her life.

Oh and your wrong I only have an extremely low tolerance for ignorance, I am open to others views.

[This Is Sparta]

Originally Posted by Kaos

If your "real" then I feel extremely bad for your little yorkie, and the future she has ahead of her. You were provided GREAT advice by yorkietalkjilly and instead of implementing change you still think your ways are correct.

Let me give you a bit of advice though. Hitting a dog does not establish pack leadership. It only establishes FEAR. Being the alpha (I'm guessing you already know that male AND female dogs can be alpha so I won't address that) involves being the pack leader in EVERY thing you do!

-the way the dog is fed
-the way the dog is played with
-who crosses doorways first
-where the dog is when YOU eat
-being invited up vs. jumping in your lap
-where the dog sleeps
-where the dog is when you are walking

Secondly dogs don't roll up magazines and hit each other. The correction you are trying to copy as pack leader, is not the same thing! The alpha provides a swift, sharp correction to the pack. The alpha is not "spanking" the dog, it is REDIRECTING its pack. Which can just as easily be done with a water bottle.

I can go on and on... I knew NOTHING about training yorkies when I got Kaos, but I am VERY versed in pack leadership. My rottweiler was 100% different than my yorkie. I learned that yorkies need A LOT of nurturing, (more so than any other breed I've owned) but will in return do ANY thing for you. You need to change your ways now, before you traumatize this dog for the rest of her life.

Oh and your wrong I only have an extremely low tolerance for ignorance, I am open to others views.

Wow, youre cool.

so im done with this discussion, or argument cause thats what you guys turned it into.

[Ashley V]

I don't know why you are comparing a dog and a child - you spank a child, you can explain to them the reasons behind it (ex. you are getting spanked because ______). Humans can communicate verbally. We don't have that connection with a dog and their thinking is totally different too. All that dog knows is that there is this large creature coming at me and hitting me with something that hurts. They learn to fear you and in turn can become either scared or aggressive. They do not associate "Oh I peed on the floor, owner is mad, I get spanked. Hmm... maybe I shouldn't do that again." Dogs can be trained without hitting. They can be trained with consistency and patience. When training my oldest yorkie, we used a crate. The moment he'd come out of his crate, we'd take him to his pee pad and he was not allowed to leave it until he peed. Shortly after he ate and drank anything, same thing. When we were relaxing around the house we watched him 100% of the time and learned his signals that he needed to pee. When we'd see the signals, he was taken to his pee pad. If we caught him trying to pee else where a loud (non yelling), firm "AH AH!" or "NO!" would stop him and we'd take him to his pee pad. If we could not watch him or were not at the house, he was in his crate. He was trained in about 2 weeks and now will pee on a pad or outside. Not once did we yell or hit him, but we gave a ton of praise and gave him a treat for doing what he needed to do. I feel sorry for any dog that "needs" to be hit in order to be trained because when that dog turns around and bites the owner or someone else, guess who gets blamed and usually PTS - the dog. Why? Because it was "aggressive". Why is the dog "aggressive"? Because it is afraid because it was hit. Start using consistency and positive reinforcement and you will start to see a different side of your dog, believe me. She is still very young and the damage can be reversed, but she'll need to learn to trust you before, so you'll have to be patient. I own a dog that was obviously hit and abused and only after 6 months of him dealing with that, it's taken me 4 years to reverse the damage done to him and while he's come a long way, I still see the effects of what it's done to him. Do Sparta a favor and stop hitting her.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by This Is Sparta

im real, ive never been here before and and i really do own a yorkie-poo named Sparta.

geesh you guys have an extremely low tolerance level for people that have different views than your own.

No just ones who hit there dog.................

[Evenflo09]

I'm sorry, but it seems to me that you DON'T really want help at all. You've also lumped in all posters together as if all comments or advice were terrible to you. I posted my advice to you in a friendly manner with no harsh words except to advise do not hit the dog with anything. Why did you even ask for help if you don't want to try it? Why not try it? If you really want the help, then ignore what you consider to be rude comments, take the good advice and try it out! If your way is not working, then this way might! You also are accusing us of projecting HUMAN emotions on our pets, but you yourself are doing it when you say the dog comes back begging for forgiveness, forgiveness is a HUMAN emotion! There are some emotions that animals and people share by the way, fear and love being among them. Dogs are pack animals just like wolves and even the omega wolf in a pack will still stay with the pack, submit and accept a beating. Doesn't mean he likes it though, he is just in FEAR! This is what many are trying to say to you. If the fear of you isn't working, and it isn't working because the dog is growling, snapping, whatever you say she's doing, then just TRY the advise given here in the posts and see what happens. It may also turn out to be less work for you in the long run with less training time. Your original purpose is advice on training, but now only seem to be concerned with defending your methods ( which are not working and why you posted to start with ). If you don't at least try some of the advise given here, then I would say there is a troll among us.

[DvlshAngel985]

Even if you are done with this discussion, I just wanted to point out one thing to you. No training, regardless of the method works overnight. It takes patience and persistent. If you have patients, a strict schedule to follow, and praise the good you'll see results. It's not overnight, but you will have a happy, trained yorkie.

Also, hitting can lead to submissive urination which is a problem in and of itself. The dog pees out of fear. That is harder to correct. If you hit/spank a dog that pees out of fear, it will only get worse. The only way to fix that is to gain their trust again. That takes months or years. My pup was adopted at 12 months. He was potty trained by his previous home, but he had that submissive urination problem. It took me about a year to fix that. You don't want to go through that. It's frustrating, and the pups don't understand why.

[Kaos]

Originally Posted by This Is Sparta

Wow, youre cool.

so im done with this discussion, or argument cause thats what you guys turned it into.

LOL

[LuvTaycieGirl]

All I can say is WOW!!! You have got to be kidding me. I am so sorry Sparta.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by This Is Sparta

Wow, youre cool.

so im done with this discussion, or argument cause thats what you guys turned it into.

This is your response

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

This is your response

That's because there's no defense for hitting a dog.

[RachelandSadie]

this thread is crazy, but to anyone reading, anyone that can strike a little tiny dog and see the fear in their eyes when you swing that arm towards them is evil IMHO. I've seen Bentley scared to death over me coming towards him too fast because he thought I was going to hit him that I would never ever understand someone hitting a dog. Bentley was probably abused in his previous home because of the fear he has and his cowering behaviors even if you just walk towards him angry or upset. i've never hit him and yet he's still frightened sometimes when i come too close too fast. seeing a dog suffer in fear because someone else used to bring them harm and watching how they cower with you when you've never hit them or hurt them in anyways breaks my heart. knowing he's still afraid of whatever they did to him and thinks i would do it to him too kills me.

hitting isn't ok. it's damaging, scars them for life, and it's WRONG and animal abuse.

there is a HUGE difference between spaking a child that can comprehend discipline and hitting a dog that can't comprehend anything other than that a person brings hurt to them for some reason.

[LuvTaycieGirl]

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie

this thread is crazy, but to anyone reading, anyone that can strike a little tiny dog and see the fear in their eyes when you swing that arm towards them is evil IMHO. I've seen Bentley scared to death over me coming towards him too fast because he thought I was going to hit him that I would never ever understand someone hitting a dog. Bentley was probably abused in his previous home because of the fear he has and his cowering behaviors even if you just walk towards him angry or upset. i've never hit him and yet he's still frightened sometimes when i come too close too fast. seeing a dog suffer in fear because someone else used to bring them harm and watching how they cower with you when you've never hit them or hurt them in anyways breaks my heart. knowing he's still afraid of whatever they did to him and thinks i would do it to him too kills me.

hitting isn't ok. it's damaging, scars them for life, and it's WRONG and animal abuse.

there is a HUGE difference between spaking a child that can comprehend discipline and hitting a dog that can't comprehend anything other than that a person brings hurt to them for some reason.

I COMPLETELY agree!!!!!!

Side story here, My sister worked with a man who is a an amazing horseman. He used to work on the old John Wayne movies. I am telling you this man is brillant. Yes, I know, dogs are not horses.. but when I went for a riding lesson the best advice he ever gave me was,

"Animals do not rationalize. They do not understand why you are getting upset with them, but they do respond to kind words and gentle hands."

Now.. if that doesn't makes sense then I don't know what does.

[silverjoy]

Originally Posted by luvtayciegirl

I completely agree!!!!!!

Side story here, my sister worked with a man who is a an amazing horseman. He used to work on the old john wayne movies. I am telling you this man is brillant. Yes, i know, dogs are not horses.. But when i went for a riding lesson the best advice he ever gave me was,

"animals do not rationalize. They do not understand why you are getting upset with them, but they do respond to kind words and gentle hands."

now.. If that doesn't makes sense then i don't know what does.

amen!!!