Sparta shows defiance :(

[teacup0819]

You have had this poor pup only 5 days and you think she is being defiant...OMG.

I have to say that if you hit me with a magazine, yelled and tugged at me .... I would be more than defiant .... I might even bite you in the @ss.

Hopefully you will listen to the great advice given by others here. Yorkies are not like german shepards and other pups and yours is too new to understand what you want her to do.

[ladyjane]

all too familiar .........................

[This Is Sparta]

i dont understand why you guys are comparing a canine to yourselves as human beings. OBVIOUSLY if i hit you youre gonna react and get mad and all that other nonsense you guys are saying. BUT if I give a little spanking to a 2 to 8 year old human that human child is not going to react like you adults, that human child is going to understand that he did something bad, so please stop saying how you would obviously react if i would hit you, because you are not a dog and you never will be.

and believe me, ive never heard of a human child (including myself) react to a gentle spanking in anger and hitting back and whatever you guys wanna do back to me.

and im sorry for the people who got abused, but thats what it was "abuse" a spanking is a spanking, HUGE difference. if your parents abused you then you dont really know what a spanking is.

[yorkietalkjilly]

But hitting a dog only scares it and does the opposite of what you want. That isn't training at all. Training is all those things I mentioned in my post - positive reinforcement and repetition and lots of patience. Dogs and many animals react to fight or flight and have other similar responses to humans to many things and fear is one of them.

[beecee]

Originally Posted by This Is Sparta

i dont understand why you guys are comparing a canine to yourselves as human beings. OBVIOUSLY if i hit you youre gonna react and get mad and all that other nonsense you guys are saying. BUT if I give a little spanking to a 2 to 8 year old human that human child is not going to react like you adults, that human child is going to understand that he did something bad, so please stop saying how you would obviously react if i would hit you, because you are not a dog and you never will be.

and believe me, ive never heard of a human child (including myself) react to a gentle spanking in anger and hitting back and whatever you guys wanna do back to me.

and im sorry for the people who got abused, but thats what it was "abuse" a spanking is a spanking, HUGE difference. if your parents abused you then you dont really know what a spanking is.

Wow, you really don't want to learn how to train this puppy or take any advice at all. Not really sure why you would want a dog if it causes you so much distress. 4 month old puppies aren't defiant, they are puppies.

My dad was an old school trainer too...papers, slippers, hand...one thing all his dogs had in common was random aggression. They were super well trained but every once in a while...they got aggressive when someone other than my dad tried to train them. Aggression breeds aggression.

I am looking forward to your postings a year from now (Vet bills for damages caused, aggression issues, shyness and anxiety in little Sparta)

Instead of lashing out saying what you're doing is right...maybe take some advice from those who have dogs that are not defiant and don't use your old school training routines.

If you insist on using physical punishment you need to know the "right" way to do it...although I disagree with it completely! However, there seems to be no changing your mind.

Here are some tips and some advice:
Using Physical Punishments in Training Your Dog

Again, I am totally against it but if you're insistent on it you may as well know what to do and what not to do.

I apologize to other YT members for posting this. And for those of you looking at this thread after getting a new puppy...do not use physical punishment for your dog...there are a million better ways to train an animal.

[This Is Sparta]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

But hitting a dog only scares it and does the opposite of what you want. That isn't training at all. Training is all those things I mentioned in my post - positive reinforcement and repetition and lots of patience. Dogs and many animals react to fight or flight and have other similar responses to humans to many things and fear is one of them.

i like the way youre talking to me, thanks. we have different views but youre not like the others.

this is the way im looking at it, shes not so much scared as she is worried that she did something wrong, i mean, after all that being "scared" shes right in my arms again after about 15 minutes that i will not play with her for being bad. and right after i spank her shes following me all over the place seemingly wanting forgiveness.

i dont know, thats just the way i see it

[Taryn0405]

Originally Posted by This Is Sparta

i dont understand why you guys are comparing a canine to yourselves as human beings. OBVIOUSLY if i hit you youre gonna react and get mad and all that other nonsense you guys are saying. BUT if I give a little spanking to a 2 to 8 year old human that human child is not going to react like you adults, that human child is going to understand that he did something bad, so please stop saying how you would obviously react if i would hit you, because you are not a dog and you never will be.

and believe me, ive never heard of a human child (including myself) react to a gentle spanking in anger and hitting back and whatever you guys wanna do back to me.

and im sorry for the people who got abused, but thats what it was "abuse" a spanking is a spanking, HUGE difference. if your parents abused you then you dont really know what a spanking is.

Then again, you're comparing human comprehension to a dog. Dogs do not understand like a human that they're getting spanked because they did ssomething they shouldn't have. There is not that mental connection!!

Once again, your methods of hitting aren't working for this pet! So why to you insist on trying to stick with them??

We're trying to give you advice on how to handle it, and how Yorkies are different with training, yet to still defend this ancient methods of training that are getting you nowhere, hence your orignial post for help!

[myteddybear]

I have to say, my father (bless his heart) has always raised his dogs like your father. For the most part he has always had very large dogs and sure they do love him and want to be around him but they also know that if they do something wrong they are gonna get it. Love my father but his dogs do fear him and I know for one that is not how I want my dogs to live.

I remember one time years ago, I was only in about the third grade. My father had a GSD who would get "spanked" when she would have an accident. We were in the car one day headed to a dog training class and she had to go, she must have had an upset tummy because it was horrid smelling and runny. She had the accident in the floorboard of the car and then before we knew what was happening she jumped right out the open window on a busy street with the car moving! Now that is fear! Thank God she managed not to get hit by a car and he got her back unharmed. He felt so bad of course she didn't get in trouble but at that moment after she did what she couldn't help she was afraid of the spanking that would come. My father in no way "abused" her but did use physical punishment and the dog had a great fear of him at times. I am not sure how you can feel making a dog fear you is a good thing.

There are better ways. Sure you may be succeeding in making her an obedient dog (at times) but if you say she doesn't fear her physical punishment then I would say you are living with your head in the clouds.

You also made another comment about comparing ourselves with a canine, just rang through in my head as you saying "it's just a dog" Nope not what you said exactly but that was the way I heard it. Your "dog" has feelings and fears just like a human and in my eyes even worse as they don't understand why a lot of things happen where a human will understand and can process it better.

All of that said, just how big is your Yorkie? I have to wonder if you realize that a magazine is probably the same size as her/him and so obviously not an appropriate thing to use if you still insisted on this physical punishment. My father right or wrong used a few pages out of the newspaper for a full grown GSD, big difference.

No one is trying to be mean or start anything with you but just try to make you realize there are better ways to accomplish what you are trying to do. Please rethink your ways. No, just because it is an old way of thinking does not make it wrong (there other things about it that make it wrong) but does that mean that if there is new evidence that a new way works better you can't evolve with the times and explore the new ways?

[myteddybear]

Originally Posted by This Is Sparta

i like the way youre talking to me, thanks. we have different views but youre not like the others.

this is the way im looking at it, shes not so much scared as she is worried that she did something wrong, i mean, after all that being "scared" shes right in my arms again after about 15 minutes that i will not play with her for being bad. and right after i spank her shes following me all over the place seemingly wanting forgiveness.

i dont know, thats just the way i see it

Honestly, that thinking is NOT right as if you looked into almost any dog who has been seriously mistreated and even abused they still look to please the very humans who have done it to them. So while I am not saying you have abused her I am saying that no matter what you did to her the chances are that she would still look to be accepted and to please you...THAT is just a dog.

[megansmomma]

Just dropping in to say a quick I am just wondering if your brothers the engineering student, hawk on a leash dude, the brother who lost his yorkie in the blizzard, the murdering boyfriend on the roof or the fighter pilot are all doing well. They haven't been around for well at least a few months. With Thanksgiving just a week away I'm sure you will have a very interesting holiday meal. I can just imagine the tales that are told around the dinner table. I gotta run but just wanted to send up a great big

[This Is Sparta]

Originally Posted by myteddybear

You also made another comment about comparing ourselves with a canine, just rang through in my head as you saying "it's just a dog" Nope not what you said exactly but that was the way I heard it. Your "dog" has feelings and fears just like a human and in my eyes even worse as they don't understand why a lot of things happen where a human will understand and can process it better.

i would never think of a dog as "just a dog, I have always treated my dogs as dogs and a member of my family. My chihuahua always slept on the bed with me cuddles real close, my german shepard always wanted to come into my room to sleep on the floor.treating the dogs like family is also why i am choosing physical punishment, because if i had kids i would spank them. dogs are as much family to me as my parents/brother. but when i say that i have always treated them also like dogs its because you dont treat them exactly like human beings. and also god forbid a situation ever arises where its between a human family member and my dog, (like say a fire) id be forced to choose my human family member.

the first german shepard i had unfortunatly got hit by a car, she was internally bleeding, i felt like we were so connected, and especially how she limped all the way upstairs to my room basically to die lying there with me til we brought her to the vet.

So basically i have always had a very close bond with my pets, so has my dad. maybe your way works too, thats not to say its better. in the real world of dogs in the wild theres always an alpha male, one that slaps around the others and leads the pack. im basically the alpha male providing discipline but with 110 percent loving 5 percent physical punishment.

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by This Is Sparta

i dont understand why you guys are comparing a canine to yourselves as human beings. OBVIOUSLY if i hit you youre gonna react and get mad and all that other nonsense you guys are saying. BUT if I give a little spanking to a 2 to 8 year old human that human child is not going to react like you adults, that human child is going to understand that he did something bad, so please stop saying how you would obviously react if i would hit you, because you are not a dog and you never will be.

and believe me, ive never heard of a human child (including myself) react to a gentle spanking in anger and hitting back and whatever you guys wanna do back to me.

and im sorry for the people who got abused, but thats what it was "abuse" a spanking is a spanking, HUGE difference. if your parents abused you then you
dont really know what a spanking is.

Then obviously you don't know cr*p about human development. I hope to heck you don't have kids or ever have them. Your methods of training would earn you a call to CPS in a heart beat. You need to justify your in ability to effectively train. Poor dog being stuck with such limited owner.

I'm with megansmomma on this. The writing style is all too familiar. Scrolling over to put this one on "ignore".

[beecee]

So are you guys saying this is a troll? Oh man, boo! People are so screwed up...I swear...

[This Is Sparta]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

Then obviously you don't know cr*p about human development. I hope to heck you don't have kids or ever have them. Your methods of training would earn you a call to CPS in a heart beat. You need to justify your in ability to effectively train. Poor dog being stuck with such limited owner.

I'm with megansmomma on this. The writing style is all too familiar. Scrolling over to put this one on "ignore".

im real, ive never been here before and and i really do own a yorkie-poo named Sparta.

geesh you guys have an extremely low tolerance level for people that have different views than your own.

[concretegurl]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

all too familiar .........................

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