Where to sleep 10 wk Stanley.. Crate in kitchen or bedroom? - YorkieTalk.com Forums

dizzywitch · 04-30-2011, 11:20 PM

Hello Every one, and as a new member thank you for messages of welcome!

I have had Stanley for almost 4 weeks, he sleeps in his cage/crate quite happily and is happy to go there for quiet time... but.. and there is always a but! ..

Every night without fail he will mess no 1's and 2's, either in his crate or in the small run I have made to the side of it.. invariably this means him trotting through it and mess all across his bedding.

After reading various solutions it could be anxiety at night, although I have never heard Stanley cry or whimper at night .. although he is in the kitchen and I sleep like a log!!

In order to try and break this messing of the crate, should I sleep him in the bedroom so that should he be up in the night I can hear him ... or will I be undoing all the good work so far of him happy in the crate (well he seems to be)

House training is not in Stanleys book of "must do's" and although he has rewards when doing his business outside he still deems it fit and fine to do it inside!

All your views welcomed on the where to sleep part!! oh and he has 3 meals of dry food a day at 7am, 12, and 4.30pm and no water after 9pm. I go to bed approx midnight. He has been wormed by the vet and seems in general good health. He has a fairly good routine in the day of up, feed, play, crate and again in the afternoon he is in crate for his nap (usually about 2 hrs) and then in evening he sleeps on the sofa, then his crate.

I am wondering if I slept him in the bedroom I would stand a chance of hearing him .. his crate is too big to keep lugging around as I got the medium size one for when he is bigger so would sort out maybe one of the soft sleeping crates for him. This is the second yorkie I have owned and yes, the first one a girl house trained beautifully :-)

ArmaniMan · 05-01-2011, 07:57 AM

Welcome!

First a few questions? Did you get him at 6 weeks old? from where? Also does he have potty pads in his pen with him?

Okay- if you did get him at 6 weeks old, I am sure you know this is far too young, this is probably the reason he is not housetrained- he can barely control his functions at 10 weeks old. There is certainly no way he can hold it through the night- so that brings me to the next question- if he doesn't have potty pads in his area- he needs them or he needs you to get up multiple times during the night to let him relieve himself. He may not even cry- so you might just have to set an alarm every few hours to get up and do it. I think it is very important at his age to make sure he is not sleeping in a mess all night- this will reinforce the idea to him that it is okay to soil where he sleeps and it will be 1000 times harder to potty train. Buy a large stack of cheap/ thin fleece blankets- every time you get up in the middle of the night with him spray down his cage with nature's miracle and put a new blanket in the crate with him. You want him to start to realize that a clean place is more pleasant than a dirty place. If you want to put pads in the crate with him or already are- switch to an expen- put a bed/ blankets on one side- food and water in the middle- and the pads on the other side- this will encourage him to leave the place he sleeps/ eats to go to the pads and go to the bathroom.

As far as where to sleep- I prefer having dogs, especially very young ones sleep in my room- this way I can hear them if they need me- although like I said he may not be even crying for you to come so it may not make a huge difference as far as the bathroom at this point. Both of mine were crate trained in my bedroom and it did not make a difference as far as them liking the crate- they both slept through the night and will now behave very well if they are crated for any reason.

Hope some of this helps! Good Luck.

tjdmom · 05-01-2011, 08:49 AM

I agree he should be in your room. My personal feeling is that you should always have your dogs in your room if at all possible. Mine do much better that way. Good luck and remember he is awfully young.

dizzywitch · 05-01-2011, 10:15 PM

Thank you both .. slept him in my room last night in make shift bed .. a big plastic stacka box right next to bed .. and first night a clean night and oddly, he slept all the way through.. up at 6.50 and breakfast and both sets of toilet outside, so I must have missed this bit by a bout 10 mins when he was in his crate.

Yes he was only 6 weeks old when I got him .. I thought I had done the right thing .. Kennel Club breeder etc, got to the house on a hot night we had, we were given the paper work quickly, a cab was ticking on the meter £30 in the end for the trip! the lady showed me the top copy, wafted it under my nose while I had a grumpy yorkie mum round my feet, 3 of my children hot and wary of the dog, so I paid and left .. her words on the phone said old enough to leave, I wrongly assumed 8 weeks .. at home looking at his papers properly saw he was 6 weeks ... I did a crash course that night on 6 wk pups and he is training lovely, the vet is happy with him and he has 2nd set of jabs on tuesday. I did speak with the breeder the next day who said she would take him back .. but he was in a whelping box upstairs in a bedroom and filthy being fed raw tripe .. I chose to keep him at mine and glad I did.

Hopefully by getting up the extra ten minutes early has made the difference ... and my bedroom being darker which I think helped!

ArmaniMan · 05-02-2011, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dizzywitch

Thank you both .. slept him in my room last night in make shift bed .. a big plastic stacka box right next to bed .. and first night a clean night and oddly, he slept all the way through.. up at 6.50 and breakfast and both sets of toilet outside, so I must have missed this bit by a bout 10 mins when he was in his crate.

Yes he was only 6 weeks old when I got him .. I thought I had done the right thing .. Kennel Club breeder etc, got to the house on a hot night we had, we were given the paper work quickly, a cab was ticking on the meter £30 in the end for the trip! the lady showed me the top copy, wafted it under my nose while I had a grumpy yorkie mum round my feet, 3 of my children hot and wary of the dog, so I paid and left .. her words on the phone said old enough to leave, I wrongly assumed 8 weeks .. at home looking at his papers properly saw he was 6 weeks ... I did a crash course that night on 6 wk pups and he is training lovely, the vet is happy with him and he has 2nd set of jabs on tuesday. I did speak with the breeder the next day who said she would take him back .. but he was in a whelping box upstairs in a bedroom and filthy being fed raw tripe .. I chose to keep him at mine and glad I did.

Hopefully by getting up the extra ten minutes early has made the difference ... and my bedroom being darker which I think helped!

So glad to hear things went better! Sometimes getting up only a few minutes earlier can make the difference.

MyDaisyDukes · 05-02-2011, 01:53 PM

Hi there!

I'm glad to hear that things seem to be going so well for you now! I wish you good luck and hope that she works her way up to being perfectly trained like your other little doggie

We just brought our first yorkie home on Friday (let alone the first dog to have to train and do everything from day 1 with on our own). She is about 8 weeks old.

We too have set up a pen in our bedroom with a place for her to sleep on one end and a few pee pads on the other, along with a little place for her to eat if she wants. She did so well the first two nights! And I think it was because she was utterly exhausted from all the driving and excitement. But last night? O-M-G. Even letting her out at 12am, 2:30am, 4:30am, and 6...she cried ALL night. I think she might have slept too much in the afternoon leading up to bedtime. I think we have to plan to make sure she doesn't sleep too much and gets LOTS of exercise... I really hope tonight is better!

dizzywitch · 05-03-2011, 12:47 AM

:-) thank you all .. 2nd night of no mess, he slept from 11.30 til 5.15 then outside both "jobs" done and back to bed for an hour where he settled down again.

Second jabs today so at the weekend its "Walkies" ;-)

Must say the stacka box has proved useful because he is tucked right by the bed so I can have my hand on his back to settle him while dozing off and he has no room to mess in the box at all, it is big enough for him to stretch out though! half of the stacka box is under the bed and half out. Although I will sort out a more suitable bed this week, but the box is working a treat :-)

On the bonus side, I did all the house work and left house at half 8 for school so finally time to do the ironing after the vets!

dizzywitch · 05-03-2011, 12:51 AM

** My daisy Dukes, we put a huge cuddly soft floppy dog in his cage and a couple of small cuddly toys (no plastic eyes, £1 from charity shops) in his cage and fleece blanket .. he loves the fluffy dog and quite often sleeps draped over it.. I think it kinda reminds him of being with the other pups. Maybe that might help your pup .. and when Stan woke up last night I didn't talk or look at him and just rested my hand on his back .. within 10 mins he was asleep. I should say tho, for the first 2 weeks of having him he was in his crate in the kitchen and I did'nt need to go down once, or rather I slept through it all :-)

04-30-2011, 11:20 PM	#1
dizzywitch YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Dunstable UK Posts: 7	Where to sleep 10 wk Stanley.. Crate in kitchen or bedroom? Hello Every one, and as a new member thank you for messages of welcome! I have had Stanley for almost 4 weeks, he sleeps in his cage/crate quite happily and is happy to go there for quiet time... but.. and there is always a but! .. Every night without fail he will mess no 1's and 2's, either in his crate or in the small run I have made to the side of it.. invariably this means him trotting through it and mess all across his bedding. After reading various solutions it could be anxiety at night, although I have never heard Stanley cry or whimper at night .. although he is in the kitchen and I sleep like a log!! In order to try and break this messing of the crate, should I sleep him in the bedroom so that should he be up in the night I can hear him ... or will I be undoing all the good work so far of him happy in the crate (well he seems to be) House training is not in Stanleys book of "must do's" and although he has rewards when doing his business outside he still deems it fit and fine to do it inside! All your views welcomed on the where to sleep part!! oh and he has 3 meals of dry food a day at 7am, 12, and 4.30pm and no water after 9pm. I go to bed approx midnight. He has been wormed by the vet and seems in general good health. He has a fairly good routine in the day of up, feed, play, crate and again in the afternoon he is in crate for his nap (usually about 2 hrs) and then in evening he sleeps on the sofa, then his crate. I am wondering if I slept him in the bedroom I would stand a chance of hearing him .. his crate is too big to keep lugging around as I got the medium size one for when he is bigger so would sort out maybe one of the soft sleeping crates for him. This is the second yorkie I have owned and yes, the first one a girl house trained beautifully :-)

05-01-2011, 07:57 AM	#2
ArmaniMan I ♥ Armani & Chloe Donating Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 3,895	Welcome! First a few questions? Did you get him at 6 weeks old? from where? Also does he have potty pads in his pen with him? Okay- if you did get him at 6 weeks old, I am sure you know this is far too young, this is probably the reason he is not housetrained- he can barely control his functions at 10 weeks old. There is certainly no way he can hold it through the night- so that brings me to the next question- if he doesn't have potty pads in his area- he needs them or he needs you to get up multiple times during the night to let him relieve himself. He may not even cry- so you might just have to set an alarm every few hours to get up and do it. I think it is very important at his age to make sure he is not sleeping in a mess all night- this will reinforce the idea to him that it is okay to soil where he sleeps and it will be 1000 times harder to potty train. Buy a large stack of cheap/ thin fleece blankets- every time you get up in the middle of the night with him spray down his cage with nature's miracle and put a new blanket in the crate with him. You want him to start to realize that a clean place is more pleasant than a dirty place. If you want to put pads in the crate with him or already are- switch to an expen- put a bed/ blankets on one side- food and water in the middle- and the pads on the other side- this will encourage him to leave the place he sleeps/ eats to go to the pads and go to the bathroom. As far as where to sleep- I prefer having dogs, especially very young ones sleep in my room- this way I can hear them if they need me- although like I said he may not be even crying for you to come so it may not make a huge difference as far as the bathroom at this point. Both of mine were crate trained in my bedroom and it did not make a difference as far as them liking the crate- they both slept through the night and will now behave very well if they are crated for any reason. Hope some of this helps! Good Luck. __________________ Armani & Chloe

05-02-2011, 01:53 PM	#6
MyDaisyDukes Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Pequannock, NJ, United States Posts: 12 Blog Entries: 1	Feeling the pain Hi there! I'm glad to hear that things seem to be going so well for you now! I wish you good luck and hope that she works her way up to being perfectly trained like your other little doggie We just brought our first yorkie home on Friday (let alone the first dog to have to train and do everything from day 1 with on our own). She is about 8 weeks old. We too have set up a pen in our bedroom with a place for her to sleep on one end and a few pee pads on the other, along with a little place for her to eat if she wants. She did so well the first two nights! And I think it was because she was utterly exhausted from all the driving and excitement. But last night? O-M-G. Even letting her out at 12am, 2:30am, 4:30am, and 6...she cried ALL night. I think she might have slept too much in the afternoon leading up to bedtime. I think we have to plan to make sure she doesn't sleep too much and gets LOTS of exercise... I really hope tonight is better! __________________ *MyDaisyDukes*

05-01-2011, 08:49 AM	#3
tjdmom Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: upstate ny Posts: 5,847	I agree he should be in your room. My personal feeling is that you should always have your dogs in your room if at all possible. Mine do much better that way. Good luck and remember he is awfully young.

05-01-2011, 10:15 PM	#4
dizzywitch YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Dunstable UK Posts: 7	Thank you both .. slept him in my room last night in make shift bed .. a big plastic stacka box right next to bed .. and first night a clean night and oddly, he slept all the way through.. up at 6.50 and breakfast and both sets of toilet outside, so I must have missed this bit by a bout 10 mins when he was in his crate. Yes he was only 6 weeks old when I got him .. I thought I had done the right thing .. Kennel Club breeder etc, got to the house on a hot night we had, we were given the paper work quickly, a cab was ticking on the meter £30 in the end for the trip! the lady showed me the top copy, wafted it under my nose while I had a grumpy yorkie mum round my feet, 3 of my children hot and wary of the dog, so I paid and left .. her words on the phone said old enough to leave, I wrongly assumed 8 weeks .. at home looking at his papers properly saw he was 6 weeks ... I did a crash course that night on 6 wk pups and he is training lovely, the vet is happy with him and he has 2nd set of jabs on tuesday. I did speak with the breeder the next day who said she would take him back .. but he was in a whelping box upstairs in a bedroom and filthy being fed raw tripe .. I chose to keep him at mine and glad I did. Hopefully by getting up the extra ten minutes early has made the difference ... and my bedroom being darker which I think helped!

05-03-2011, 12:47 AM	#7
dizzywitch YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Dunstable UK Posts: 7	:-) thank you all .. 2nd night of no mess, he slept from 11.30 til 5.15 then outside both "jobs" done and back to bed for an hour where he settled down again. Second jabs today so at the weekend its "Walkies" ;-) Must say the stacka box has proved useful because he is tucked right by the bed so I can have my hand on his back to settle him while dozing off and he has no room to mess in the box at all, it is big enough for him to stretch out though! half of the stacka box is under the bed and half out. Although I will sort out a more suitable bed this week, but the box is working a treat :-) On the bonus side, I did all the house work and left house at half 8 for school so finally time to do the ironing after the vets!

05-03-2011, 12:51 AM	#8
dizzywitch YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Dunstable UK Posts: 7	** My daisy Dukes, we put a huge cuddly soft floppy dog in his cage and a couple of small cuddly toys (no plastic eyes, £1 from charity shops) in his cage and fleece blanket .. he loves the fluffy dog and quite often sleeps draped over it.. I think it kinda reminds him of being with the other pups. Maybe that might help your pup .. and when Stan woke up last night I didn't talk or look at him and just rested my hand on his back .. within 10 mins he was asleep. I should say tho, for the first 2 weeks of having him he was in his crate in the kitchen and I did'nt need to go down once, or rather I slept through it all :-)