[quote=mojo;3145858]Ok now that is funny. Thanks for the chuckle.

JL

I was left going :scratchhe after reading her email too. But since she felt that by posting it to this thread and it would open everyones eyes to our evil ways and vindicate her actions I went ahead and posted it. Nope no money in rescue. There is a lot of heartache and some times happy endings. But most of the time it is sadness. :(

LOL I like it! I got one under my belt already! ;)

Wait a minute. Did she say TEN hours from WA to RI? If she taking a bus? (JK) It takes like 4 hours tops.

Personally, I don't see how one can be a breeder AND a rescuer at the same time. It's totally contradictory! I understand those that breed for the betterment of the breed, but she (karla) breeds mixed breeds! Then how can she turn around and claim she rescues?

Katie's surgery was near a $1000. Her adoption fee was only $300. All you anti-rescue folk out there tell me how that is "dog stealing". :mad:

I am going to speak to the top part on being a breeder and a rescuer at the same time. Only from my end of things not from what i have seen of others not on YT doing the breed rescue thing.

I work with a breeder that will if asked step in and help a dog in need of our bred even if we did not bred it or if we think we can get it help and get it a home. NOT to put it in our gene pool to bred.
As we know our bred and it is rare and all its silly quirks we have a better handle on if that is a problem or just bred stuff that needs better management. Our bred is extremely mouthy at 14 to 18 month and it lend it self to being considered a biter and things going bad. They are also very paw used like hands and a large need to get very close. Very big and they know it and use it if let to, to do as they please and rough makes them shut down. We know this if a rescue takes them in without knowing the bred concerns then they can not know that mouthy is normal and deal with it at such. That the dog is not biting but just really needs to hold your had in its mouth.
As we are aware of this and have handled it in the passed with one of our boys, we know that we can help a dog turn around. Had we not know dog body language and our breeds need to mouth our own little boy been concidered a biter as he grabs a little to rough to hold your hand. He is now in a great home with a CGN on the end of his name which many thought would not happen.

So yes breeders can be a rescue if it is for the right reasons just like everything else in life.

JL

Here is my take on breeding and rescue:

If order to be a reputable breeder you have to be willing to take back your own if the situation occurs. That along should be written into a breeders contract. If this was the case with all breeders then there would be no reason from rescue. It does not matter if you are a one time producer of puppies or a puppy mill. If "you" decide to breed and then allow those puppies to leave your care your door should NEVER close to that puppy. If the owner of a puppy the "you" produced decided somewhere along the line that they no longer wanted to care for or were not able to care for "your" puppy then as a breeder you should step in and find a new home for that puppy/dog. If this were to occur there would be no reason for rescues and animal shelters to even exist. :)

But of course that is not in the real world and there are people producing puppies with no other goal in mind then to make money. Be it puppy mills, bybers, oops litter or whatever you would like to call it~anyone that has a litter of puppies is a breeder. So when all of these unwanted animal need homes due to whatever the circumstance someone needs to step in to help or they will be euthanized.

So then that leaves us with the question of who will take responsibility for the care and possible rehabilitation of the pup that no longer has an owner. Someone who steps forward to rescue then becomes responsible for the care and rehoming process. If it is a breeder I say wonderful for giving back to the animal community. :thumbup: See yoru rescue through to the end. If there are medical issues treat them. If there are behavior issues address them. Make sure that the dog is spayed/neutered and then find a forever home that will take over their care for the rest of their lives in an appropriate home that fits the needs of the dog. Of course vet checks and references should also be done but that should go without saying to a responsible breeder since they would already be using steps for their own breeding program. It is just that simple. I would agree with Yorkiemother that if a breeder is capable of all of the above then I do not see anything wrong with being involved with a rescue and giving back. I think it is a wonderful way to give back too. :)

BUT~as we have learned from the Mindy story rescues are not always what they seem and issues may arise and need to be addressed. PERIOD end of story. There can be no excuses as to why you cannot address the issues and the poorest of the issues is lack of money. When you want to call yourself a rescue and take on the responsibility of any animal there is always financial involvement and the possibility of a long term commitment. Rescues invest hundreds and sometimes thousand of dollars on their dogs. It might take weeks, months and sometimes years to find the very best home for any one pup. Taking on the responsibility of rescues is a huge commitment but emotionally and financially and always seem to the very end without excuses.

So my answer to your question capt_noonie is that yes I do believe that RESPONSIBLE breeders can be involved in rescue it they are willing to spend the time and are financially willing/able to finish with the rescue.

:thumbup:

I just wanted to add that just as all breeders are not the same neither are all rescue. Reputable rescue need to be willing to do all of that above as well and not cut corners. From my own experience as well as stories from YT there are a very wide scale for both those that call themselves a rescue and a reputable rescue who's ultimate goal is the life of the pup. All rescues are not cut from the same mold. :animal-pa

E*X*C*E*L*L*E*N*T:exclaim::exclaim::exclaim:

While I do agree with how you explained the breeder and rescue issue, I believe IMO that a good breeder that would take back any of their pups at any point in their life is still considered a breeder and not a rescue. I guess i didn't explain myself well. I consider a rescue to be an organization, a whole network of people working together, as well as being 501 status(?) /tax exempt, non profit. Not just one person claiming to rescue just trying to get brownie points. That's what I think anyway, but like anything, it can be open to one's own interpretation.

Someone remind me, how did she come to take in Mindy anyway? Mindy wasn't bred by her, just a person she knew asked to take her in?

Sorry, I'm a little confused...which breed are you referring to? You mentioned "large" and so, I am curious now what dog you are talking about:confused:

I don't agree that a reputable rescue has to have a 501c3 because it is very time consuming and expensive to receive this status (see below). It is wonderful when an organization has one as they don't have to pay taxes and as a donor I can get a tax write-off but many small rescues just can't get one due to time & money. Some lawyers could easily charge up to $5000 to help an organization get this status. The only reason I pay attention is if they state they are one and I check GuideStar and they are not listed. This tells me they are lying so what else are they then lying about. This year the IRS is going to start going after many nonprofit organizations that have received this status to see if they are doing their taxes correctly and they are what they say they are.

Please see in bold what organizations a 501(c)3 covers...it is just not animal rescue.

501(c)
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Colloquially, a 501(c) organization or simply "a 501(c)" is an American tax-exempt, nonprofit corporation or association. Section 501(c) of the United States Internal Revenue Code (26 U.S.C. § 501(c)), provides that 26 types of nonprofit organizations are exempt from some federal income taxes. Sections 503 through 505 set out the requirements for attaining such exemptions. Many states refer to Section 501(c) for definitions of organizations exempt from state taxation as well.

501(c)(3) — Religious, Educational, Charitable, Scientific, Literary, Testing for Public Safety, to Foster National or International Amateur Sports Competition, or Prevention of Cruelty to Children or Animals Organizations

I would never hesitate to deal with a small time rescue (which the majority of them are) in a city that doesn't have this status. Most rescue people would rather spend the $$$ on the dogs then in this status.

It was someone who her husband worked with...I believe.