Heart broke
 

I am hoping that the Mods will leave this up and let us do a little healing.

I am just so upset about Mindy and the out come of the last few days of trying to get her to help.

We involved really wanted to reach out and get that little one safe and it is very tough when we fail.
The owner is not here to defend herself so it is not fair to comment anymore on the situation but maybe we can discuss what we learned and what we could have done better and how we do a joint front to help.

I really do not like loosing a dog that I think could have got help and could have been saved.

So for the next time and there will be what do we do differnet.

JL

I followed a little bit of this thread, but thought rescue was getting involved and it was a done deal.

What I have done, as an IG rescue rep, when a dog needs to be saved fast, and transport needs to be arranged, is have the dog boarded or I've gone through a list of my adopters and friends and asked them to take the dog for a very short time, days only. In this instance, I realize you didn't have much time to make arrangements.

I also try very hard, no matter the scumbag, not that Mindy's mom falls under that catagory, to act understanding and sympathetic until I get the dog and a signed release form. After that, I don't care, I feel free to say what I think. But until I legally get the dog, I try to only be nice and sympathetic. Even when I have taken dogs from people who could care less what happens to the dog, I try to be unbelievably nice. And I can tell you, I have been tested.

It's a shame someone doesn't have the OP's email address to try to reach out to her to get the dog. It might be a good idea to check the shelters in the area to see if a yorkie gets turned in to them.

I'm really sorry this ended up the way it did.

*I was communicating via email for days with her and up until this afternoon at 3:15 pm she was still talking with me. She also gave me her phone number. But someone took it upon themselves to once again go behind our backs as a rescue and manipulate the situation. I've emailed Karla this evening and there is still an offer on the table. She has not responded.

Believe me there have been plenty of dogs that have been saved on this board from YHR. It has only been recently that someone if throwing monkey wrenches into the equation and undermining what we have tried to accomplish. Even though others have asked this person to back off she still insists on causing problems.

Nothing will be accomplished with this type of behavior going on behind the scenes to intentionally fill peoples heads with falsehoods.

Mindy as far as I know is still alive but after what has happened this afternoon I seriously doubt that she will have any further communication with me. :(

This all was a terrible injustice to a poor defenseless dog that didn't ask to be put into this situation.

I do know how to handle myself when it comes to rescues. If you remember I was able to get Teagan surrendered. I even hugged the woman when all was said and done. No on ever thought that would happen. But then again that was long before we had the type of interference that has occurred the last 2 times that we have tried to pursaude an owner to surrender. Roriee's owner was contacted accusations where put into her head about members of YHR and now Mindy's owner is saying that her "real YT friends" are helping her.

Like I said, the offer is still out there and Alexandra Morgan is willing to take Mindy and rehabilitate her. There are offers of payment for the shipping from WA to RI and even an offer to pick her up from the airport and transport her. I have not heard back.

I think situations where rescue could be needed need to be handled delicately and people should not come out of the woodwork and interfer with it.

I agree. In cases like this, even people like me need to back off. I honestly thought we could help her see Mindy was not fit for that kind of home, even if it was temporary. Emotions are running high, and some people feel cornered. Rescue was always this girl's best option, I just hate to think it was seen as a last resource.

I have only been a member of YT since March, but I have so much respect for all of you that continue to try and help rescue these poor babies that need help. I am still so new to YT and to yorkies that I do not feel it is my place to say anything to those people who sabotage the rescues. It just makes me sick. Do they not realize that the only thing they are doing is hurting the poor furbabies and not really helping. By jumping in a dog has lost it's life and that is so sad.
I feel so bad for Mindy and I hope and pray that something good will come out of all this.
Those of you that do rescues my hat is off to you. Keep up the good work and don't let anyone stop you from doing what you do.

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Yes, girl, you are right. Why someone would DELIBERATELY sabotage a rescue's efforts is beyond me. Obviously they have something against rescues, or THIS forum maybe, to go to such lengths like that and do direct harm to poor suffering yorkies!:thumbdown

Seriously, I don't care how many people think I'm mean or rude if I save a few yorkies from being put to sleep or getting them out of a bad situation.

After letting Fizz go to heaven this week. I know that if anyone needs help in Ohio, I would be willing to foster for a few days while a home is found. My little guy was found wandering the streets. I think folks here do a great job. We may not save them all but we can try.

You wrapped up everything in a nutshell with this statement :thumbup:

I don't understand. Why was your offer to help withdrawn so quickly?

I intentionally refrained from posting much on Mindy's thread, thinking that there would less conflict and confusion. A united or joint front in this situation was ongoing until another member (once again) decided to go behind the scenes and sabotage our efforts. Rescue work is difficult enough without all of this interference and becomes almost impossible when others insert themselves into situations they have no business in. With the constant interference from behind the scenes, I don't see what could have been done differently on our parts.

Chachi....you got it 100% right!:thumbup:

There is always more to the story than what meets the eye!
 

I heard that this thread had been started and wanted to come on and say that I was accused of "coming out of the woodwork and interfering in this rescue!" I commented yesterday on that thread after days of watching and never saying a word for fear that I would be accused of just that very thing and only commented after I knew the OP had already disabled her YT account and it was safe. I commented after watching her flipping power bill be debated like that has anything to do with helping mindy! Unlike what you have been told, I am not the one assisting Karla with anything concerning mindy, never gave one ounce of input and unfortunately you guys have only been told part of the story which is that certain people have only tried to "help" and that others have interfered and "ruined this rescue!" I am not assisting or giving Karla my opinions on mindy in any way! I am however a friend off YT as well as when she was a member and without giving any opinion on what she should do offered her emotional support but not until last night! Sometimes it's not enough to just help the dog! The owner who loves that dog inspite of the problems needs support and compassion too especially if they have worked as hard as karla has to find a solution! Karla left YT because she felt like she was being harrassed, stalked and bullied by certain members and that was long before yesterday...if you research her account you will see that she disabled it the day before yesterday. If anyone would truly care to know the whole story I am sure Karla would be glad to communicate every bit of it to someone who wants to know via email and then you can better judge what has taken place. Mindy is not lost to rescue. Just certain rescuers. Karla has hired a trainer who is going to come out to her home and work with mindy and if they can rehome her the trainer is going to work with the new owners as well at Karla's expense. There are other YT members who are working with her off site to get mindy rehomed or into a rescue whichever comes first. It isn't my business to tell what happened between Karla and certain members but she followed every single lead given and will continue to keep mindy and work with her as best she can until the best possible scenario comes available. This doesn't include sending her to a shelter or PTS! I just wanted to assure people who are worried that she is being well looked after and efforts are huge to get her placed. I think if anything can be learned it's that sometimes we don't have the whole story and what has happened behind the scenes is what has caused her to search out other avenues for help. Again, I wasn't a part of that and never would be...Karla made her own choices based on the way she felt she was treated in the process of asking for help.

Anyone who makes a deliberate and malicious effort to malign and sabotage the efforts of Rescue had better go take a long look in the mirror and/or take down the mirrors in their house permanently.

And btw, the rest of the world can plainly see a person's behaviors, no matter how much people try to hide/fake/mask who they really are. It's always all right there. Unfortunately, ya just can't hide from yourself - and so when you reveal yourself here, you can be darn sure we can see who you are (even if/when you can't :rolleyes:).

Sabotage: Treacherous action to defeat or hinder a cause or an endeavor; deliberate subversion.

Malign: to speak harmful untruths about; speak evil of; slander; defame

I dont know you have a history. Also it seems any time Jodi or Linda are involved in a rescue effort you get behind the scenes. Its just an observation. I am glad Mindy isnt going to be put to sleep. I dont think Karla should have said that just to get people upset on here. At least she wasnt5 serious though

I have the utmost respect for people who rescue yorkies or any dog, including Karla who took in mindy when no one else would and originally saved her from being put to sleep in the first place. I have never "maligned" anyone on YT but it sure has been done to me plenty of times. I also have never intentionally tried to sabotage anyone's efforts to rescue a dog which is why I didn't comment on the mindy thread the entire time Karla was a member because I didn't want anything I might have said to distract from mindy getting help! You can accuse me of the above all you want I didn't have any part of the sabotage of this rescue! Why doesn't someone actually contact Karla and find out for yourself what happened instead of accusing people and making others the target of the assault when the blame doesn't accurately rest there? I will take the blame if it belongs with me and own up to it! I apologized for anything I could have done however unintentional to derail roriee's rescue directly to LJ (she posted it on YT for EVERYONE to see!) I would never do that again which is the reason I didn't comment until I knew Karla was no longer able to see anything since she wasn't a member! This is just incredibly unfair and luckily I am able to confidently look in my mirror today knowing I am completely and honestly telling the truth!

I just dont think youve been on here long enough to see the number of dogs with medical ailments their owner couldnt afford and they really need to go to a rescue. It takes the persuasion of a rescuer to get them to surrender because they think they can come on here ask for donations and that will cover there med bill. When in reality even if there were donations it would only make a dent. Im glad Karla is still considering a rescue because thats what I believe best for her

Since my post was just deleted because I gave karla's email address and she is a non member here is my email address maryeverett1@Mac.com and I can then give you karla's email address if you would like to contact her. She welcomes the questions about what really happened and would love to honestly explain what went down. If the accusations are accurate those who are interested in hearing directly from Karla will find that out and they can report back to the rest of us and tell us what they learned. Karla will not be doctoring or deleting anything from the communications she has received or not telling the whole story! I think it is only fair if the accusations are being made that people who want to know the truth find out for themselves. I know I have absolutey nothing to hide...

Absolutely!! You are so right which is why I apologized to LJ concerning anything that i might have said that could have been distracting or made her efforts more difficult concerning roriee (she posted my PM concerning that on a thread and would welcome her to post it again if she wants) and had absolutely NOTHING to say while the efforts were being made with mindy! I realized after roriee that sometimes it takes a hard line to get someone to turn over a dog and the rescuers are the pros, I am not. I have never commented to Karla about mindy's rescue or any of the efforts being made where she is concerned and would never again interfere with any rescuer trying to help a dog! I learned my lesson the last time! Karla is working diligently to get mindy into a rescue (since she is the owner it is her choice who she uses but has still called every lead given to her even yesterday!)

All that I can say about any of this is that I know what the truth is and I have it all right in black and white. I've got emails from both myself, Karla and the original rescue to prove what was said and done. There are NO LIES on my part. Never have lied and would not lie. As for Karla's email address and phone number~I would NEVER hand that out! I don't hand out my personal email to everyone on an open forum and only give it when there is a personal need for open communication ie a rescue effort.

This entire story had become so twisted by 2 people involved and somewhere along the way we have lost track of the most important thing~Mindy. It is very easy to connect the dots it you have all of the facts and they all go back to about 3:15 PM CST on Thursday 5/27. This entire thing took a horrible turn for the worse. :(

I've kept the proper people in contact during this entire ordeal and they can all clearly see the truth. There is no manipulation or distortion of the facts. It really is that plane and simple.

Mary, I didn't accuse you of anything - in fact, I never mentioned your name. :confused:

I don't know why you saw yourself in my post and feel the need to defend yourself - but my post was "general"; I specifically said "Anyone". I did *not* direct the post at any individual person.

Wow, I should have saved the many PMs from Karla from the BEGINNING of this saga. I can see now they might have enlightened the very confused members of YT who, once again, are trying to insinuate that I did something awful to someone.

Whatever...carry on people. I have things to do that do not involve this kind of nonsense.

Karla can tell you whatEVER she wants...clearly she will anyway. Just like another owner who has "certain people" on YT conversing about how evil I am and how I "pick on" sick people with cancer.

You all who engage in this nonsense really need to go get a real education in life. I suggest you start out by starting your own rescue...get a real taste for what we see day in and day out. You have absolutely NO IDEA what people say and do ..NONE. I can tell you that the owner who surrenders a dog and tells the truth is a VERY RARE one. Hate to say that, but it IS a fact that any rescuer can tell you. You all don't believe me, so go talk to some others....or do it yourself! :)

So dead on Anne. :thumbup: The long time members here didn't just fall off the turnip truck yesterday. :p

I saw the thread yesterday, checked a few times for updates, but refrained from posting because I felt as little interference between the owner and those trying to assist with rescue would be in the best interested of the dog. Things went bonkers anyway, which is typical these days, but at least the common factor to the constant YT controvery is becoming crystal clear to more and more people. It's the same story over and over again. Completely pointless, yet tragically the norm these days.

There's three sides to every story...your side, her side & the truth. It all boils down to each one's perspective.

You (general you) who feel the need to patrol Rescue's efforts will only hinder what can be offered to an animal in need when you (general you) do so blindly.

What LJ mentioned about the truth that owners who surrender offer...is almost always suspect. Most of the time it is due to the guilt they shoulder for their inadequacies as a pet owner and the realization of failing their animal.

If you (general you) only knew a fraction of the way owners will color the truth to suit their needs to feel better about the condition of an animal at the time of surrender...I could be a millionaire selling flat irons to take the curl out of everyone's hair!;)

What I don't get is why anyone would doubt the efforts of a rescue or other members on YT who are passionate about aiding dogs in need like Roriee or Mindy. Seriously...what do you (general you) really think the goal is really about?

My best advise to you (general you) would be to find a hobby or online community where you (general you) can get whatever your needs are met, and that will never interfere with the welfare of innocent animals and the dedicated people who do want to make a positive difference in their lives.

HaHa...The long time members didn't fall off of the turnip truck...I prefer the sweet potato truck...now get back to work so you can go on vacation and get me a present...!!

P.S. Most of us can smell the BS fairly fast ....:cool: and we don't even need a truck ride..

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I agree with chachi. It takes time to get to know the YT community. There is a lot of experience and knowledge to be gained from the more established members. I also think that any member who chooses to take general comments personally and is subsequently constantly defending themselves is actually inciting additional conflict just by responding so emotionally. Sometimes you just have to take the high road................

Right on Baby...:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

I try to stay out of heated or controversial threads, but I need to say one thing.

Our YorkieTalk members who VOLUNTEER and give of their free time, energy, money and emotions to help dogs in need by working with actual rescues have my 100% support. We know who you are and we LOVE you! You rock!! Your job is HARD and often thankless. PLEASE do NOT ever think that you are not appreciated. WE (collective "we" of most of the long-time YT donating members and supporters) know who you are and we thank you!!

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You are not even kidding. Sometimes when someone tries to dictate how things "are" or "should be" and how one should conduct "themselves", I just think to myself, "sista, if you knew HALF of what has happened here over the years..." Truly clueless. And I find it so amusing that they think they are the first ones to ever 'enlighten' everyone...like they are the magical "key" that has been missing from YT for all these years.

I've seen countless people ripped off, sold items and cookbooks they were never sent or never received, I've seen sob stories sold about sick or rescued dogs only to find out after generous donations that it was all a farce. Been on the phone in all hours of the night with panicked owner while their girl is whelping when I really want to strangle them for being irresponsible. And, I've seen others do the same. I've watched people and friends here and their loved ones die only to watch other members make a public joke out of it. I've had pictures of my kid taken off here only to have them returned to me through emailed threats. I've been stalked online, seen others stalked online, seen threats of lawsuits, been on the receiving end of threats and actually seen some real lawsuits take place. Have seen long time, respected members exposed as horrible breeders, have seen admissions of animal cruelty, a member who had people online panicked as she threatened to kill herself. And just about anything else you can imagine. So have loads of other long time members here.

So please, do NOT fool yourself into thinking you hold all the answers and that you are going to come here and "teach" anyone a darn thing about how "things should be" and don't flatter yourself into thinking that your antics impress anyone. The ONLY person you are fooling is yourself.