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Old 12-18-2009, 07:54 AM   #61
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You're right, Donna didn't deserve that comment!

At one time, I would have said "never debark", but after a thread here on YT some time back, my opinion was changed. The situation was an elderly woman and her long time companion dog with a barking problem. The woman was moving into a retirement center and the ONLY way she could keep her dog, was to have her debarked.

Now I think the greater crime here, would have been for that woman and her precious dog to be separated from each other.

Who here, could tell their own Grandmother, that "Too bad Grannie, your little dog barks too much - you go live in the senior citizens home and we'll give your life-long companion over to a stranger!"

The old adage comes to mind........ "never say, never".
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Old 12-18-2009, 07:55 AM   #62
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Whoa! That's a bit uncalled for! I'm definitely in the majority group who think de-barking is cruel and would never condone or support doing it. Which is exactly what Donna has said repeatedly. She has not done, will not do it, does not condone it - what part of any of this are you not getting?
I think we've bumped into each other in the breeding and show thread! But thank you for your support and I guess I have to repeat it several times that I don't do it LOL...kinda comical at this point
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Old 12-18-2009, 08:14 AM   #63
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I think we've bumped into each other in the breeding and show thread! But thank you for your support and I guess I have to repeat it several times that I don't do it LOL...kinda comical at this point
I think we have, too. I've read many of your posts but I just couldn't remember if we had actually 'spoken.' You are more than welcome! My opinion from reading your posts, and from seeing the respect you have from other members, is that you are a wonderful breeder. The whole thing is a little funny this morning , but yesterday....not so much.
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We have a Maltese who barked,barked and barked. We could NEVER enjoy a meal at the table because she barked like crazy. We tried several things recommended. Did I think for a second about debarking? I thought about and I would NEVER do it. The last thing we tried and it worked the first day.
We got a bark collar. It had static zaps not strong trust me. It zapped once. After that I took the battery out. So she stopped barking when we sat down.
She never wore the collar again and has never had an issue besides the normal barking when the doorbell rings, or a person comes in.
I actually tried the collar myself. I wanted to see exactly what it was. Its like getting touched by someone who has static electricity.
I dont know how bad the barking would actually be to debark all your dogs??
I couldnt do it and even if its under anesthesia, just the thought cutting their cords



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We have a Maltese who barked,barked and barked. We could NEVER enjoy a meal at the table because she barked like crazy. We tried several things recommended. Did I think for a second about debarking? I thought about and I would NEVER do it. The last thing we tried and it worked the first day.
We got a bark collar. It had static zaps not strong trust me. It zapped once. After that I took the battery out. So she stopped barking when we sat down.
She never wore the collar again and has never had an issue besides the normal barking when the doorbell rings, or a person comes in.
I actually tried the collar myself. I wanted to see exactly what it was. Its like getting touched by someone who has static electricity.
I dont know how bad the barking would actually be to debark all your dogs??
I couldnt do it and even if its under anesthesia, just the thought cutting their cords



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I totally understand where everyone is coming from because I don't do it either but I do know some breeders do and their dogs are fine...and besides only one side of the vocal cord is done so the bark can be softer. I know I wouldn't do it but I dont' hold it against anyone that does that's all I'm saying...


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Old 12-18-2009, 12:01 PM   #66
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She doesn't sound like a reputable breeder to me. Maybe just one that's trying to make more money with her bark free babies. That's just sick.
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I think we have, too. I've read many of your posts but I just couldn't remember if we had actually 'spoken.' You are more than welcome! My opinion from reading your posts, and from seeing the respect you have from other members, is that you are a wonderful breeder. The whole thing is a little funny this morning , but yesterday....not so much.

I've spoken to Donna via YT and I find her to be a very very nice perons. I have to agree, she seems like a wonderful breeder

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Ok, I'm trying to figure out what the difference of debarking and docking is? Both seem unnecessary and painful to me. Docking seems to be at this point more exceptable. Why??

Why do some have no problem having yorkies with docked tails but are against debarking? They say a dog that is debarked does not feel pain after a few days, I would think it would be the same as docking.

I also believe docking is cruel and abusive. To cut the tail off an animal
because AKC and other clubs have made it "standard" in the breed
is a man made cruel act. A dog was born with a tail, man said remove
it! I agree, I think both are uncalled for. Man made these rules not
the poor dog who has to suffer threw the pain to look like man
wants them too. Sad.
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I would NEVER debark one of my dogs. I would NEVER buy from a breeder who debarked their dogs. I wouldn't even be friends with someone who has debarked their dog. That is how much the whole idea of debarking disturbs me. It just seems cruel and unnecessary. I have owned dogs that have barked alot, and successfully managed to train them to bark less. It takes time and patience.

I'm sorry if that offends anyone who has debarked their dog.




After reading this whole thread and trying to respond with an opinion, then erasing it, editing, erase, edit, lol. I find my feelings to echo exactly what you've said, thank you!!
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I don't know if anyone has mentioned this or not, but debarking the old way, the cords do grow back. I am not sure if the bark is the same or not, but I have been told the vocal cords do indeed regrow.

Now the new way, burning them, I don't know if they will grow back or not..?

I do agree it seems cruel, but in certain situations if all other methods have been exhausted, it might be the better of two evils.

I agree with Jencar98 and livingdustmops as far as the debarking compared to worse things issue.
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I don't know if anyone has mentioned this or not, but debarking the old way, the cords do grow back. I am not sure if the bark is the same or not, but I have been told the vocal cords do indeed regrow.

Now the new way, burning them, I don't know if they will grow back or not..?

I do agree it seems cruel, but in certain situations if all other methods have been exhausted, it might be the better of two evils.

I agree with Jencar98 and livingdustmops as far as the debarking compared to worse things issue.
Actually they do grow back on some. The bark can be the same and most that I know that do do it, do it on one side and not both sides of the vocal cords but let me REMIND EVERYONE I don't debark I just don't hold it against anyone that does, like I don't hold it against anyone that declaws and again I don't do that either!
Trust me there are far worse things that can be done to animals than debarking....
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Thank you for the info Donna!!

I wish it were unnessesary for you to have to remind some folks of what you have already said, more than a few times!
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Thank you for the info Donna!!

I wish it were unnessesary for you to have to remind some folks of what you have already said, more than a few times!
Thanks Abby and really it's ok they are entitled to their opinion and they are passionate about it as I am with certain things However, I do answer my disagreements alittle bit better and more politically correct But I really do thank you for your kind words

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But you're out voted on this issue. And yes parents of children that cry too much are often visited by children's social service and do get put in jail when the reason for the excessive crying is found to be abuse......

Better to train the puppies not to bark than debark.

And yes I don't know anything about you until today as probably many other Yorkie Talk members but now we do and personally I would never buy a puppy from you from just the few posts you have made today...........

I will take all the puppies you have off your hands for free that you want to debark though.
Hello but either you are too tired, not reading well or need glasses because she never said she debarks her dogs!

Shame on you that is REALLY uncalled for and rude! She has said a million times she doesn't agree with it and wouldn't do it but knows some GOOD breeders who have done it. Learn to read please, you offend more the none person with your rude comments!
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