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Old 08-21-2011, 06:23 AM   #16
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He's a perfectly healthy little dog with no health or behavioral issues whatsoever. I just plain don't want to be involved in showing any more, nothing wrong with the dog. He's beautiful and I'm proud he came this far.
Sorry you gave up on the showing part. It is not an easy thing to learn all the whys and wherefores of the show rings. Hope you do find a good home for this little guy soon. Yes you certainly can't keep them all and I know he will be happy in a good pet home.
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Sorry you gave up on the showing part. It is not an easy thing to learn all the whys and wherefores of the show rings. Hope you do find a good home for this little guy soon. Yes you certainly can't keep them all and I know he will be happy in a good pet home.
It did take a while though, because I'm not naturally cunning. The part I'm still not understanding is what's the point. Two or three friends enter a bunch of dogs in a show to build up a few points. They've been on the scene a few years and are known to the judges. A newby showing up with a gorgeous dog will most likely be overlooked by most judges until a year or two of being out there every weekend and becomes a familiar face. The show regulars will make their dogs look good or bad depending on who they've decided amongst themselves should win the points. Voila, a champion is made, but what is that champion worth in a mostly rigged system? I know it isn't like that all the time everywhere, but I've seen and heard enough.
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It did take a while though, because I'm not naturally cunning. The part I'm still not understanding is what's the point. Two or three friends enter a bunch of dogs in a show to build up a few points. They've been on the scene a few years and are known to the judges. A newby showing up with a gorgeous dog will most likely be overlooked by most judges until a year or two of being out there every weekend and becomes a familiar face. The show regulars will make their dogs look good or bad depending on who they've decided amongst themselves should win the points. Voila, a champion is made, but what is that champion worth in a mostly rigged system? I know it isn't like that all the time everywhere, but I've seen and heard enough.
In a way you are right. Some championships are not worth very much. Taht's why if I am interested in someone else's stud dog for a stud service, I want to see the dog first.
Tricky bit for me was to learn the judges and what they will do and which end of the lead will they judge. Another thing I learned along the way that my mentor taught me and she was right, professional handlers or many years experience breeder/owner/handlers can make a lesser dog look better even though maybe I have the better dog.
And yes you do have to be out there consistently to become that familiar face called paying your dues.
HOwever, having hung around the show rings for many years, been part of the show rings myself, there is nothing more pleasing than seeing a lovely show yorkie strutting their stuff around that ring with a good handler who knows what they are doing in presenting the dog. Yes I have seen some pretty poor quality put up for points, hard to fathom of course, but I don't know of anything where competing is involved where the system is perfect.
Then there are also possibilities you would not know that a judge does because they actually examine the dog, such as poor bite, poor stifles, coat issue that sort of thing that you would not notice at ringside unless you knew the dog. Some judges will not put up certain things regardless.
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I can completely understand your point. I show American Shetland Ponies, and there are politics in that as well. It can be frustrating at times. We are at the point where we can hold our own against the professional trainers. Good luck choosing the right home for your boy.
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I would consider him with full registration.
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I'd give him free to the TRUSTWORTHY breeder who can finish this dog. He's only a year old, he'll "body up" as some say he needs to do. He's not perfect but has a lot going for him, including the coveted straight topline. I'd stick with it except that the shows are so hard to get to from here and I'm clumsy as hell in the ring. There's more I won't post in public.
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Wish I knew the ring better....I would take him and show him, have always wanted too.....I have a breeder I would ask to mentor me....of course not sure she would say yes :-)
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Wish I knew the ring better....I would take him and show him, have always wanted too.....I have a breeder I would ask to mentor me....of course not sure she would say yes :-)
95% of it is desire to go in the ring, and I have absolutely none. Cooch needs majors and he's only a year old with lots of time left to get them. You want to finish him he's yours, and that's no fooling!
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He is stunning. He looks like a champion to me as is.
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Would love to....I love the shows and all those beautiful Yorkies with the attitudes for the ring......but I am rescue all the way and would not be able to breed him...so then we would have a champion...that I would want to neuter :-)



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95% of it is desire to go n the ring, and I have absolutely none. Cooch needs majors and he's only a year old with lots of time left to get them. You want to finish him he's yours, and that's no fooling!
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Would love to....I love the shows and all those beautiful Yorkies with the attitudes for the ring......but I am rescue all the way and would not be able to breed him...so then we would have a champion...that I would want to neuter :-)
Izzy's little boy, Butch all over again. We named him Samson as a reminder he needs to stay strong--
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Oh wish I saw him that day...now he would be someone I would love

Remember that day at the show with Izzie? She refused to walk on her lead
outside the ring, but once she got in the ring she strutted like she owned the
place. That is the attitude I love to watch at the shows.

Cooch is just beautiful..... champion or not. He sounds like a very sweet boy
and will make someone very happy.... price is reasonable too for our area considering you will neuter him....
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Just another one of your BEAUTIFUL DOGS!!! I certainly wish I were back in Boston to see him!!! He is just stunning , what a cute little face. I love the shows too, they are just so fun to go to!! We have a couple big ones coming up in Florida right down the street from me... its supposed to be huge, I cant wait to go!!! Hoping the little man finds a wonderful forever home!! I hope all is well with you !!!!
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In a way you are right. Some championships are not worth very much. Taht's why if I am interested in someone else's stud dog for a stud service, I want to see the dog first.
Tricky bit for me was to learn the judges and what they will do and which end of the lead will they judge. Another thing I learned along the way that my mentor taught me and she was right, professional handlers or many years experience breeder/owner/handlers can make a lesser dog look better even though maybe I have the better dog.
And yes you do have to be out there consistently to become that familiar face called paying your dues.
HOwever, having hung around the show rings for many years, been part of the show rings myself, there is nothing more pleasing than seeing a lovely show yorkie strutting their stuff around that ring with a good handler who knows what they are doing in presenting the dog. Yes I have seen some pretty poor quality put up for points, hard to fathom of course, but I don't know of anything where competing is involved where the system is perfect.
Then there are also possibilities you would not know that a judge does because they actually examine the dog, such as poor bite, poor stifles, coat issue that sort of thing that you would not notice at ringside unless you knew the dog. Some judges will not put up certain things regardless.
So your saying no matter how good a yorkie you have even if he is a model yorkie he still would not win until he has been shown alot of times? I guess paying your dues means buying a championship title. I personally think the best dog should win and even its his first show. Punishing newbies is not something i would be proud of.
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So your saying no matter how good a yorkie you have even if he is a model yorkie he still would not win until he has been shown alot of times? I guess paying your dues means buying a championship title. I personally think the best dog should win and even its his first show. Punishing newbies is not something i would be proud of.
What I meant, and I think Lorraine was agreeing with, is that the judges seem to favor people they've been seeing in the ring for some time. A newby will have a hard time even with the most beautiful dog but a well known handler with that same dog will finish his CH very quickly. Basically, judges tend to focus more on the people than the dogs. "Paying your dues" means you spend a couple of years going into the ring with your dog without expecting to win much until the judges know you. It has little to do with the dog. There are, of course, a number of tricks that can help buy a title, but that's a different discussion.
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