japapups in ky beware or not

[cutiepieyorkies]

ok again my bad for buying this pup to soon but sometimes when you talk to someone over a year you learn to trust ( i had a super brain fart )As for my vet he has saved a many of abused dogs and is really very good As i said it was a busy sat morn and it just got missed the first time could have happened to anyone as far as trust my vet i would trust with any one of my dogs
this has never happened before i bought a pup a few years ago and the font was found right away this one is 0.5cm by 0.2 cm the problem is dixie is 2.10 at five months and even if she got to 4 she would still be to small to show and i would never breed her font or not she is very fine boned each yorkie grows at there own rate her sister are over 4 and 5 pounds and they are full sisters and same age all i know this was how dr grimes explained dixie to me and he is pams vet again he said when a dog has a certain dwarfism the do not grow and usually they have an open font and the dwarfism causes the font not to close because of the retardation of growth i dont understand it all just going by what i was told
i really do not see her getting much bigger i have 10 week old pups as big as her as far as body you just cant know unless you actually put you hands on and see for your self i can post all the pictures i need to but hands on tells the story my major concern is if pam is breeding dogs with open fonts please stop for the sake of the dogs and there offspring
i know dixie will be fine she could not ask for a better forever home as far as i am concerned and yes it could close but very unlikely it has not changed in size at all i know all do not understand but there is alot more to this story and it could go on forever and my main thing is for dixie to be happy and loved

[francis53]

Originally Posted by tegamom1

I have never heard of a "quality" full registration bitch going for $800.00. Maybe $1500 to $2000.00 and that's just with champions somewhere back in the pedigree. It's rare for even pet quality, limited registration puppies to go for that. Please understand, I am not trying to be rude or anything, I am just surprised.

I agree completely with this. I spent $4,000 to purchase my male and 2 females for breeding purposes. $800 sounds more like a pet quality pup to me.

[cutiepieyorkies]

well i do know she spent alot more than 800 a piece for these two girls pams prices are very high i think they were 1600 a piece

[cutiepieyorkies]

well i have $10.500 invested in my 4 so i do know what show quality dogs cost and good breeding stock i think she is just refering to if she has to not include these girl in her breeding program not sure just guessing

[cutiepieyorkies]

and another question do you believe because dixie font is not great big and she did grow she could be showed or bred even if the font does not close

[Yorkiesforever]

I have never heard of a "quality" full registration bitch going for $800.00. Maybe $1500 to $2000.00 and that's just with champions somewhere back in the pedigree. It's rare for even pet quality, limited registration puppies to go for that. Please understand, I am not trying to be rude or anything, I am just surprised.
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Mary Ann
Fancy & C.J.

Mary Ann,

your surprised,
That is what I am saying I paid 3200.00 for "PETS" Come on they are 800.00 dogs. Pam should refund me $1600.00.

[CC's]

I am not saying anything bad about you buying the pup or reselling her. I understand she will be to small and you don't want an open font in your program.

I am happy she is going to a good home.


I posted because I didn't want anyone to think an open font meant you had a dwarf. Dwarfs are definitely physically different looking. Have you ever seen a "munchkin" cat? The body is regular size and the long bones of the legs are almost not there. Its very obvious. Its not something you have to feel for.

I will agree that the "miniaturization" of the yorkies maybe why some have open fonts. The tinies have them mostly. But that's a completely different thing.


The advise on checking for obvious stuff before buying was just a heads up for anyone looking. It can be done at 8 weeks old. That's when the first evaluation of a pup is done by many breeders.

Teeth may change but jaw bones rarely repair or get straighter, an inquial hernia can be found by standing the pup up on hind feet and looking for any bulges, (sometimes you can't see them otherwise). Top lines can go off but don't usually get much better if already roached at 8 weeks. Cow hocked legs or popping knees at 8 weeks is not a good thing either.
Open fonts found just by rubbing the head.
Any of these things at 8 weeks would rule out a breeding/showing pup.

This can be done quickly and save someone disappointment later.

Sorry I guess this is off topic and should have been somewhere else, but I didn't want you to think I was scolding you for buying the pup.

[cutiepieyorkies]

on no i understand and again my bad for buying her pam did not let me see her before hand other than pictures the great american internet and as i said i trusted her as far as i am concerned another bad internet buy
and she would not let me come to her home to see pup before hand or the parents BIG RED FLAG ON MY PART I KNEW BETTER AND MAYBE TO MUCH WAS GOING ON FOR ME AT THE TIME to have been looking i will take a very long look next time for sure and make sure my hands are on and see parents and feel them for fonts as well and if this is not allowed ill walk but better yet i should stick to the show people i know and respect
i was looking to outcross and expand my line and made an unwise choice

[cutiepieyorkies]

plus i though she showed or its what she lead me to believe my bad for not digging deeper and she was in to much of a hurry to take my money
well maybe pams vet is wrong i was told that certain types of dwarfism
is what actually causes the fonts it is because of slow maturety and growth retardation and that the font do not cause the slow growth i am just glad for dixie i have been so worried that in play one of my girls teeth
would accidently hit this font so i have been watching very carefully
and not letting dixie play with the others as much

[yorkiedad123]

hi like to say yes, you know what your talking about that dixie was not a dwarf and the open font, no maybe, if even she got big enough, dont breed dixie, but the 2 sisters well shes got some nice stock there, only breed to an outside line and youll be fine, the bloodlines you got sister are worth every penny, breed yorself som showdogs from them , use a quality male, as far as ears, ive seen some not come up till theys almost grown, you got a deal with them girl!! jim

[yorkiedad123]

Originally Posted by Yorkiesforever

I have never heard of a "quality" full registration bitch going for $800.00. Maybe $1500 to $2000.00 and that's just with champions somewhere back in the pedigree. It's rare for even pet quality, limited registration puppies to go for that. Please understand, I am not trying to be rude or anything, I am just surprised.
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Mary Ann
Fancy & C.J.

Mary Ann,

your surprised,
That is what I am saying I paid 3200.00 for "PETS" Come on they are 800.00 dogs. Pam should refund me $1600.00.

i think you got a deal on them , that girl pam bought her prestigious male for 3000.00 cash, and her female for 2000.00 , she wont even breed out her males as for quality, its in the bloodline girl, got to breed them to a ch male and youll be surpriz at what youll get , let a showman tell ya, plus you got the stuff i only wish i bought when is lookin jim

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by yorkiedad123

hi like to say yes, you know what your talking about that dixie was not a dwarf and the open font, no maybe, if even she got big enough, dont breed dixie, but the 2 sisters well shes got some nice stock there, only breed to an outside line and youll be fine, the bloodlines you got sister are worth every penny, breed yorself som showdogs from them , use a quality male, as far as ears, ive seen some not come up till theys almost grown, you got a deal with them girl!! jim

just curious, why are you defending Pam and her horrible breeding practices? you a 'friend' of hers/ deal or no deal, the lady didn't get what she paid for and was shown pictures of.

[yorkiedad123]

also your insulting the prestigious line sayin stuf like that, and also belinas line, you should watch yourself cutting too deep there sayin only 800.00 dogs , your dead wrong girl, you must be new to the show circuit jim, insults go a long way ,youll never get a dog from these people now, bequiet and let them alone youll be happy once you get a good litter, your lucky yours are the breeding size and from the past pics i seen the hair is doing fine, you dont want a bunch of fluffy hair, thin is better cause it will be silk eventually jim

[mistyinca]

Originally Posted by yorkiedad123

also your insulting the prestigious line sayin stuf like that, and also belinas line, you should watch yourself cutting too deep there sayin only 800.00 dogs , your dead wrong girl, you must be new to the show circuit jim, insults go a long way ,youll never get a dog from these people now, bequiet and let them alone youll be happy once you get a good litter, your lucky yours are the breeding size and from the past pics i seen the hair is doing fine, you dont want a bunch of fluffy hair, thin is better cause it will be silk eventually jim

[oldmanluvsyorks]

I agree with yorkiedad123. This is so sad.