Glenda Beavers Pet Store Issue

[Susan123]

These are copied and pasted quotes from Ines3185lyorkie

1.GB states that she didn't send "her" puppies to a pet shop.

2. It seems some are obsessed with Karen Nobody is obsessed with Karen and you. Don't give yourselves that much credit. But it seems that you and Karen are obsessed and intent on tearing this breeder down.


1. So it's okay that she sends other breeders dogs to a petstore, possible brokering?

2. It appears Karen isn't obsessed, after all she's enjoying her Thanksgiving holiday and we're the ones posting about it.

From what I understand, she does work (probably volunteer) investigating pet stores regarding them buying from puppymills. She does not research Glenda Beavers, but her name did appear and she saw another thread about her that was closed so I guess she thought she'd post what she discovered here. She also said she finds out alot by googling the breeders which is probably how she got here.

Forgive the pun, but I don't have a dog in this fight. I'm not friends with either of them. Actually thought well of Glenda. If anyone really wants to prove Karen to be a liar(and I don't think she is), call the Department of Agriculture Animal Control Division in Hartford Connecticut on Monday morning. Or better yet if anyone is near, go by there. Other than that, I don't see this going anywhere.

[bildio]

Originally Posted by ree

I really think you are mad at the wrong people

Maybe we should include the vets that sign such certificates. Where's the ethics? Don't they do research, and want to make sure pups get a good home? The answer, likely right or wrong is they're just doing their job, and someone has to do it. Where do you draw the line? Ree - I'm not looking for you to defend your comment. I'm just making an observation that your comment brought to mind.

[jrsygal37]

I read your last post and just wanted to clarify. Glenda said she did not send HER puppies to petstore, however, she also said that SHE DID ship pups as a favor to a friend. Does that make it right or reputable just because it was not her personal stock that went to the store?

According to the document/s not document MULTIPLE shipments were made. It was not just a one time lack of judgment.

Inez you made mention of "you and your friends". I just want to clarify that I AM NO ONE"S FRIEND. I do not know Glenda and I do not know ANY of those posting on this thread other then Sugar's Mom. As a reputable rescue member I work diligently every day to help in shutting bad breeders down, shutting pet stores (because pet stores keep puppymills in business).

I came on because I was sent the document/s and as someone that works with digital photography and photoshop etc. I do not see anything to indicate that these were doctored up. I believe them to be the real deal. And, whether Karen is new or a long standing member she did not deserve to be crusifide for supplying info. that no one wanted to hear.

Do you all remember Stacy from PA? She was very very reputable then one person came forward to tell their story. Many came on then too to defend Stacy. Then another came on and another with their stories. All were afraid to speak up due to Stacy's reputation. Next thing you know there was an article in the paper about multiple violations at her kennel. Even reputable breeders/nice people make mistakes, take bad turns. It's not something any of us want to believe or see but it does happen.

Friendship or not it's hard to ignore the document/s. MULTIPLE SHIPMENTS, DIFFERENT BREEDS, ALL GOING TO A PETSTORE. What do we tell new YT members when they are looking for a breeder? A sure red flag is a breeder that breeds many different breeds. Yet, if what Glenda is saying is the truth that she shipped pups for a friend that would mean the friend she shipped for breeds multiple different breeds (or) did she ship for MANY different friends?

I'm not here to tarnish anyone. I believe everyone is entitled to a mistake and is entitled to correct it. There are many breeders and it's up to us to educate people And, I believe that Karen tried to do just that.

Elaine.

[phfgkl]

Originally Posted by Ines3185lyorkie

I have to say that this has become like the Jerry Springer Show..maybe GB has more integrity. She already posted what happened. There will always be those who love to see an accident scene and those who look the other way. Which are you?

Everyone has a right to their own opinions. As I said, I've seen proof, too bad you choose to ignore the "truth". That's your opinion though. If you like her, go ahead and buy from her, no one is stopping you!

[bildio]

Originally Posted by phfgkl

Everyone has a right to their own opinions. As I said, I've seen proof, too bad you choose to ignore the "truth". That's your opinion though. If you like her, go ahead and buy from her, no one is stopping you!

Here's mine, opinion that is. I did research before on GB before this thread, and my opinion has not been changed at all. I'm currently discussing the purchase of a pup with her.

All the OP's post did, as far as I'm concerned, was create disharmony in the wonderful YT community. I think she is legitimate, but I don't know what's behind her post. Is she a true YT member. I doubt it. After this thread she'll likely be done with YT. Some forums screen before potential members can join. If this was the case with YT, and the OP stated her purpose, we may never have had this controversy. Bottom line - no one is the winner.

Moderator: Time to lock this thread so we can move on to productive YT topics.

Let's hope I've had the final word. It's never happened, but there's always a first time .

[TammyJM]

Originally Posted by bildio

Here's mine, opinion that is. I did research before on GB before this thread, and my opinion has not been changed at all. I'm currently discussing the purchase of a pup with her.

All the OP's post did, as far as I'm concerned, was create disharmony in the wonderful YT community. I think she is legitimate, but I don't know what's behind her post. Is she a true YT member. I doubt it. After this thread she'll likely be done with YT. Some forums screen before potential members can join. If this was the case with YT, and the OP stated her purpose, we may never have had this controversy. Bottom line - no one is the winner.

Moderator: Time to lock this thread so we can move on to productive YT topics.

Let's hope I've had the final word. It's never happened, but there's always a first time .

I do not understand why you would want this thread to be locked. I also do not think that YT should be "private" just to keep breeders, that are in the wrong, safe from the truth being told. You said, "no one is a winner"....I like to think that maybe YT (seeing that it is an open forum) has educated some potential buyers. Obviously, you are sticking to your guns and still plan to buy from her and that is completely your choice. But I bet there are plenty of people out there that have a new found perspective.

Tammy

[Susan123]

Why are posts being deleted? 2 pages of posts are gone. never mind, I see.

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by Susan123

Why are posts being deleted? 2 pages of posts are gone. never mind, I see.

They were not deleted. I split the post into 2 threads. The original thread (first 3 pages) was about "Celtic/Puppies by Marie" - which is now a separate thread.

The Glenda Beavers posts started on page 3 of the original thread - those are now Page 1 of this thread.

[bildio]

Originally Posted by TammyJM

I do not understand why you would want this thread to be locked. Tammy

It's getting very repetitive. No new facts have been presented, just opinion.

[jrsygal37]

"Moderator: Time to lock this thread so we can move on to productive YT topics."

I think this is a productive topic. It involves a good breeder with a good reputation involved with shipping pups (Whether hers or not) to a pet store. Shipping not once but multiple times. I think that it's educational to know your breeder both good and bad. I will agree that at this time it's really just become a debate over who is right and wrong and is becoming non-productive. I would be interested in seeing where these pups orginated from /who they originated from. Unfortunaetly the only way to actually know this is to see their AKC papers. I do not feel that Glenda should be assumed guilty but as a person in the public eye it would be advantagous for her to she came on and atleast try to clear it up. Coming on and saying "I did a favor for a friend" is not clearing it up. That friend would have had to breed multiple breeds in which she shipped for him / her multiple times (or) she's shipped for multiple breeders? I would be interested to atleast here what breeder/s she shipped for and why they did not ship their own pups?

If you read the FAQ on Puppy Love's site it states that ALL their breeders are licensed and inspected which means they are USDA Licensed as ALL persons legally have to be in order to sell to a pet store. Small time home breeders are not USDA Licensed. Large Kennels are. The reason is they sell in volume enabling to sell cheap which enables the pet store to make a profit.

FAQ on Puppy Love's site also states they come in after the age of eight weeks. Well, that's because Legally they cannot take them any earlier. This is the minimum age a pet store is allowed to sell a pup.

FAQ we generally sell between 65 - 110 puppies per month (and many more over the holidays). We price them according to cost and age of the puppy, as well as the availability of the breed.

And you really believe these dogs come from upstanding breeders?

[TammyJM]

Originally Posted by bildio

It's getting very repetitive. No new facts have been presented, just opinion. If there's something new, it can be presented in a new thread.

What "new" facts do you want....more health certificates of dogs that Glenda has shipped to pet stores? I agree with you and how this thread is kind of over...it ended when Glenda, herself, admitted to shipping puppies to a pet store.

Tammy

[jrsygal37]

Originally Posted by TammyJM

What "new" facts do you want....more health certificates of dogs that Glenda has shipped to pet stores? I agree with you and how this thread is kind of over...it ended when Glenda, herself, admitted to shipping puppies to a pet store.

Tammy

Good Post Tammy.

[bildio]

Originally Posted by TammyJM

What "new" facts do you want....more health certificates of dogs that Glenda has shipped to pet stores? I agree with you and how this thread is kind of over...it ended when Glenda, herself, admitted to shipping puppies to a pet store.
Tammy

You misunderstood, or I did not communicate properly. We're rehashing the same fact over and over. You just repeated the fact again. I/we get it.

[YorkieAZ]

Originally Posted by bildio

Here's mine, opinion that is. I did research before on GB before this thread, and my opinion has not been changed at all. I'm currently discussing the purchase of a pup with her.

All the OP's post did, as far as I'm concerned, was create disharmony in the wonderful YT community. I think she is legitimate, but I don't know what's behind her post. Is she a true YT member. I doubt it. After this thread she'll likely be done with YT. Some forums screen before potential members can join. If this was the case with YT, and the OP stated her purpose, we may never have had this controversy. Bottom line - no one is the winner.

Moderator: Time to lock this thread so we can move on to productive YT topics.

Let's hope I've had the final word. It's never happened, but there's always a first time .

After seeing the facts, I can say that my opinion has changed. I would never purchase from a breeder whose ethics believe it is okay to send anyones dogs to a pet store.

[phfgkl]

Originally Posted by TammyJM

What "new" facts do you want....more health certificates of dogs that Glenda has shipped to pet stores? I agree with you and how this thread is kind of over...it ended when Glenda, herself, admitted to shipping puppies to a pet store.

Tammy