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CGP · 11-29-2008, 08:36 PM

ree well said!!!
This is the only thread I have every really posted on and I did it ONLY because I also was seeing how Karen was being treated....over the years I have held myself from being any part of any posting, BUT this was where I drew the line...There was no sense in the names she was being called.

ree · 11-29-2008, 08:37 PM

QUOTE=CGP;2353855]And when I send dogs to handlers, owned by me or not, my name is on the paper work, not the breeders/owners name. Its the person sending the dog that is on the paperwork.

Not always....why did GB take them to the vet?.....why did she send them in her name? ...... sending to a handler and sending to a pet store is 2 different things...
I have taken a freinds dog to the vet...and everything was in my friends name..not mine....I have shipped for a friend and the shipping paper work was in my friends name not mine........so if not her dogs then WHY her name?[/QUOTE]

Absolutely! I agree 100%

ree · 11-29-2008, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CGP

ree well said!!!
This is the only thread I have every really posted on and I did it ONLY because I also was seeing how Karen was being treated....over the years I have held myself from being any part of any posting, BUT this was where I drew the line...There was no sense in the names she was being called.

yes, it was purely disgraceful..

yorkiesonboard · 11-29-2008, 09:31 PM

Yorkieist.. You seem to be so so defensive of this situation don't you.
Hmm makes me wonder?
For one thing everything everyone is saying about her shipping for a friend, thats a crock, she sold out to a petstore, sterstores support puppymills, people who sell to petstores, whther they are show people or not in my opinion are pure SCUM, they are no better than the horrible puppymills themselves.
I guess with a person like you, you would defend a person who got behind the wheel of a car after having 2 drinks and killed someone, and the driver would say I only had 2 drinks, I drove only because my friend wanted me too because they had 3 drinks, I guess you would consider that a mistake too, because they were only helping their "friend" because their friend had 1 more drink than he?
Why are you in such defense?
I have read and read through so many posts here, you all show people putting down so many other yorkie breeders because they dont show, well I believe that at least those that breed and are not into the showing and dont put themseleves up on the high and mighty throne are so much better than alot of the so called prefessional show breeders.
What do you all clal them, oh yeah BYB, I am bet these so called BYB take much better care and put their puppies first and foremost before the almighty dollar!

Brooklynn · 11-29-2008, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yorkiesonboard

Yorkieist.. You seem to be so so defensive of this situation don't you.
Hmm makes me wonder?
For one thing everything everyone is saying about her shipping for a friend, thats a crock, she sold out to a petstore, sterstores support puppymills, people who sell to petstores, whther they are show people or not in my opinion are pure SCUM, they are no better than the horrible puppymills themselves.
I guess with a person like you, you would defend a person who got behind the wheel of a car after having 2 drinks and killed someone, and the driver would say I only had 2 drinks, I drove only because my friend wanted me too because they had 3 drinks, I guess you would consider that a mistake too, because they were only helping their "friend" because their friend had 1 more drink than he?
Why are you in such defense?
I have read and read through so many posts here, you all show people putting down so many other yorkie breeders because they dont show, well I believe that at least those that breed and are not into the showing and dont put themseleves up on the high and mighty throne are so much better than alot of the so called prefessional show breeders.
What do you all clal them, oh yeah BYB, I am bet these so called BYB take much better care and put their puppies first and foremost before the almighty dollar!

I"m a show breeder and I don't make money on my dogs so I don't think I'm all high and mighty....please don't lump me being a show breeder in your quote. There are just as many "NON" show yorkie breeders that get up on their high horse just as much as you say we show breeders do....BYB's DO NOT CARE what they are breeding MOST but not all....and I take care of my dogs so please don't lump this show breeder with the almight dollar! We are all entitled to defend who we want whether it's the support of a show breeder OR a BYB and I DO NOT SUPPORT BYB's or PUPPYMILLS!!! BYB's mostly do NOT do the required health testing and or know their lines in which they breed and some breeders that do not show will do health testing and breed to standard but most are BYB's unless they are in it for the betterment of the breed. I won't post on this topic anymore but had to point out not all show breeders are for the all mighty dollar!

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

Saleswman · 11-29-2008, 09:59 PM

On this original poster.....as, being here for over 2 years,I have read it all......and I mean all.....from,

--people unqualified to breed and raise dogs in general talk about how much money they make on their pups
--that how awful "puppy stores/puppy mills are.....but yet several made mistakes early in their "career" in yorkies and bought one
--to people breeding undersized yorkies, or just to be breeding because they look like they would have cute puppies....
--to risking the health of their yorkies just to have puppies
--to trolling for reasons beyond my understanding
--to passing judgement ....and I am sure you'll all find that a lot here sometimes
--to making a statement questioning someone's ethics for selfish gain....its kind of like the "foot in mouth" thing...???
--to quick decisions to defame someone, which does happen unfortunately.

Oh, I could go on and on.....I am sure the "long timers" know just what I am speaking about....

I have a few red flags, and believe me I am the last to "trust" many people....

First, why has the original poster just have under 10 posts?
Second, and the ones defending her have less than 50....
Third, the burden of proof will be unfortunately on GB, which I do know....but when someone makes accusations, then buddy you better be prepared to defend IN COURT those statements. And if I were her......I would do just that.
Fourth. the more tenure here....the more credibility you have EARNED! Period. Most of use know more about each other than we care to discuss......
Fifth Disgusting, that such statements defending the OP was so much more important, than the credibility of someone who probably has invested more time in improving the breed than the OP was in age.....go figure...
Six I don't know or care to defend anyone that does not have enough sense to take this discussion to a more private arena. That in itself makes me question the OP' credibility and reasoning......and I don't have to defend myself with that....I don't use slanderous language, nor do I want to hear it being said...

I am an adult, and I being very interested in improving the breed will reserve my opinion, and make decisions based on first hand information. Not necessarily heresay .

Well, what has come out of this thread, is non repairable damage to both a long time show person, and to the YTalk community.....and I guess it places this forum exactly where it should be. I would hate to be the one to pass judgement on anyone......."he who casts the first stone......."

This my friends is an abomination.

yorkiekist · 11-29-2008, 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yorkiesonboard

Yorkieist.. You seem to be so so defensive of this situation don't you.
Hmm makes me wonder?
For one thing everything everyone is saying about her shipping for a friend, thats a crock, she sold out to a petstore, sterstores support puppymills, people who sell to petstores, whther they are show people or not in my opinion are pure SCUM, they are no better than the horrible puppymills themselves.
I guess with a person like you, you would defend a person who got behind the wheel of a car after having 2 drinks and killed someone, and the driver would say I only had 2 drinks, I drove only because my friend wanted me too because they had 3 drinks, I guess you would consider that a mistake too, because they were only helping their "friend" because their friend had 1 more drink than he?
Why are you in such defense?
I have read and read through so many posts here, you all show people putting down so many other yorkie breeders because they dont show, well I believe that at least those that breed and are not into the showing and dont put themseleves up on the high and mighty throne are so much better than alot of the so called prefessional show breeders.
What do you all clal them, oh yeah BYB, I am bet these so called BYB take much better care and put their puppies first and foremost before the almighty dollar!

Dont pretend to think that you know me. I dont defend friends or people that break the law.
And if you havent noticed, pet stores are FULL of bybr and mill dogs and these people must be in it for the $$$. So dont even compare them to hobby/exhibitor breeders. I just get sick of alot of the people on here that jump for joy when anything negative is said about a well respected breeder without 100% of the facts. But, amazingly, nothing is said about all of the bybrs on here that dont breed to the standard, dont do health testing before breeding, dont have their Yorkies evaluated by a judge or knowlegable breeder before breeding, breed many litters per year just to "have puppies", and the list goes on. And you cant tell me its only for the "joy" of having puppies. Get real, its for the almighty $$$. I am done with this thread.

Ines3185lyorkie · 11-30-2008, 05:27 AM

I stand up for Glenda because I do believe that she is saying is the truth. As a matter of fact she has $$ she is holding for me since 10/08 for a puppy. It's in her bank account. I wired her that that money, just like I wired $$ for my girl yorkie Nina, which I bought from her. Glenda is an honest, no nonsense person. She posted and gave all her personal information.

I'd like the OP "researcher" KARENANN to also post her personal info also. Name the agency that is researching or reporting breeders who ship to puppy mills. If she doesn't then it means that she is afraid that Glenda can take her to court for defamation of character.

If the OP's intent is to educate, then help us by providing us ALL the tools we need to find out the truth. Or are you making things up??

ree · 11-30-2008, 06:14 AM

This is going around and around. to those of you who are up set, why don't you just ask the moderator to delete this entire thread. This way it will be ended. You ladies are up set that it came out, but you are directing you anger at the wrong people. You should be up set with your friend. No one is ruining her reputation but her self. You deal with pets shops, you take the chance of being exposed. She should of thought of this before she did this. Lets just give her the benefit of doubt, it was her friends puppies. Why on earth would you even want to send puppies to a pet shop? Some one who loves any animal would never even think of doing so. Why would she allow her name to be on any papers related to it at all, even if it was this one time? I am not a breeder, and if I were I would never be able to do this, even one time, no matter who's puppies they belonged to.. could you imagine your dogs that you love being there? I can't. So why would it be ok for these little babies? We see rescue groups ad's and breeders web sites, many of them will tell you do not buy your puppy from a pet shop, to go to a reputable breeder.. well, they are trying to educate the public..so how does it feel when you find a reputable breeder, and they are involved in pet shops..for them self or a friend..?? This is the point that is being made here.

Not one person said she had terrible dogs, or anything negative about her dogs or breeding program at all. The problem is that someone well known for many years was involved with a pet shop , which is shocking to hear about someone you would not expect to hear it about.

The last note. Just because some of you been on here for a long time, and maybe have 2000 plus posts doesn't really mean anything when it comes to right from wrong. It simply means you posted much more than the next person, so does this make you more knowledgeable or have more common sense than some one who has less than 50 posts? I don't see where numbers give you have the upper hand and credibility. Are you saying by your number of posts make you always right or being true. Are you also saying when you first joined, everything that you wrote was unacceptable, not true or you didn't know what you were talking about ? You don't deserve any more credibility because you sit on here constantly writing away for years..and that does not make you any better because of it. It's a forum for pete's sake...

ps..It seems some are obsessed with Karen. If you so desperately need more and more proof, just pick the phone up and research it your self , this is so old already. There is nothing to be taking any one to court for, any one can have access to a public record of any kind.. she simply stated this woman has shipped to pet shops... this is not a court case .

gardenyorkies · 11-30-2008, 06:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saleswman

On this original poster.....as, being here for over 2 years,I have read it all......and I mean all.....from,

--people unqualified to breed and raise dogs in general talk about how much money they make on their pups
--that how awful "puppy stores/puppy mills are.....but yet several made mistakes early in their "career" in yorkies and bought one
--to people breeding undersized yorkies, or just to be breeding because they look like they would have cute puppies....
--to risking the health of their yorkies just to have puppies
--to trolling for reasons beyond my understanding
--to passing judgement ....and I am sure you'll all find that a lot here sometimes
--to making a statement questioning someone's ethics for selfish gain....its kind of like the "foot in mouth" thing...???
--to quick decisions to defame someone, which does happen unfortunately.

Oh, I could go on and on.....I am sure the "long timers" know just what I am speaking about....

I have a few red flags, and believe me I am the last to "trust" many people....

First, why has the original poster just have under 10 posts?
Second, and the ones defending her have less than 50....
Third, the burden of proof will be unfortunately on GB, which I do know....but when someone makes accusations, then buddy you better be prepared to defend IN COURT those statements. And if I were her......I would do just that.
Fourth. the more tenure here....the more credibility you have EARNED! Period. Most of use know more about each other than we care to discuss......
Fifth Disgusting, that such statements defending the OP was so much more important, than the credibility of someone who probably has invested more time in improving the breed than the OP was in age.....go figure...
Six I don't know or care to defend anyone that does not have enough sense to take this discussion to a more private arena. That in itself makes me question the OP' credibility and reasoning......and I don't have to defend myself with that....I don't use slanderous language, nor do I want to hear it being said...

I am an adult, and I being very interested in improving the breed will reserve my opinion, and make decisions based on first hand information. Not necessarily heresay .

Well, what has come out of this thread, is non repairable damage to both a long time show person, and to the YTalk community.....and I guess it places this forum exactly where it should be. I would hate to be the one to pass judgement on anyone......."he who casts the first stone......."

This my friends is an abomination.

I couldn't agree with you more!...

Ines3185lyorkie · 11-30-2008, 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ree

This is going around and around. to those of you who are up set, why don't you just ask the moderator to delete this entire thread. This way it will be ended. You ladies are up set that it came out, but you are directing you anger at the wrong people. You should be up set with your friend. No one is ruining her reputation but her self. You deal with pets shops, you take the chance of being exposed. She should of thought of this before she did this. Lets just give her the benefit of doubt, it was her friends puppies. Why on earth would you even want to send puppies to a pet shop? Some one who loves any animal would never even think of doing so. Why would she allow her name to be on any papers related to it at all, even if it was this one time? I am not a breeder, and if I were I would never be able to do this, even one time, no matter who's puppies they belonged to.. could you imagine your dogs that you love being there? I can't. So why would it be ok for these little babies? We see rescue groups ad's and breeders web sites, many of them will tell you do not buy your puppy from a pet shop, to go to a reputable breeder.. well, they are trying to educate the public..so how does it feel when you find a reputable breeder, and they are involved in pet shops..for them self or a friend..?? This is the point that is being made here.

Not one person said she had terrible dogs, or anything negative about her dogs or breeding program at all. The problem is that someone well known for many years was involved with a pet shop , which is shocking to hear about someone you would not expect to hear it about.

The last note. Just because some of you been on here for a long time, and maybe have 2000 plus posts doesn't really mean anything when it comes to right from wrong. It simply means you posted much more than the next person, so does this make you more knowledgeable or have more common sense than some one who has less than 50 posts? I don't see where numbers give you have the upper hand and credibility. Are you saying by your number of posts make you always right or being true. Are you also saying when you first joined, everything that you wrote was unacceptable, not true or you didn't know what you were talking about ? You don't deserve any more credibility because you sit on here constantly writing away for years..and that does not make you any better because of it. It's a forum for pete's sake...

ps..It seems some are obsessed with Karen. If you so desperately need more and more proof, just pick the phone up and research it your self , this is so old already. There is nothing to be taking any one to court for, any one can have access to a public record of any kind.. she simply stated this woman has shipped to pet shops... this is not a court case .

"to those of you who are up set, why don't you just ask the moderator to delete this entire thread."I did and others reported it. It seems it's ok to post an "opinion" on yt, notice I didn't state fact>
"You should be up set with your friend." She is not my friend, she is a breeder that I have dealt with and have had no problems with.

[I]"Why on earth would you even want to send puppies to a pet shop?" [/I]GB states that she didn't send "her" puppies to a pet shop.
[I]"Not one person said she had terrible dogs, or anything negative about her dogs or breeding program at all"[/I]No? you and your friend Karen have stated that she sells 'her" puppies to pet shops.

[I]"Just because some of you been on here for a long time, and maybe have 2000 plus posts doesn't really mean anything when it comes to right from wrong"[/I]No, but we find it strange when someone joins this forum just to humiliate and attack a breeder.

[I]"It seems some are obsessed with Karen"[/I]Nobody is obsessed with Karen and you. Don't give yourselves that much credit. But it seems that you and Karen are obsessed and intent on tearing this breeder down.

[I]"this is so old already"[/I]Agreed. You two should have stopped posting after Glenda gave an explanation.

[I]"this is not a court case"[/I]No, but it could become one, if Karen gives her info and Glenda decides to take her to court!

phfgkl · 11-30-2008, 06:57 AM

There are going to be some people that don't want to believe the truth. I used to live in Oklahoma, and it's one of the biggest states for puppy mills. I believe all of this, and I have heard of this Glenda Beavers before. I think the op provided the proof that everyone needs, and I find it funny that GB didn't come back on to say anything else...she's been caught and she knows it..

Ines3185lyorkie · 11-30-2008, 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phfgkl

There are going to be some people that don't want to believe the truth. I used to live in Oklahoma, and it's one of the biggest states for puppy mills. I believe all of this, and I have heard of this Glenda Beavers before. I think the op provided the proof that everyone needs, and I find it funny that GB didn't come back on to say anything else...she's been caught and she knows it..

I have to say that this has become like the Jerry Springer Show..maybe GB has more integrity. She already posted what happened. There will always be those who love to see an accident scene and those who look the other way. Which are you?

bildio · 11-30-2008, 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ines3185lyorkie

..maybe GB has more integrity. --- Which are you?

Agree.

ree · 11-30-2008, 07:21 AM

[I]"this is so old already"[/I]Agreed. You two should have stopped posting after Glenda gave an explanation.

If you really read the posts, it wasn't bashing, it was bring out facts and common sense. It was about being involved with pet shops. This is the point and it is not right. period. I can't stress that enough. Just because Glenda said..are you kidding? Of course Glenda said!

If you want to know my feelings on all of you who is keeping this going about more proof.. what I honestly feel is you are more worried about your self, more so than Glenda. It appears that a lot of you have her dogs, are out in the show ring and breed them. Now that this is out there, you probably feel this will effect you also. I understand. I am sorry this happened to you after you put your trust and spent a lot of money on your own programs. It's not our fault though. Instead of keeping this going about proof, and how unfair this is to Glenda, I think what you need to do is really get the truth from her if you can. Do your own research and find your own proof as it seems this is effecting a lot more people than Glenda alone. I really think you are mad at the wrong people

11-29-2008, 09:59 PM	#111
Saleswman Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Tennessee Posts: 1,643	Well, I know that I would have to have pause... On this original poster.....as, being here for over 2 years,I have read it all......and I mean all.....from, --people unqualified to breed and raise dogs in general talk about how much money they make on their pups --that how awful "puppy stores/puppy mills are.....but yet several made mistakes early in their "career" in yorkies and bought one --to people breeding undersized yorkies, or just to be breeding because they look like they would have cute puppies.... --to risking the health of their yorkies just to have puppies --to trolling for reasons beyond my understanding --to passing judgement ....and I am sure you'll all find that a lot here sometimes --to making a statement questioning someone's ethics for selfish gain....its kind of like the "foot in mouth" thing...??? --to quick decisions to defame someone, which does happen unfortunately. Oh, I could go on and on.....I am sure the "long timers" know just what I am speaking about.... I have a few red flags, and believe me I am the last to "trust" many people.... First, why has the original poster just have under 10 posts? Second, and the ones defending her have less than 50.... Third, the burden of proof will be unfortunately on GB, which I do know....but when someone makes accusations, then buddy you better be prepared to defend IN COURT those statements. And if I were her......I would do just that. Fourth. the more tenure here....the more credibility you have EARNED! Period. Most of use know more about each other than we care to discuss...... Fifth Disgusting, that such statements defending the OP was so much more important, than the credibility of someone who probably has invested more time in improving the breed than the OP was in age.....go figure... Six I don't know or care to defend anyone that does not have enough sense to take this discussion to a more private arena. That in itself makes me question the OP' credibility and reasoning......and I don't have to defend myself with that....I don't use slanderous language, nor do I want to hear it being said... I am an adult, and I being very interested in improving the breed will reserve my opinion, and make decisions based on first hand information. Not necessarily heresay . Well, what has come out of this thread, is non repairable damage to both a long time show person, and to the YTalk community.....and I guess it places this forum exactly where it should be. I would hate to be the one to pass judgement on anyone......."he who casts the first stone......." This my friends is an abomination.

11-30-2008, 05:27 AM	#113
Ines3185lyorkie Inactive Account Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Yorkietown Posts: 634	OP give your personal info let us find out your so called truth! I stand up for Glenda because I do believe that she is saying is the truth. As a matter of fact she has $$ she is holding for me since 10/08 for a puppy. It's in her bank account. I wired her that that money, just like I wired $$ for my girl yorkie Nina, which I bought from her. Glenda is an honest, no nonsense person. She posted and gave all her personal information. I'd like the OP "researcher" KARENANN to also post her personal info also. Name the agency that is researching or reporting breeders who ship to puppy mills. If she doesn't then it means that she is afraid that Glenda can take her to court for defamation of character. If the OP's intent is to educate, then help us by providing us ALL the tools we need to find out the truth. Or are you making things up?? Last edited by Wylie's Mom; 11-30-2008 at 06:51 AM. Reason: remove quote

11-30-2008, 06:14 AM	#114
ree Yorkie Yakker Join Date: May 2008 Location: massapequa ny Posts: 56	re This is going around and around. to those of you who are up set, why don't you just ask the moderator to delete this entire thread. This way it will be ended. You ladies are up set that it came out, but you are directing you anger at the wrong people. You should be up set with your friend. No one is ruining her reputation but her self. You deal with pets shops, you take the chance of being exposed. She should of thought of this before she did this. Lets just give her the benefit of doubt, it was her friends puppies. Why on earth would you even want to send puppies to a pet shop? Some one who loves any animal would never even think of doing so. Why would she allow her name to be on any papers related to it at all, even if it was this one time? I am not a breeder, and if I were I would never be able to do this, even one time, no matter who's puppies they belonged to.. could you imagine your dogs that you love being there? I can't. So why would it be ok for these little babies? We see rescue groups ad's and breeders web sites, many of them will tell you do not buy your puppy from a pet shop, to go to a reputable breeder.. well, they are trying to educate the public..so how does it feel when you find a reputable breeder, and they are involved in pet shops..for them self or a friend..?? This is the point that is being made here. Not one person said she had terrible dogs, or anything negative about her dogs or breeding program at all. The problem is that someone well known for many years was involved with a pet shop , which is shocking to hear about someone you would not expect to hear it about. The last note. Just because some of you been on here for a long time, and maybe have 2000 plus posts doesn't really mean anything when it comes to right from wrong. It simply means you posted much more than the next person, so does this make you more knowledgeable or have more common sense than some one who has less than 50 posts? I don't see where numbers give you have the upper hand and credibility. Are you saying by your number of posts make you always right or being true. Are you also saying when you first joined, everything that you wrote was unacceptable, not true or you didn't know what you were talking about ? You don't deserve any more credibility because you sit on here constantly writing away for years..and that does not make you any better because of it. It's a forum for pete's sake... ps..It seems some are obsessed with Karen. If you so desperately need more and more proof, just pick the phone up and research it your self , this is so old already. There is nothing to be taking any one to court for, any one can have access to a public record of any kind.. she simply stated this woman has shipped to pet shops... this is not a court case .

11-29-2008, 08:36 PM	#106
CGP Yorkie Yakker Join Date: May 2006 Location: TEXAS Posts: 38	ree well said!!! This is the only thread I have every really posted on and I did it ONLY because I also was seeing how Karen was being treated....over the years I have held myself from being any part of any posting, BUT this was where I drew the line...There was no sense in the names she was being called.

11-29-2008, 08:37 PM	#107
ree Yorkie Yakker Join Date: May 2008 Location: massapequa ny Posts: 56	QUOTE=CGP;2353855]And when I send dogs to handlers, owned by me or not, my name is on the paper work, not the breeders/owners name. Its the person sending the dog that is on the paperwork. Not always....why did GB take them to the vet?.....why did she send them in her name? ...... sending to a handler and sending to a pet store is 2 different things... I have taken a freinds dog to the vet...and everything was in my friends name..not mine....I have shipped for a friend and the shipping paper work was in my friends name not mine........so if not her dogs then WHY her name?[/QUOTE] Absolutely! I agree 100%

11-29-2008, 09:31 PM	#109
yorkiesonboard YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: along the coast Posts: 9	Yorkieist.. You seem to be so so defensive of this situation don't you. Hmm makes me wonder? For one thing everything everyone is saying about her shipping for a friend, thats a crock, she sold out to a petstore, sterstores support puppymills, people who sell to petstores, whther they are show people or not in my opinion are pure SCUM, they are no better than the horrible puppymills themselves. I guess with a person like you, you would defend a person who got behind the wheel of a car after having 2 drinks and killed someone, and the driver would say I only had 2 drinks, I drove only because my friend wanted me too because they had 3 drinks, I guess you would consider that a mistake too, because they were only helping their "friend" because their friend had 1 more drink than he? Why are you in such defense? I have read and read through so many posts here, you all show people putting down so many other yorkie breeders because they dont show, well I believe that at least those that breed and are not into the showing and dont put themseleves up on the high and mighty throne are so much better than alot of the so called prefessional show breeders. What do you all clal them, oh yeah BYB, I am bet these so called BYB take much better care and put their puppies first and foremost before the almighty dollar!

11-30-2008, 06:57 AM	#117
phfgkl BANNED! Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: South Carolina Posts: 2,376	There are going to be some people that don't want to believe the truth. I used to live in Oklahoma, and it's one of the biggest states for puppy mills. I believe all of this, and I have heard of this Glenda Beavers before. I think the op provided the proof that everyone needs, and I find it funny that GB didn't come back on to say anything else...she's been caught and she knows it..

11-30-2008, 07:21 AM	#120
ree Yorkie Yakker Join Date: May 2008 Location: massapequa ny Posts: 56	[I]"this is so old already"[/I]Agreed. You two should have stopped posting after Glenda gave an explanation. If you really read the posts, it wasn't bashing, it was bring out facts and common sense. It was about being involved with pet shops. This is the point and it is not right. period. I can't stress that enough. Just because Glenda said..are you kidding? Of course Glenda said! If you want to know my feelings on all of you who is keeping this going about more proof.. what I honestly feel is you are more worried about your self, more so than Glenda. It appears that a lot of you have her dogs, are out in the show ring and breed them. Now that this is out there, you probably feel this will effect you also. I understand. I am sorry this happened to you after you put your trust and spent a lot of money on your own programs. It's not our fault though. Instead of keeping this going about proof, and how unfair this is to Glenda, I think what you need to do is really get the truth from her if you can. Do your own research and find your own proof as it seems this is effecting a lot more people than Glenda alone. I really think you are mad at the wrong people