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07-09-2008, 05:24 AM | #1 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Oklahoma City
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| Bad Breeder - Stroud, OK - Leslee Mitchell (lesleeslittleluvables.com) I have this posted under a different thread and it has been recommended that I post this as my own thread for everyone to see. I have joined this forum recently because I have purchased a Yorkie for our family that is wonderful. However, we also purchased one from a different breeder for Grandma as a Mother's Day present. We purchased this puppy from Leslee Mitchell in Stroud, OK. Before purchasing the puppy we discussed many things with Leslee. She informed us the parents are AKC registered but that she does not register the litter AKC to prevent breeders from buying the puppies, she would like to see them go to good families. We also insisted on seeing the parents before we buy the puppy. She was very hesitant but finally said if we must see them we need to drive out to Stroud. So, we drove to Stroud and thought everything looked good but she had the mom, dad, and puppies bathed and kept in a play fence on the driveway away from the house. We were told the puppies were home-raised and that the mom and dad do live with her, we also got a health guarantee from her in an email message but nothing else was ever signed or stated before purchasing puppy. (We found the ad in the Daily Oklahoman) Within the 24 hrs. of bringing the puppy home we brought her to the vet to be checked out and were notified that she had Coccidia parasites and Patellar Luxation (Genetic knee disorder). I called Leslee Mitchell immediately to notify her that we were not wanting to purchase a puppy with parasites or a Genetic Knee disorder and we would like a refund. Leslee was very crude, unprofessional, and irrational. She immediately told us we could bring the puppy back but we would definitely not get a refund and that she did not have the puppy checked by a vet herself. Her "policy", that was never stated before or signed on, was that she replaces does not refund. I then told her we did not want a replacement puppy (littermate) that would more than likely be infested with Coccidia as well and that after doing some research I found several articles stating that any puppy, littermate, or parents that are diagnosed with Patellar Luxation should not be breed. Yet, she feels it is a better deal to replace the puppy whenever the dogs should have another litter. I refused to make Grandma wait on another puppy or give this one back in hopes she may or may not replace me with a puppy who will probably have the same conditions. I am doing everything in my power to spread the word about this breeder to prevent this from happening to other families. Also, she has a website called http://lesleeslittleluvables.com/...I found this website after all this happened and found out she also breeds Boston Terriers and Chihuahua's. - which she advertises on NextDayPets.com. All the Chihuahua's and Boston Terriers are AKC registered, vet checked, and with a health guarantee (including the littermates of the Yorkie I bought). I had asked her why the Yorkie I bought is any different than all the other puppies she had vet checked and AKC registered. My feeling, she knew the puppy's condition and sold it to us like that anyway without informing us anything. She never did reply to that question. I also cannot believe we never got any indication that she has a "puppy ranch" on that property. So please, DO NOT BUY FROM LESLEE MITCHELL" Thank you! Sincerely, atchdca Thank you all for your support and sympathy! Unfotunately, it continues....Leslee Mitchell had me served with papers this morning. The cost of the puppy was $800, we paid her $600 in cash and $200 in a personal check. After dealing with Leslee the day we found out the puppy was unhealthy I cancelled the personal check for $200.00 since she would not give us a refund. So, she is now suing us for that $200 check we did a stop payment on and additional costs to pay for her other dogs to be checked out by a veterinarian. Then, she wants expenses paid for some expert witness to show up at court. I have no idea why should would want an expert witness and what it would be for? So far, I contacted every website I know of that she advertises all her puppies on, the local newspaper that we saw the ad in, and sent a breeder complaint packet full of all my correspondance with her as well as the vet report to all of the following: Attorney General of Oklahoma, Puppy Mills, The Humane Society of the United States, Department of Agriculture – Oklahoma, and the Better Business Bureau of Oklahoma. I just sent this in the mail on Monday, so hopefully something will come out of this. Anyway, it is all in the hands of our attorney now and all we can do is wait. Wish us luck! Thanks again, atchdca Yes, she even gave me a couple references before I purchased the puppy and they never did respond to my emails. I did send these references information on how this situation is being handled, in case they are real references and in hopes they do not refer this breeder again. I was somewhat disappointed when Nextdaypets.com who has all her listings posted informed me that they will not do anything because I did not purchase the puppy from their website ad. Lycos, on the other hand has been amazing. I reported each listing as fraud and they are in the process of removing her listings as soon as possible and gave me the following helpful hint: Dear Elizabeth Atchley, Thanks for contacting the Lycos Classifieds' customer support desk at Oodle. We are very sorry to hear that you had a bad experience. I read about those diseases and I became very angry. I have already taken steps to remove the listing from our search results page as soon as possible. These kinds of crimes are considered to be federal and since you have lost money, we recommend that you report the lost to the Internet Crime Complaint Center: Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3) | Home So, I filed a complaint and I am still anxiously waiting to hear a response on the packets I mailed out Thursday, July 3rd from the Attorney General of Oklahoma, Puppy Mills, The Humane Society of the United States, Department of Agriculture – Oklahoma, and the Better Business Bureau of Oklahoma. I also filed a complaint on ripoffreport.com and sent an email to Amanda Taylor with News 9. Hopefully, all this will come through and give us a helping hand! |
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07-09-2008, 11:14 AM | #2 |
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| Bless your heart! |
07-09-2008, 11:30 AM | #3 |
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| Hate to hear of all this bad news happened to you. I wish everyone knew to check out the breeders before buying and get some information. Its so hard to buy a dog with problems. What about turning her in for dog abuse since she is breeding dogs with gentic problems and has to be aware of this issue. I hope it works out for you and you get your grandma a good puppy to replace this one. Too bad you didn't get to cancel all this breeders money. But when hesitation on seeing the parents that should have been a red flag.
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07-09-2008, 12:02 PM | #4 |
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| Oh how I feel for you. Sadly there are too many breeders out there not doing any kind of genetic testing...just breeding away making money out of these poor animals. As long as you have the letter from your vet stating the puppy had problems you shouldn't have any problems at all. I can't blame you for not wanting a replacement since it'd be from the same place! It seems these back yard breeders think hiring a lawyer means they'll scare you enough to back down. I was threatened when I posted a bad review of a breeder. I got a letter in the mail stating I was to stop saying bad things about this breeder or else. I called the lawyer and told them that what she did to me was horrible and shame on her! I would not retract my statements. Stick to your guns, it's harder to fight for what is right but if you save just one other person out there it'll be worth it(and you'll actually sleep better at night).
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07-09-2008, 12:29 PM | #5 |
I Love My Babies Donating Member | Wow. A horror story that came true. I am so sorry this happened to you and your grandma. That poor little baby puppy. I feel sorry for it too. Good luck to you and I hope things work out for you.
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07-09-2008, 01:36 PM | #6 |
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| You go girl!.....You do what ever you can to stop this sort of thing.....To many people get angry but they don't follow through and put in the work to try and stop this sort of breeder from breeding......I hope you win this suit and get some sort of resolution......I tried the link and it does not work..... I'm so sorry the experience you had with this breeder has turned in to a nightmare for you....I hope your pup gets well and remains in good health .......It's so sad for the pups and for the buyer that these types of breeders can get away with this sort of thing for so long......Good luck!
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07-09-2008, 11:59 PM | #7 |
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| How horrible. I am so happy that you are going all the way with this. Its people lie this that don't deserve to own animals. You will be in our prayers, I will pray everything. works it for the better on your end.
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07-14-2008, 05:59 PM | #8 |
Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Massachusetts
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| Bad Breeders I feel so sorry for you. I am going through the same thing with the Puppy I bought from Breeder from OK. Her Website is Ultimate Puppies. Her Husband has just stopped threatening me because I told Him I was going to contact the Police. I have Complaint's with all agencies pertaining to bad Business. Please cotact me if you need to talk. Maxi85 |
07-14-2008, 07:32 PM | #9 |
Donating YT 2000 Club Member | Contact the attorney general in her state for fraud. |
07-15-2008, 03:33 AM | #10 |
No Longer a Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: berea, ky
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| What you need to do now is counter her suit with your own. First you need to get all medical bills, medical records, including the vets thoughts on the puppy. Bad thing is the judges frown on stop payments when it comes to checks ( i have taken a few law classes and this has come up), depending on the state laws, you might have to give the puppy back and she giveyou your money back. Also isn't there a lemon law in your state when it comes to puppies? OK I hate to say this has been in the news a few times for puppy mills and if I can find that site about Auctions on dogs I will post it here to see if her name is on it. Heck this board is good they might have already posted it. Bad thing for me is KY will not crack down on it, so we really have no idea what is what around here. I'm so sorry you have to deal with this. |
07-31-2008, 08:43 PM | #11 |
YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: wentworth,mo
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| The comments on this posting are nauseating! I bought the sister to this Yukon OK woman's puppy and it has been the best experience in the world. I have owned 6 Yorkies in my life and this is by far the best quality puppy I have ever had. I can tell you who needs to be sued! It is this lady posting pitifully incorrect information. She is slandering a very reputable breeder. I researched Leslee Mitchell for over a month before buying my new little girl. Not one bad review with the Better Business Bureau, not one complaint with her OK Attorney General, not one complaint from the website she uses.....not one in 7 years of breeding. I could not find one thing to show me that I should be hesitant to buy my new little girl. I spent 2 hours at Leslee's home with the puppy and the dam/sire. I was thrilled with what I saw and the next morning, my vet was just as happy with my selection. He said it was a wonderful puppy and didn't find one thing to critique about her! Maybe you people here on this site should realize that not only are there bad breeders out there but there are bad buyers and this lady just happens to be one of them! |
08-01-2008, 02:11 AM | #12 |
No Longer a Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: berea, ky
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| Weclome to YT I'm sure you will find that YT is a okay bunch of people. Thanks for sharing your experience with us, as I'm sure you are probably not the only one who had a good experience with the breeder. As we all know there are two sides to a story and then there is the truth. We would love to see pictures of your beautiful baby. |
08-01-2008, 05:10 AM | #13 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Oklahoma City
Posts: 15
| Definition of Slander The Definition of Slander is : SLANDER - A false defamation (expressed in spoken words, signs, or gestures) which injures the character or reputation of the person defamed; distinguished from libel. What I state is purely fact and in no way false! I bought a puppy from Leslee after driving out to Stroud and meeting the Sire and Dam as well, the names were Missy and Humper. My whole family sat in front of Leslee Mitchell's home visiting for a long time with the puppy we bought and the puppy you say is the littermate - who was Maisy at the time. We insisted on seeing the puppies living environment and we were told that Leslee just moved to Stroud from Weleetka and there were boxes everywhere in her house but she did say these were her home-raised pets and they were very well socialized in their family activities. When I brought the puppy to the vet the very next day I was told she had the Coccidia parasites and Patella Luxation, I notified Leslee before I even left the veterinarian office and she outright refused to take the puppy back for a refund. Yes, she offered the littermate in exchange but we did not decide on taking her because we did not think she was as cute and was bigger than the one we bought. We also made the decision we did not want to do further business with Leslee because she informed us the puppy was not vet checked, we were suprised learning that information because when I had asked if she was very healthy with her bite, back, and legs as well as being up to date on shots she said yes. The only reason your puppy came to you vet checked was because she had to take it to get treated for the Coccidia and see if she had the genetic knee disorder as well. I have attached the vet report for everyones review just to be sure there is no slander. Also, while you were visiting Leslee out in Stroud did you happen to get a tour of her kennel where she raises toy poodles, rat terriers, chihuahua's, and Border Collie's as well as the multiple dams of Yorkie's? I would not be surprised if you did not, because those are the real living conditions of where our puppies came from, not from the comfort of her home. I would have to admit Leslee was real good at portraying the perfect breeder image while we were at her home in Stroud, we absolutely got no indication of all these other dogs. Then again, who knows how far they are from the house since she has twenty acres to hide them on. Were you also aware that she is operating without a kennel license in the city limits of Stroud? Now, who is conducting Slander? I am only stating facts, what facts do you have about me when knowing nothing about me or this situation? Also, I am pasting a copy of an email Leslee sent to me in reply to our email showing we are doing homework on the diagnosis and were not happy, we just wanted a refund so we could find a healthy puppy. Just to let everyone know how professional Leslee is from what she states in her email, we are renting because my husband and I are in the process of building a home since we just moved to OKC ourselves. Just as a reminder - we were never told any policy prior to purchasing Daisy, we were told their would be a 1 year genetic health guarantee and that was it - which the Patella is genentic. Here is her "professional" email: From: "Steve and Leslee" <springhill@itlnet.net> Add to Address Book Add Mobile Alert Subject: Re: Coccidia Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:41:06 -0600 I am glad that you have done your homework!!!!! As I have stated before I give a one year genetic health gurantee. Liver, heart, kidneys and lungs, life threating. As I stated before I will be happy to replace your puppy. I will need you to mail me a copy of the vets report so I can have my vet look it over about the knees. I have been breeding for 7 years and I know all about what a good breeder is and I did not tell you must take within 48 or 72 hours your puppy to the vet for any kind of guarantee to be valid. If a puppy is going to have a genetic issue it will show up before the year!!! Alot of breeders MAKE you do that within their time frame, which alot of new owners do not, so they are not entilted to a refund. As I told you before I would be happy to replace with a different puppy when one becomes available or you can have Maisy. Yes the knees is genetic, but without an X-ray and of course having a second a opinion it what is needed. It does not mean that Maisy would have. And yes if it is confirmed that the puppy does have that then, you will need to find out if it is coming from moms line or dad's. But for 7 years I have not had a problem with the knees. You are not going to FORCE me to do anything. You really do not know as much as you think! Yes I send a nice care package with the puppies that I ship, I do not give them locally. I don't think that your grandmother is wanting to breed is she? I don't what you to have a puppy with a knee problem, and would not expect you to keep one with one, however your arguing, and trying to say that maybe I spent what you had paid me, highly insulted me, I am not the one that is renting am I???????? NO I have 3 houses asnd 200 acres! Glad we got that straight! IF would like to fax the documents to me let me know so that I can turn on my fax machine. Maybe you should have asked me alot more questions before you purchased Daisy. I will be happy to take Daisy back for you, but I will not refund any money. I will take Maisy to my vet and have her knees checked with health cert, should you decide to take her. Don't bother asking again for a refund, I will not change my mind, and I do have a whole book full of references to use if needed Thank You, Leslee |
08-02-2008, 08:46 AM | #14 |
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| Sorry, I am with you because I have 0 respect for back yard breeders. They are only for money in business, most of them low class uneducated narrow-minded people with no moral. I would use different words, but admin will ban me then Here a few tips that you should prepare if you go to court. Make sure you have a good description what back yard breeder or puppy mill is. OK is one of the state of puppy mill belt. You will find a lot info re this subject online. Just give them facts. Some of them .... - she breeds many breeds. sign of PM - she doesn't show parents. RED flag and typical for puppy miller - she doesn't test her dogs before breeding. Take some papers to prove that LP IS genetical problem. Good luck.... |
11-06-2009, 01:32 PM | #15 |
YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: oklahoma city
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| Agree - Bad Breeder - Stroud, OK - Leslee Mitchell (wellspringmanor@windstream.net) Wow, I am so glad someone posted this on Leslee Mitchell with Wellspring Manor Puppy MILL. I recently contacted her; interested in a puppy. Upon heading (driving around 50 miles) to Stroud OK, called to her on the phone; She ask if we were going to purchase the puppy. I stated that we wanted to look at the puppies and would purchase one if it was what I was looking for (Clean, healthy, small ect.) She then (sounding very unprofessional) informed me that she didn't want to wast her time with people who were not buying a puppy. I am so glad so little of my time was wasted. Michael1 |
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