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Old 07-23-2007, 06:15 AM   #1
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Hello all, I've just recently found YT and it couldn't be at a better time! I have 1 female (Lanie) 5lbs, 4oz who will be 3 in Sept and my husband and I have decided to finally breed her for the first time. She started her cycle last Sat (7/14) and we tried to bring the stud who is about 4.5lbs around her yesterday evening. She really didn't want anything to do with him and my mother-in-law who breeds poodles suggested that either my husband or I "slightly hold" Lanie down for the first time. Is this a good suggestion? Is that what ppl normally have to do for the female's first time??? I'm all so new at this and I'm afraid of her getting hurt...Any suggestions?

Also, is this the right time during her cycle for me to try and breed her?? How much longer will I have? I could tell last night that she was still bleeding, and I've been told that I would need to make sure that they hooked up at least 3 times but no more then 4 since she is so small and it's her first time.

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Hello all, I've just recently found YT and it couldn't be at a better time! I have 1 female (Lanie) 5lbs, 4oz who will be 3 in Sept and my husband and I have decided to finally breed her for the first time. She started her cycle last Sat (7/14) and we tried to bring the stud who is about 4.5lbs around her yesterday evening. She really didn't want anything to do with him and my mother-in-law who breeds poodles suggested that either my husband or I "slightly hold" Lanie down for the first time. Is this a good suggestion? Is that what ppl normally have to do for the female's first time??? I'm all so new at this and I'm afraid of her getting hurt...Any suggestions?

Also, is this the right time during her cycle for me to try and breed her?? How much longer will I have? I could tell last night that she was still bleeding, and I've been told that I would need to make sure that they hooked up at least 3 times but no more then 4 since she is so small and it's her first time.

Thanks for the help!
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Season time for a yorkie is as follows (this is an average).

1. 1 Week coming in - Swelling.
2. 2nd Week - Showing Color (blood)
3. 3rd week - Coming out and breeding time (usually best breeding time beginning on the 10th day from the onset of showing color. Breeding once every other day; 2 or 3 times.

Yes, both male and female should be held during the mating process. A first time female can hurt a male, especially during the tie and ruin his studding career. A first time male usually has to be taught on how to stud.

Breeding Toy breeds requires a little more assisstance and care than larger breeds.

A bit off the subject. Waiting to breed a female for the 1st time until she is 3 years of age can put your female's life in danger.

I'm assuming that you've done all the required preliminary tests on these 2 dogs and they both are an excellent representation of the standard, with great pedigrees.
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Season time for a yorkie is as follows (this is an average).

1. 1 Week coming in - Swelling.
2. 2nd Week - Showing Color (blood)
3. 3rd week - Coming out and breeding time (usually best breeding time beginning on the 10th day from the onset of showing color. Breeding once every other day; 2 or 3 times.

Yes, both male and female should be held during the mating process. A first time female can hurt a male, especially during the tie and ruin his studding career. A first time male usually has to be taught on how to stud.

Breeding Toy breeds requires a little more assisstance and care than larger breeds.

A bit off the subject. Waiting to breed a female for the 1st time until she is 3 years of age can put your female's life in danger.

I'm assuming that you've done all the required preliminary tests on these 2 dogs and they both are an excellent representation of the standard, with great pedigrees.
Thanks for the reply...
Yikes, I thought that waiting would be more beneficial. I'm always hearing horror stories of people attempting to breed to early with disastrous results, which is why I opted to wait... She's at her 9th or 10th day today since her bleeding had begun, so she should be ready.
Both dogs are registered through AKC and have been checked by their vets and are both very healthy.
Thanks again!
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Thanks for the reply...
Yikes, I thought that waiting would be more beneficial. I'm always hearing horror stories of people attempting to breed to early with disastrous results, which is why I opted to wait... She's at her 9th or 10th day today since her bleeding had begun, so she should be ready.
Both dogs are registered through AKC and have been checked by their vets and are both very healthy.
Thanks again!

What do you mean vet checked? Have they both had smears done for any bacteria or STDs. Have you had their hearing tested, their eyes tested for Progressive Retinal Atrophy. Have their hips and knees been x-rayed. Full blood panel work and Bile Acid tests.

Rule of thumb for breeding a female - not prior to 18 months of age or 2nd cycle. But, waiting to the age of 3 can be detrimental to the female.

10th day is usually an average of when a female is ready. Being a first time and a virgin. She may be mean and attempt to snap and not be receptive. If he's a first timer.....he needs to be shown how. Very critical time for first timers.
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The last time I took Lanie to her vet, I let him know that I was interested in breeding her the next time she went into heat, he did several different test including blood sampling and x-rays, and said that she was in a healthy state and as I had extensively searched through several breeders before purchasing her, I'm positive that there is nothing hereditary that I need to be concerned with. My vet was actually the one that gave my information to the stud's owner, after she also inquired about breeding and had all necessary test ran. He didn't seem concerned with her age, which is why your comment suprised me.
When the stud came over yesterday evening she did snap at him whenever he tried to get to close, but I figured that was to be expected since it was both of their first times.
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Good Luck !! Breeding is a serious undertaking and just keep reading and asking questions. You sound like you have done a lot of homework, but you will continue to learn throughout the whole ordeal..believe me. If I can help in anyway, you caan PM me. I am an "expert", but sometimes talking to someone that has gone through it a few times can calm you. Keep us posted on how it is going!
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Courtney, what Mardelin has told you is correct. Vets are very helpful in health matters, but there are so many variables in different breeds, and all the books in the library can tell you only so much. Experience with breeding these little guys is imperative, having a mentor is invaluable. Mardelin is an experienced exhibitor, breeder, whose's mentor is one of the countries top Yorkie breeder and has been over 40 years. You can take their knowledge to the bank! You really need to check with your vet to see exactly what tests he/she did run. Has your female and the male been evaluated by either a long time show breeder/ handler or judge to assure they are breeding quality. I'm sorry, but I just get the feeling you have not really done all the research you should before deciding to do this. I'm not trying to be mean, I just want you to be informed. Please check some of the posts on here related to breeding, loss of puppies, and the loss of the mother, then see if the risk is really worth it. There are already too many poor little pet quality puppies flooding the market and know that if you do things the right way, there really is no money to be made. The consequences are just not worth it.
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[QUOTE=Mardelin;1253663] A bit off the subject. Waiting to breed a female for the 1st time until she is 3 years of age can put your female's life in danger.


Im just now reading this and I didnt know this could be dangerous at age 3. I know it could be a little harder on them being their first time. can you explain this a little more please.
I love learning every thing I can, and Id like to know more about this, Thank you.
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I have to make a comment....Breeding a bitch before 3 is recommended but however, it really depends on what breeder/mentor you speak with. My mentors have also been in the breed for a very long time but not as long as some of course but nonetheless long enough and my bitch just had a very healthy litter of two girls and mom and babes are doing just great and she's 4 and this is her first breeding. My bitch championed just before 2 years of age and I ended up specialing her that same year and she did quite well I must say LOL for my first special. She turned 3 in 2006 and with 2 failed breedings which by the way my bitch is very high strung and I knew when the first breeding failed it was due to her traveling and being out of her own environment so we tried again and when that failed I knew I had to breed her in her own environment of course she had 2 beautiful baby girls and when the breeding occurred she turned 4. You have to know and have researched your lines. Cammie is out of This Time and Myboy kennels. Mom is doing great! She delivered the first one naturally but the second one was delivered by c-section due to the length of time between the 2. So depends on the bitch you are breeding in my opinion
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I have to make a comment....Breeding a bitch before 3 is recommended but however, it really depends on what breeder/mentor you speak with. My mentors have also been in the breed for a very long time but not as long as some of course but nonetheless long enough and my bitch just had a very healthy litter of two girls and mom and babes are doing just great and she's 4 and this is her first breeding. My bitch championed just before 2 years of age and I ended up specialing her that same year and she did quite well I must say LOL for my first special. She turned 3 in 2006 and with 2 failed breedings which by the way my bitch is very high strung and I knew when the first breeding failed it was due to her traveling and being out of her own environment so we tried again and when that failed I knew I had to breed her in her own environment of course she had 2 beautiful baby girls and when the breeding occurred she turned 4. You have to know and have researched your lines. Cammie is out of This Time and Myboy kennels. Mom is doing great! She delivered the first one naturally but the second one was delivered by c-section due to the length of time between the 2. So depends on the bitch you are breeding in my opinion
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To add one more thing....breeding at any age can be dangerous if you haven't researched and done all testing but even with that breeding can always be dangerous no matter the age

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You mentioned neither has been bred..this is extra hard. Your MIL breeds poodles and should be the best help to you..I found it no different helping poodle or Maltese breeders get the job done...
The owner of the stud is the one who should be breeding your bitch for you..that is what you pay for, correct?...look for a proven stud if you are serious about having a litter. Best wishes
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Thank you all so much for your suggestions, there's really a lot that my husband and I will be discussing tonight, and we've already asked my MIL to keep Lanie during the last weeks of her confinement, and I've been on the phone with her off and on all day asking even more questions about different issues that have been brought up during this post. Unfortunately she lives out of town and can't be here to help with the breeding... If it doesn't go well tonight I'm just probably going to give up on breeding Lanie and have her fixed. Now I'm worried about her age and other repercussions.... I'll keep everyone informed...
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I can not encourage anyone to breed their pet.....it must be a well thought out decision. When all goes well, and you have a healthy litter of Yorkie munchkins running around, it is heaven to me...but when things go wrong, c-sections, dead or fading pups, mom ends up with an infection, eclampsia or worse, she loses her life..then it is the worst heart ache you can experience...did knowing this stop me from breeding for 35 yrs..no, but I sure have cried buckets of tears and thought my heart would break in half..fortunately, most of the time all goes fairly well from not the slightest worry to a few little ones I can take care of or the vet...perhaps the reason Las Vegas holds no interest for me is because I have gambled with Yorkies for so long..best wishes
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