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Old 05-23-2007, 04:23 AM   #16
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I never posted how small the puppy was, I didn't say how much it weighs or say it was sick. She's healthy, she's just so tiny if you're expecting a 7 month old. She's not any different than all the yorkies I see in the for sale thread that are shipped. She's just much younger than I was expecting. She bounces around here and plays and is eating tons and doing fine. I'm not worried about her flying. As you can see in my previous post the vet said she is not fragile. She's been getting tons of love, great food, chew toys, I took her to the vet....what stress has she been under? I've been sleeping with her on the floor to make it easier on her through the night.

My Lola came to me at 11 weeks old and 1 1/2 pounds. Flying a healthy puppy does not put it at risk. Zoe(that is what we named this puppy) is just fine. I think your comments:
" I'm sorry. I'm sorry for you but more sorry for the puppy"
were heartless after you just read everything that's happened.
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Old 05-23-2007, 04:27 AM   #17
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I never posted how small the puppy was, I didn't say how much it weighs or say it was sick. She's healthy, she's just so tiny if you're expecting a 7 month old. She's not any different than all the yorkies I see in the for sale thread that are shipped. She's just much younger than I was expecting. She bounces around here and plays and is eating tons and doing fine. I'm not worried about her flying. As you can see in my previous post the vet said she is not fragile. She's been getting tons of love, great food, chew toys, I took her to the vet....what stress has she been under? I've been sleeping with her on the floor to make it easier on her through the night.

My Lola came to me at 11 weeks old and 1 1/2 pounds. Flying a healthy puppy does not put it at risk. Zoe(that is what we named this puppy) is just fine. I think your comments:
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were heartless after you just read everything that's happened.
you read my post wrong !! I AM sorry for you and the puppy both - when I said sorrier for her it was because she's flying again. I didn't say she was sick and you DID Say she was tiny - that's all I meant.

It was meant in a nice way .....I just know I'd be scared if in your shoes about putting her on a plane. I'm not heartless !
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You obviously wanted a tiny when you bought her. You have been here long enough to do your homework here at least. You say the dog is healthy and happy so why does she have to go back?
I agree with Villette, I am feeling sorry for the dog too, and that is ALOT of stress for a teeny baby.
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Old 05-23-2007, 04:42 AM   #19
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I wasn't going to say another word but since you called me heartless...It bothered me.

when you were looking for a puppy - you did a thread asking about this breeder asking for peoples opinions & I went and looked - Well - you never SAID you had already bought the puppy and if you had ...I never would have bothered looking & just said congratulations to you.

I'm really sorry you were misled but my first thoughts are always with the dogs. Flying is stressful. You have cabin pressure - the noise - & just the stress in general and YOU were the one who said how tiny she was - that's all I meant. I said I was sorry for you and meant that ....but I AM sorrier for these little dogs when things don't go right.

ps - YOU SAID SHE'S the size of a BIRD - that's where I got how tiny she is - please go see your first posts -

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Shippng a puppy once is more than enough. I feel so sorry for this pup
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awww Villette we all know your not heartless .

and I have to add ...so what if the puppies age isnt right, you wanted and paid for a tiny and got one...I'm not understanding why your sending her back......if she is healthy what difference does a few months make .....
but the breeder should not have lied about it either....
if it was me I would keep and love her to pieces .
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Be sure to feed her before flying, don't stuff her though. And nutrical is a good idea at the airport. Send a ziplock bag of food (with instructions, how much) with the kennel, they'll feed it to her if there is a big delay.
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I am so sorry that you are going through this! Getting a new puppy is suppose to be an exciting time, not one that makes you sad. I really hope that maybe this has been a honest mistake and that you get your refund without any problems.

As for the food on her flight back, I am surprised that she said not to feed her. I thought that the airlines required that they access to both food and water. I just had my puppy flown to us from California to Missouri 3 days ago and she had both in her kennel. If it were me, I would give her food for the flight.

Again, I am very sorry for you and your family!!

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Wow, just the homepage of that site raised red flags all over the place. I'm not surprised you've had issues.

A good illustration of why we constantly see warnings here on YT to RUN from any breeder using the "teacup" word. More often than not, it ends in some kind of heartache.

Best of luck to you and whatever you decide to do about the doggie.
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I think your comments:
" I'm sorry. I'm sorry for you but more sorry for the puppy"
were heartless after you just read everything that's happened.
Makemepretty,

My heart goes out to you, you're in a very emotional state - which is 100% understandable. Please know, Villette is truly one of the kindest, most thoughtful, sweetest and supportive members I've ever come across on this board. Please take a breath, re-read what she said and remember her good heart.

I read her comment as "I'm so sorry for you and what you've had to go through. I'm even more sorry for that puppy bc of what she's gone through and bc a puppy/animal is 1000% vulnerable (and can't "reason" her way through her experiences like us humans)".

Do what you feel is right, of course, but is there anyway you could maybe sell the pup locally to someone you could screen? Or, are you absolutely sure you couldn't keep her? Clearly, you are a victim here - but this pup has already been even more of a victim - and it seems so sad to put this pup on a flight and back in the hands of the breeder. I guess what I'm saying, and I mean this gently, is that maybe it'd be best if you took on the burden of finding a great home for this pup, that maybe you take responsibility for this baby and not put her through any more.

I do agree w/ some of what's been said - you probably did quite a bit of homework, as you stated above in your research, and you trusted your findings enough to go through w/ the transaction. So...

This is just my two cents, take it or leave it. If I was in your shoes, there probably would be a part of me that would NOT want this breeder to receive any money and I'd want to reverse the transaction. But, at the end of the day, what was BEST FOR THE PUPPY (this vulnerable, dependent little creature) would win out over my desire to nullify the transaction.

There is a lot of support here - you may even find someone on this board who might want the baby.

Best of luck and take care,
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Old 05-23-2007, 06:23 AM   #26
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It saddens me to say but I am sending her back. I just can't let this person get away with it. The papers have her listed as being 7 months old now, I'd say closer to 3 MAYBE. She is a puppy with puppy teeth, very short hair, tiny and not anywhere near to being partially grown.

I did not eat for 3 days, I cried all day every day. My mother even suggested having a doctor prescribe a valium because I was such a mess. The puppy came in at midnight at the airport and I knew immediately. I was expecting an almost grown tiny yorkie...not a baby. I paid $3,000 plus shipping.

I struggled with "How can I send back a baby?" I knew I had to, but my kids would be devastated. I was devastated. I can't even express the emotional roller coaster I've been on and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. My son, bless his heart, would get me cold washclothes to put on my eyes. He's 11.

On a positive note, she immediately said she'd take the puppy back and refund my money(still insisting the puppy was the correct age, that her dogs do not get any adult teeth till 9 mo. old, that this one didn't even get teeth till it was 9 weeks old). She goes back tomorrow and my money will be refunded(I disputed it through paypal and my charge card and have it in writing my money will be returned). It's soooo not about the money. I had no problem paying any amount for the perfect dog for me.

I did not make the decision to send the puppy back lightly. I contacted 3 vets-hers included. All came to the same conclusion that the puppy was no where near that age. I talked to two people who specialize in tinies. One in person who looked at the puppy and Natalie from Natalies Yorkies(she was wonderful). In total, I got the expertise from 6 different sources that would know better than me(even though I knew immediately, I didn't think myself incapable of being wrong).

I'm not worried about the puppy not finding a good home, she'll resell it and hopefully at it's correct age. We've been taking wonderful care of her and consider her our foster puppy. My kids are handling this beautifully because I showed them everything and they know you can't let bad people get away with bad things because then they'll do it to other people.

This was supposed to be a happy joyous event. I picked out the puppy as my 16th wedding anniversary present. My husband asked me what I wanted and I had been looking for so long it was easy.

She does have a 7 month old listed for sale on another site, this puppy looks NOTHING like it, this puppy looks NOTHING like the picture she sent me. I talked to her and e-mailed her for a month, I couldn't find anything negative about her online, she has references on her site, she has lots of verified transactions through paypal so I felt safe. I thought I did everything right in my selection. And maybe this is the first time she's ever tried this. I just don't know.

It hurts me to even look at puppies or all the new puppy stuff I bought. I'm a mess and I'm mad. My husband was away working in another state and he got sooo many phone calls from a hysterical wife. A 2 a.m. call from your wife crying over something that was supposed to keep her company and make her deliriously happy is not a good thing. I felt bad because I knew he needed his rest for work(he does very hard construction) but he's my best friend and I needed the comfort.

Keep your fingers crossed and say a few prayers that this puppy finds a good home and that the return/refund goes smoothly and we can heal. Taking her to the airport will be extremely hard but I must do it. Also, the lady said when sending her back to give her a mouthful of nutrical and not any food in her crate....don't you think I should give her some food? She will have water but I think she needs food too.

*also please do not contact this seller, I need to get the return done smoothly and not cause any trouble with her but I wanted to warn my friends here*

skoshi is almost 6 months and still has his puppy teeth.

please keep her dont let her go back to that hateful person
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i mean if shes eating well and she is okay then i think you should keep her, i dont see how you could send her back just on age i see if you wanted a younger puppy and you got an older one and she would never be the age you wanted. but it seems to me you got a younger one then eventually and trust me they grow fast she will be 7months.
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I really appreciate all your support. Thank you for helping me through this difficult time.

If you're expecting a 7 month old puppy and get a couple of month old puppy then wouldn't it appear to be tiny to you in comparison? I was in shock. I had never read anything negative about this breeder, in fact, one of her puppies grown up was shown on the Yorkie Fair "look who's coming" page. I have a tiny, I have experience with taking care of a tiny. I do not think it's ok for someone to lie to me, fake papers, cause me to have a nervous breakdown.

So, obviously to some of you I should just keep the puppy, let her get away with it and then when she does it to someone else, maybe even another member on here, say "oh, well...too bad for them, it's their fault for not knowing any better". Which I did consider. A puppy has to be healthy to even fly, so come on, do you think I'd ship a puppy that I didn't think could make it?! A puppy I've been sleeping on the floor with to make her nights easier??? She's not really the size of a bird, come on, it was a metaphor for how tiny I felt she was for what I was expecting. If anyone described their puppy as being tiny as a mouse I wouldn't really think it was the SIZE of a mouse.

When I posted I was hoping I was wrong and that someone had a positive experience with this breeder(she has nice references on her site and there are a lot of members here). I will only post this last message and then I'm removing my membership from this site, you guys have broken my heart and there wasn't that much left that wasn't already broken
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I really appreciate all your support. Thank you for helping me through this difficult time.

If you're expecting a 7 month old puppy and get a couple of month old puppy then wouldn't it appear to be tiny to you in comparison? I was in shock. I had never read anything negative about this breeder, in fact, one of her puppies grown up was shown on the Yorkie Fair "look who's coming" page. I have a tiny, I have experience with taking care of a tiny. I do not think it's ok for someone to lie to me, fake papers, cause me to have a nervous breakdown.

So, obviously to some of you I should just keep the puppy, let her get away with it and then when she does it to someone else, maybe even another member on here, say "oh, well...too bad for them, it's their fault for not knowing any better". Which I did consider. A puppy has to be healthy to even fly, so come on, do you think I'd ship a puppy that I didn't think could make it?! A puppy I've been sleeping on the floor with to make her nights easier??? She's not really the size of a bird, come on, it was a metaphor for how tiny I felt she was for what I was expecting. If anyone described their puppy as being tiny as a mouse I wouldn't really think it was the SIZE of a mouse.

When I posted I was hoping I was wrong and that someone had a positive experience with this breeder(she has nice references on her site and there are a lot of members here). I will only post this last message and then I'm removing my membership from this site, you guys have broken my heart and there wasn't that much left that wasn't already broken
Oh goodness...don't leave YorkieTalk! From what I have read from everyone that posted, there was no hurt intended. We truly care about your situation and feel badly.

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This is sad. You care for this puppy, (sleeping on the floor even!) that is obvious. No one was debating that, hon. I don't think anyone meant to hurt you - there is just a lot of concern for the pup - and we all gave opinions without having spent the $3000 - so granted, you'd have more on the table than others.

I was just wondering...do you think that breeder would give you a more "fair" price for what you received vs. what you were expecting? I wonder if, for example, she'd refund $2000 - you could keep the pup or sell to someone you trust. And, even if you kept the baby, you'd still have the other money to spend on a later pup. I mean, $1000 is still a lot for the breeder - and if it was her mistake then she should "right it" in such a way that it most benefits the pup AND you.

I do hope you stay, I really do.
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