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Mardelin · 04-06-2007, 11:12 AM

You are correct...

JESSY_RN2B · 04-06-2007, 11:25 AM

Personally, I don't find the advice on her given being mean, harsh or cruel. Imagine how many people read this and not post. Hopefully all the wonderful advice and information (harsh or not) provided will hit home to some folks.

I don't believe in sugar-coating the truth either. I guess I am just too opiniated or blunt. Possibly even to outspoken at times but I consider it better than hypocritical or trying to be a people pleaser. I have the feeling I am not the only one though and kuddos to those who dare say it how it is

BamaFan121s · 04-06-2007, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by JESSY_RN2B

Personally, I don't find the advice on her given being mean, harsh or cruel. Imagine how many people read this and not post. Hopefully all the wonderful advice and information (harsh or not) provided will hit home to some folks.

I don't believe in sugar-coating the truth either. I guess I am just too opiniated or blunt. Possibly even to outspoken at times but I consider it better than hypocritical or trying to be a people pleaser. I have the feeling I am not the only one though and kuddos to those who dare say it how it is

THANK YOU!

And JeanieK--no, they couldn't be registered as the female is ACA and the male is AKC.

HighlandYorkies · 04-06-2007, 12:03 PM

2cute4me

The information you asked for in the first place, was recommendations for reading up on breeding....
I have found the book : BOOK OF THE BITCH by J.M. EVANS & KAY WHITE
ISBN 1 86054 023 6 - a very good informational book !

My bitch is day 43 pregnant for the very first time by my male. I have three Yorkies, the other is a neutered female.
If you want to ask me anything, I will help you all I can, but there a lot of very experienced people on here, (much moreso than myself) and some of them will I'm sure be happy to help without comdemnation.
Everyone has to learn somewhere - and some forget that they were once inexperienced too. Not everyone has the fore-sight to know that reading up on things is a wiser thing to do, but one thing is for sure, we are all human, and humans make mistakes and shouldn't be condemned for it, but helped to know better next time.

All that should matter is the welfare of the dam and sire and the puppies.

You have done the right thing asking here for the information you are going to need - good for you.....
Now lets hope people innundate you with helpful info !
Good Luck if your bitch is pregnant......
Read up as much as you can, and I hope all goes well. It is good you have such a fantastic vet - though I would ask him if the x-rays were ok.

Rest assured we are not all ogres !!!

Anyone now wishing to have a go at me - PLEASE DO NOT BOTHER....thankyou

......pics of my three dogs !

BamaFan121s · 04-06-2007, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by HighlandYorkies

All that should matter is the welfare of the dam and sire and the puppies.

Agreed--I'm sure the majority would agree that the best thing for a 3 pound female is to be spayed to abort the pregnancy.

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It is good you have such a fantastic vet -

"Fantastic vets" do not encourage people to breed 3 pound Yorkies--particularly those that are ill prepared.

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Rest assured we are not all ogres !!!

Not all of us sugar coat everything either. Or breed tiny dogs, or dogs that we suspect were mill mamas either.

Some of us ogres actually care more about dogs and the Yorkie breed than if we step on a few toes.

Again...It absolutely BLOWS my mind that people would support something like this just to spite others that they think were out of line--and to offer up a "you'll know more next time" WHAT!?!? Next time!?! This female is barely 3 pounds for goodness sake! WHAT is the world coming to...don't answer that.

HighlandYorkies · 04-06-2007, 12:36 PM

121s...Oh....I might have known that you would have a go !

Where does she say her Yorkie is 3lbs ?
Not having a go....did I miss that one somewhere ?

I am not being nice for being nice, and yes, even if the bitch is 3lbs, which I didn't gather, sorry, then I'm sure as she has said she has a nice vet, that he will advise her on what to do for the best interests of the dog....even if that is spaying......
and sorry, I didn't know anything about this person being a puppy farmer - where does it say that, and how do you know ? Just wondering !

I have only answered her thread....where do you get off being so nasty on this forum ? Have your say by all means....you seem to know info I don't, (Do you live nextdoor or something ?)...but don't slag me for advising her as best I can with the knowledge I have - which by the way isn't much - I ain't big headed !

Debra

Mardelin · 04-06-2007, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by HighlandYorkies

121s...Oh....I might have known that you would have a go !

Where does she say her Yorkie is 3lbs ?
Not having a go....did I miss that one somewhere ?

I am not being nice for being nice, and yes, even if the bitch is 3lbs, which I didn't gather, sorry, then I'm sure as she has said she has a nice vet, that he will advise her on what to do for the best interests of the dog....even if that is spaying......
and sorry, I didn't know anything about this person being a puppy farmer - where does it say that, and how do you know ? Just wondering !

I have only answered her thread....where do you get off being so nasty on this forum ? Have your say by all means....you seem to know info I don't, (Do you live nextdoor or something ?)...but don't slag me for advising her as best I can with the knowledge I have - which by the way isn't much - I ain't big headed !

Debra

One of her 1st posts she stated she had a year old 3 lb female and a 6 month old mail.

As her vet being helpful....You know a vet with any knowledge of the breed or toy dogs, would not encourage breeding with dogs that young....I know my vet, though very familiar with my lines and health, always insists that I have my intended breeding dogs be vet checked prior to the breeding. Especially if it is a first time breeding. He would absolutely rip me apart if I brought a female in that was not of breeding quality, does not spare me any punches and that's why I respect him so...his first consideration is for the dog (I'm not saying her vet doesn't, but based on the information provided, I question his expertise in the breeding aspect of his vet care). Any knowledgable vet would not perform an x-ray on female until a week and not earlier, before the due date.

HighlandYorkies · 04-06-2007, 01:09 PM

Yes Mardelin....but a VET wouldn't say those things proffessionally surely ?
Not over here anyways !

Mardelin · 04-06-2007, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by HighlandYorkies

Yes Mardelin....but a VET wouldn't say those things proffessionally surely ?
Not over here anyways !

My vet would.....that's why I respect him.....His profession would force him to put the animal's welfare first. If I couldn't turn to my vet for professional advice, it would be time that I would be hunting for another vet.

HighlandYorkies · 04-06-2007, 01:31 PM

You got the wrong end of what I was saying....
I meant that our Vets would not advise anything untoward about an animal - or he would be charged with proffessional misconduct.
That's why I couldn't understand you all saying that she didn't have a good vet - as here, all vets are good and only have the best interests of animals welfare at ALL TIMES.....if that doesn't happen there - I am surprised they would be allowed to practice ???
They would be struck off here.
Maybe she "thought" her Vet was advising to breed these dogs, but it wasn't really what he was meaning - or is it that vets can be motivated by money in other places, I don't know ???

Mardelin · 04-06-2007, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by HighlandYorkies

You got the wrong end of what I was saying....
I meant that our Vets would not advise anything untoward about an animal - or he would be charged with proffessional misconduct.
That's why I couldn't understand you all saying that she didn't have a good vet - as here, all vets are good and only have the best interests of animals welfare at ALL TIMES.....if that doesn't happen there - I am surprised they would be allowed to practice ???
They would be struck off here.
Maybe she "thought" her Vet was advising to breed these dogs, but it wasn't really what he was meaning - or is it that vets can be motivated by money in other places, I don't know ???

It's sad to say that there are vet's here that are on the greedy side when it comes to money....and yes there are those that would advise on breeding an animal, but omitting all the preliminary work that has to be done.
Yes, it could be that she misinterpreted his meaning. What I am question is his knowledge on her initial visit, when checking the lil female's breasts, a knowledgable vet would very well know on initial examination the changes in a female's breasts are brought on either by her being in Season or with puppies....either way a vet would err on the side of caution and not perform an x-ray...

Rhapsody · 04-06-2007, 02:02 PM

Oh my goodness. I'm running into these threads everywhere, and there seems to be one or two people that immediately attack any newbie who asks a question.

Using "not sugar coating it"; "telling it how it is"; "or saying "I'm opininated" to be rude and attacking someone truly is lessening this site.

No offense, Bama, but I find your comments needlessly critical and absolutely hostile. And don't bother answering because I am now utilizing the ignore button on you.

Good luck, and I'm sorry you feel the only way to express yourself is in a negative fashion.

BamaFan121s · 04-06-2007, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhapsody

No offense, Bama, but I find your comments needlessly critical and absolutely hostile. And don't bother answering because I am now utilizing the ignore button on you.

Good luck, and I'm sorry you feel the only way to express yourself is in a negative fashion.

No offense taken.

We are all entiteld to our own opinion. Now that I have seen the error of my ways, I will try to focus my energy on trying to express myself in a more positive manner.

Susanbee51 · 04-06-2007, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by HighlandYorkies

2cute4me

The information you asked for in the first place, was recommendations for reading up on breeding....
I have found the book : BOOK OF THE BITCH by J.M. EVANS & KAY WHITE
ISBN 1 86054 023 6 - a very good informational book !

My bitch is day 43 pregnant for the very first time by my male. I have three Yorkies, the other is a neutered female.
If you want to ask me anything, I will help you all I can, but there a lot of very experienced people on here, (much moreso than myself) and some of them will I'm sure be happy to help without comdemnation.
Everyone has to learn somewhere - and some forget that they were once inexperienced too. Not everyone has the fore-sight to know that reading up on things is a wiser thing to do, but one thing is for sure, we are all human, and humans make mistakes and shouldn't be condemned for it, but helped to know better next time.

All that should matter is the welfare of the dam and sire and the puppies.

You have done the right thing asking here for the information you are going to need - good for you.....
Now lets hope people innundate you with helpful info !
Good Luck if your bitch is pregnant......
Read up as much as you can, and I hope all goes well. It is good you have such a fantastic vet - though I would ask him if the x-rays were ok.

Rest assured we are not all ogres !!!

Anyone now wishing to have a go at me - PLEASE DO NOT BOTHER....thankyou

......pics of my three dogs !

I agree with you that everyone has to learn, but why must it be at the risk of the dog. Why not learn all you can before you have an "ooops" (favorite saying here) and not put your little one at risk. Study up on just the all that can happen to her. If it were me, I would certainly find another vet that has adequate knowledge. Encouraging someone to breed their small, underage dog, IMO, does not sound like good Vet practice.

Bama.

tiggerr36792 · 04-06-2007, 04:43 PM

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I also agree...I feel that you can NEVER research enough.

Yes, I do have a strong opinion. I don't feel there is any select group with the reserved exclusive right to breed, but I DO feel like anyone who chooses to take it on should properly research all aspect of it first. IMO, there are FAR TOO MANY innstances that come of on this board alone of "I bred my dog, now what do I do?" and "I think I'm going to breed my 15 pound Yorkie because everyone thinks she'd have cute puppies" Maybe if someone had been upfront and honest with them to begin with, they would have second guessed their snap decision and researched further. As long as the replies are sugar coated and "Oh, learn from your mistake" "this could happen to anyone" I doubt anyone will be discouraged from follwoing in their footsteps.

And people wonder WHY they have dogs that don't resemble the breed they are being passed off as and why they have puppies with genetic based illnesses.

Im not disagreeing with you about concerns. I'm just saying I wouldn't want to get on your badside,lol.

04-06-2007, 11:12 AM	#16
Mardelin Mardelin Yorkshire Terriers Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: California Posts: 14,776	You are correct... __________________ Mardelin *Yorkshire* *Terriers*

04-06-2007, 11:25 AM	#17
JESSY_RN2B Owned by 3 furballs Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 6,581	Personally, I don't find the advice on her given being mean, harsh or cruel. Imagine how many people read this and not post. Hopefully all the wonderful advice and information (harsh or not) provided will hit home to some folks. I don't believe in sugar-coating the truth either. I guess I am just too opiniated or blunt. Possibly even to outspoken at times but I consider it better than hypocritical or trying to be a people pleaser. I have the feeling I am not the only one though and kuddos to those who dare say it how it is __________________ Bobbi Yorkietalk http://www.dogster.com/dogs/395435 And now........little Aja too! http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/23776545

04-06-2007, 02:02 PM	#27
Rhapsody And Tiger, too! Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Moore, Oklahoma Posts: 1,568	Oh my goodness. I'm running into these threads everywhere, and there seems to be one or two people that immediately attack any newbie who asks a question. Using "not sugar coating it"; "telling it how it is"; "or saying "I'm opininated" to be rude and attacking someone truly is lessening this site. No offense, Bama, but I find your comments needlessly critical and absolutely hostile. And don't bother answering because I am now utilizing the ignore button on you. Good luck, and I'm sorry you feel the only way to express yourself is in a negative fashion. __________________ Jess, Rhapsody,Tiger,& sweet Ocean Blu! Rhapsody's Dogster & Tiger's Dogster Huge Pee Pad Salewww.pee-pads.com/FreeShipping

04-06-2007, 12:36 PM	#21
HighlandYorkies DEBRA'S DORKY YORKIES4 Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Highland Scotland Posts: 712	121s...Oh....I might have known that you would have a go ! Where does she say her Yorkie is 3lbs ? Not having a go....did I miss that one somewhere ? I am not being nice for being nice, and yes, even if the bitch is 3lbs, which I didn't gather, sorry, then I'm sure as she has said she has a nice vet, that he will advise her on what to do for the best interests of the dog....even if that is spaying...... and sorry, I didn't know anything about this person being a puppy farmer - where does it say that, and how do you know ? Just wondering ! I have only answered her thread....where do you get off being so nasty on this forum ? Have your say by all means....you seem to know info I don't, (Do you live nextdoor or something ?)...but don't slag me for advising her as best I can with the knowledge I have - which by the way isn't much - I ain't big headed ! Debra

04-06-2007, 01:09 PM	#23
HighlandYorkies DEBRA'S DORKY YORKIES4 Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Highland Scotland Posts: 712	Yes Mardelin....but a VET wouldn't say those things proffessionally surely ? Not over here anyways !

04-06-2007, 01:31 PM	#25
HighlandYorkies DEBRA'S DORKY YORKIES4 Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Highland Scotland Posts: 712	You got the wrong end of what I was saying.... I meant that our Vets would not advise anything untoward about an animal - or he would be charged with proffessional misconduct. That's why I couldn't understand you all saying that she didn't have a good vet - as here, all vets are good and only have the best interests of animals welfare at ALL TIMES.....if that doesn't happen there - I am surprised they would be allowed to practice ??? They would be struck off here. Maybe she "thought" her Vet was advising to breed these dogs, but it wasn't really what he was meaning - or is it that vets can be motivated by money in other places, I don't know ???