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04-02-2007, 08:08 PM | #1 |
Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Indiana
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| difference between akc and ckc Hi again, Could anyone tell me the difference between akc and ckc registrations? I also checked out a site today called Ceritfied Pure Puppy Database registration....because i was checking into registering the whole litter my female had. I have looked into about everything there is to register, and honestly, i don't have a clue to which one to use, and why there is such a difference made? Does a dog have to be registered? I mean, does it make it any less of a dog if it's not? I am not a breeder by any means, and i would like to have some input on it because i want to know the differences and the main aspects of registration. My dogs aren't for show, they are family pets....so any advice on this matter would be appreciated so i can get a better understanding. Thanks so much yorkiemomma7 |
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04-02-2007, 08:10 PM | #2 |
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| Here is an article I have posted before on YT that explains a bit about the registries. The oldest and most recognized all-breed registries in North America are the CKC (Canadian Kennel Club) the AKC and the UKC (United Kennel Club) These registries exist to promote and advance the purebred dog. They approve breed standards, maintain birth records, promote responsible ownership, sponsor and sanction dog shows and performance events, maintain offical records of these events and award titles. Registration is not, however, PROOF OF QUALITY. The breed registries essentially the paperwork for the keeping records, though they do have regulations that must be followed they DO NOT police the breeders. In simple terms, a reg'd puppy means that he was born to reg'd parents. The responsible breeder's main goal in breeding is always to improve on their breed and in your search for a purebred dog, it is your responsibility to be selective and verify the breeder you choose. So how important is a reg'd dog? If your goal is to show, or breed then registration papers are very important. If your goal is simply to find a companion dog go to your local shelter, If however your looking for a specific breed, a purebred dog, registration papers are still important even if you have no intentions of showing or competing with your dog. Why? because you have the ability to see the chosen puppy's ancestry. It also provides a means for a responsible breeder to track pedigree of breeding stock and make an educated decision on breeding. In your research to finding a responsible and reputable breeder, the registry used by the breeder does play an important part. If the breed is a recognized CKC, AKC or UKC but the breeder is not registering his/her litters with the same registry be cautious and find out why! There are several reasons why a breeder would choose one of these but the vast majority of reason are not good for example being suspended from the AKC, CKC or the UKC or that the breeder refuses to abide by the code of ethics or one of many other reasons. Bottomline is a RED FLAG must be raised as to why the breeder is not using one of these registries. In addition, even if the dog is not a recognized CKC, AKC or UKC breed you need to find a breeder who is registering his dogs with the most reputable registry-single breed or all breed. A list of other all-breed registries are ACA, APR, APRI, ARU, CRCS, CKC (Continental Kennel Club), DRA, FIC, IPDBA, NKC, NAPDR, UABR, UKCI, WKC , WWKC. Caution should be exercised when dealing with a breeder who registers with any of these registries, many breeders use the registries because they are unable to meet the more demanding requirements of the CKC (Canadian Kennel Club), AKC or UKC. APR - starts a pedigree file with the infomation sent by the owner of the unpapered dog so he may become papered. They take the owners word for it no proof is required that it is a purebred. APRI promotes the sale of a dog through distributors and retailers (puppy mills). They offer FREE dual registration on dogs from other reg' services to profession breeders. A "professional breeder" is one who has three or more breeding females and who regularly sells puppies in the pet market. CKC (Continental Kennel Club) does not require a past pedigree to register a dog. They will register the offspring of any purebred dog not as purebreds but as the offspring of the purebreds under their miscellaneous section. Tehy also provide special rates to the kennels that register 10 or more breeding stock dogs (puppymills) CRCS recognizes and tracks and papers dogs whose lineage DO NOT follow the standards of a breed, also considered an "all canine" registry. They register cross breeds or out of standard dogs. DRA registers cross breeds such as cocker-poos and peke-a-poos IPDBA may accept any new breed regardless of ancestry for reg purposes provided it meets the criteria of being phenotypically different from an existing recognized breed. NAPDR A purebred dog that does not have registration papers may be registered by sending pictures. Also NAPDR has commercial rates for breeders that have 5 or more breeding dogs (puppy mills) UABR promotes the sale of dogs through retailers and promotes retailers as a reliable source of healthy pets. Stating on their website as factual documentation that the health of puppies purchased from retailers (puppy mills) are equal and in many ways superior to those attained from other sources (the breeder). UKCI will reg cross breeds under special registration programs as well will register a dog for whatever reason it is not registered in the litter or either the sire/dame is not registered or perhaps registry was denied from other registries. Also extends bulk discounts to breeders. WKC reg's dog with no past history. WWKC will register new breed (cross breed) or rare breed I hope all this information is helpful to those buyers that are not aware of the many different registries and what each registries mission is. Bottomline here is to proceed with caution and know your breeder and why they opt to reg with the alternative agencies. And for those breeders that explain "its because of cost" are perhaps the ones you want to avoid for those are more often the puppy mills that are in the breed for profit (quantity not quality) not abiding to the animal care principles nor their well being, more often than not producing substandard health and quality of the breed. This doesn't mean ALL registries I listed above produce only inferior breed stock because there are respectable, responsible and caring breeders that may have aquired their dogs without papers but the dame/sire are AKC but purchased on a NO Breed contract. If that be the case some breeders have no choice than to paper their dogs else where giving credibility to the breeding program. Simply question them, ask them outright why they chose their registry and if you are comfortable with the breeder, their explanation and the quality of litter they produce don't be hesitant (unless your objective is to purchase a show quality dog and your intent is to show him/her even then there are no guarantees you have a champion). |
04-02-2007, 08:23 PM | #3 |
Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Indiana
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| thank you very much, that was very helpful. Okay, another question. When i got my female, they said that they had papered her, but i got nothing when i picked her up, they had my address to send to, but never have....so my best option from reading your list, is to go with the APR, or the DRA to get something going for her....she's considered a yorkie poo, and i have taken her to the vet and the only thing about a poodle he could actually visually see was her neck was long....(like a poodle). Other than that she is gold and turning blue.... So, I'm a bit confused on what i should do to get papers going on her. I know she's not "purebred", but she was bred with one...and i want to get papers going on the litter as well. I'm not breeding to make any money, it was really an accident.....and i knew not a whole lot on her "heat" cycle, and actually before i did, it was too late...i'm sure alot knows how that goes. But, I have been asked since the puppies have been born if i plan to sell, because they would like one....well, there again, i'm stuck with the registration process...and then a price since they aren't purebred. Thanks for all your help, your article was very informative, i plan on checking some of these out online if i can obtain the sites for them and do a little bit of research. yorkiemomma7 |
04-03-2007, 05:04 AM | #4 |
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| i don't see how a mixed breed dog pr puppies can be registered i guess they can but that seems a little misleading to me??
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04-03-2007, 05:15 AM | #5 |
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| You can not register mixed breed pups with AKC. Why register even with another company since they are yorkipos (mixed)? Why spend more of your hard earned money on something that really won't matter? Registrations are to create pedigrees - family trees. So when one is breeding the pups, once grown, one will know where they came from to make a better match knowing what is behind the pup. I know you are on cloud 9 right now just having a litter - it is like having a new baby - you just happened to have more and they are furry. Relax, enjoy the pups and sell them as pets. Don't worry about registrations, since they are not purebreed puppies. T. |
04-03-2007, 05:21 AM | #6 | |
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04-03-2007, 07:22 AM | #7 | |
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I would agree with the suggestion already made by someone. Even if you wanted to register these pups, you can't as they are mixes. Enjoy them for the cute pups they are and do all you can to ensure that they will be the perfect pet for whomever you decide to place them with. | |
04-03-2007, 09:27 AM | #8 |
Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Indiana
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| Well, thanks for the suggestions. I did, however, find out that i can, in fact, register them with the DRA. Those that are considered mixed breeds, can be registered even if they have no paperwork, it even says Yorkiepoos, and other breeds listed that are mixed poodles and so on. Not that i really want to do this because it would be a better thing to do for "show dogs"...mine aren't show dogs...and i'm glad for that. I just wanted to show MY puppies family tree to those who will get them as thier pets, so that they can know which mother and father parented them. My vet said that they could probably be registered, maybe not with such a place as the akc , or even ckc, but my male is a registered ckc, since he is full blooded. As long as my female can be registered, then her puppies can also. If she cannot be then the puppies cannot be either. It doesn't matter either way, i just wanted some input on the topic...so thanks for all of your opinions and information, i appreciate it. yorkiemomma7 |
04-03-2007, 01:24 PM | #9 |
Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Indiana
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| I spoke with the woman from this site i checked out "formerly the US Kennel Club" https://www.dogpapers.com/Downloads/getapps.html you may want to check out their guidelines for registering and certifying dogs.....in fact, they said that they have been doing this for a long time, and it gets done every day. I had explained to her that i did not get papers for my female, and that my male has papers, and she just had puppies. Come to find out i can register all of them at the same time, which is very convenient. I am not going to get ill tempered about anyone telling me that i cannot register my dog, not when i find out for myself that i can....it's not about paperwork anyways, it's about loving animals. Mine are just an extension of my family...papers or not, i love them just the way they are!! yorkiemomma7 |
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04-04-2007, 04:18 PM | #11 |
Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Indiana
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| Yeah, that is what i was checking into...just a registration, ya know, to show that they were born, to which parents and so forth. I know that only purebreds can be registered in the CKC, and the AKC, such as my full-blooded yorkie, but my female cannot, but, i will register them through the DRA. I am not one who thinks papers mean anything, but it helps to know where the litter that my female had now comes from. Just a form of documentation....Hope everyone has a HAPPY EASTER!!! yorkiemomma7 |
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