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luvdorkyyorkies · 08-31-2006, 12:45 PM

I understand when one doesnt treat when a puppy isnt positive for worms. That makes perfect sense.
But truthfully when I treat with panacur, It has a triple purpose.
It helps me possibly safeguard the puppies and new owners from parasites, protozoa and maybe allergic reactions before they leave here.
Panacur is also a treatment against giardia. Have I ever had giardia here? No. But I live within 2 miles of the wabash river, which floods out of its banks into the farmland a few times a year. So its not uncommon for there to be standing water not far from here. Do my yorkies have excess to the water? No they dont and they dont drink from stagnant dirty water either.
Its just a precaution I feel good about. If they have a reaction to the medications given here too, then its possibly they may have a liver problem.
I have attached a couple links. The table below is a table insert I found at this link http://www.priory.com/vet/giardia.htm

http://www.thepetcenter.com/exa/gia.html

Treatments for Giardias in dogs
Drug Name Trade Name Dose Rate Duration of
Treatment
Metronidazole Flagyl 25-30 mg/kg bid** 7 days
Furazolidone Neftin 4 mg/kg bid* 10 days
Tinadazole - 44 mg/kg once daily 7 days
Fenbendazole Panacur *** 50 mg/kg once daily 3 days
Albendazole Valbazen 25 mg/kg bid 2 days

Im sure not everyone would agree with what I do. But I feel good about it.

Breny · 08-31-2006, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkieRose

I am not in favor or rountine worming of pusp without a stool check..no worms, no worming.

That is exactly what my vet told me when I asked about my current litter. I ahven't wormed them yet. They will be 8 weeks old.

YorkiesRfavorit · 08-31-2006, 03:42 PM

the mom likes to dig and months before even getting pregnant i saw 2 little worms in one of my yorkies poop(i have 3 adult yorkies). after scrubbing my skin in the shower for over 30 min. and daytime flashbacks of poop with 2 little worms which i could draw onto paper exactly what i saw even many hours later i spent 50.00 for deworming pills for all 3 yorkies. i had just given them their heartworm medicine 2 days earlier and i was told by the vet that the heartworm prevention is probably what made the worms come out. (after that incident i have become faithful with the heartworm prevention) The mom was never pregnant and dewormed but she did get the heartworm prevention while preg. the vet and directions on the box said it was okay to use on a preg dog.
i have 2 pups one boy and one girl they are now 6 weeks. the boy did have a potbelly at 4 weeks, i thought he was just fat but reading some entries on YT (wonderful site) i was almost positive it was worms. i kind of didnt want to bring him to the vet (you know, what you dont know wont hurt you). anyways they are 6 weeks now an look soooo cute their bellies look regular now although i need to bring them back to the vet. ill do it tomorrow after work. my husdand works night so if there are worms like last time i dont know what i will do. there is no way i will be able to clean them up!!!!!!!!!!

DazzlinYT · 09-01-2006, 06:55 AM

Your mom dog could easily not have worms, because she is on HW (which do you use by the way?) I assume these are round worms, which can easily be picked up on her feet when she goes outside, she licks her feet, licks the babies, voila, round worms. It is normal practice for breeders to worm their pups, whether the mother has worms or not. The ONLY time you wouldn't have to do that is if your dogs live in individual kennels, and never go outside.

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Originally Posted by YorkiesRfavorit

i asked the vet if the mom should be dewormed and he said no because she is on the heartworm prevention and that will take care of moms worms so i assume it means mom is immune from worms??? i dont know just trying to make it make sense. mom likes to dig and i think that is how she gets it. being such a worm freak, i did ask if i should deworm the mom and i was told no.

DazzlinYT · 09-01-2006, 06:57 AM

I have never heard of an adverse affect of wormer on pups (for rounds not tapes), therefore I have no problem worming them with or without fecal confirmation of worms. Now if I hear of any reported problems, I will change my philosophy.

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Originally Posted by Breny

That is exactly what my vet told me when I asked about my current litter. I ahven't wormed them yet. They will be 8 weeks old.

Breny · 09-01-2006, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by DazzlinYT

I have never heard of an adverse affect of wormer on pups (for rounds not tapes), therefore I have no problem worming them with or without fecal confirmation of worms. Now if I hear of any reported problems, I will change my philosophy.

What is the best wormer to use and where can I purchase it? How much do you give them? My pups do not have the pot belly and mom was on HW.

DazzlinYT · 09-01-2006, 07:30 AM

Here is the one I use, and a link to order...

http://www.jefferspet.com/ssc/produc...231&cmkw=nemex

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Originally Posted by Breny

What is the best wormer to use and where can I purchase it? How much do you give them? My pups do not have the pot belly and mom was on HW.

Breny · 09-01-2006, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DazzlinYT

Here is the one I use, and a link to order...

http://www.jefferspet.com/ssc/produc...231&cmkw=nemex

THANK YOU !!!

YorkiesRfavorit · 09-01-2006, 06:07 PM

my pups are 6 weeks old and i took them to the vet today no worms!!!!!!!!!! yaaaaayah. again i asked the vet if i could get a pill for the mom just in case and he said if she is on heartworm prevenative she doesnt need it. by the way the worms were round worms if you do a search on the internet for roundworms i tell you it looked just like the pic. i have no problems playing with my babies now that i know they are clean

YorkiesRfavorit · 09-01-2006, 10:17 PM

ooooooooooooooh the horror!!!!!!!!!!! my vet lied to me. he said no worms. i got home gave them their hearworm prevention for the first time and 4 hours later surprise surprise! my husband is not home so i took the puppies out of the bathroom and put them in a box in the living room. i had to shut the bathroom door and put something in front of the bathroom door just in case some miricle happens and the door opens itself. yessss i am turning into a nutcase because of these worms. i just ordered nemex 2 online tonight. i hope it comes soon!!!!

Lacy's Mom · 09-01-2006, 10:33 PM

Is it safe to give heartworm meds so young????
Nemex II is safe for puppies and lacatating moms, but the active ingredient is pyrantal pamoate which you can buy over the counter at Petsmart in Lambert Kay Evict DS.

I had never heard of a single treatment working that's why I asked if the vet scheduled you to come back for another treatment. Usually they do it every 2 weeks until 10 weeks old and also the treat the Mom. Keep the stools cleaned up in the yard and change the potty pads after every bowel movement.

YorkiesRfavorit · 09-01-2006, 10:42 PM

the vet gave me interceptor the directions said it can be used on puppies over 6 weeks my puppies are 6 weeks and 3 days. man this is a real pain so reading all the replys im gonna try nemex 2 on my own. are the meds from pet smart just as good as the ones you can get from the vet. someone told me the meds for deworming from walmart really didnt work. the rumor around town is the vet i have been taking my puppies to is the most expensive but worth it. im starting to question it.

BamaFan121s · 09-05-2006, 10:48 AM

Interceptor is for the prevention of heartworms, NOT worms found in the intestine. Plus, vets are supposed to perform a test for heartworms before the preventative is given and is NOT an effective preventative or treatment for roundworms, hookworms, etc.

DazzlinYT · 09-05-2006, 11:20 AM

Not sure where you are getting your info, but here is info from the Interceptor Novartis website..http://www.interceptor.novartis.us/

INTERCEPTOR Flavor Tabs for dogs prevent deadly heartworm disease, while protecting your dog against roundworms (Toxocara canis, Toxascaris leonina), hookworms (Ancylostoma caninum) and whipworms (Trichuris vulpis).

INTERCEPTOR Flavor Tabs for cats are the only oral monthly preventative that protect against heartworms (Dirofilaria immitis) and remove adult roundworms (Toxocara cati) and adult hookworms (Ancylostoma tubaeforme).

As with other heartworm preventatives, pets must be tested for heartworms prior to using INTERCEPTOR Flavor Tabs. In a small percentage of treated dogs, digestive and neurological side effects may occur. In cats, safety studies at up to 10 times the label dose did not detect any adverse drug reactions.

Click HERE for full product information.

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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Interceptor is for the prevention of heartworms, NOT worms found in the intestine. Plus, vets are supposed to perform a test for heartworms before the preventative is given and is NOT an effective preventative or treatment for roundworms, hookworms, etc.

BamaFan121s · 09-05-2006, 12:40 PM

It is only effective in getting rid of them in the adult stage of life. However, it is not effective in guarding them against passing it on to other dogs or from the effects of the worms during their non-adult phases of life. These complications and the ability to pass them onto other animals, including humans, can begin very early in pups. I seriously doubt it is a good idea to begin a pup on heartworm medication at 2-3 weeks of age.
Just because Interceptor treats and prevents adult worms in dogs, doesn't mean they can't still carry and pass on the eggs an larvae, thus spreading infestation. (Heartworms can't be passed by means of feces...the worms' full life cycle is within the heart/blood stream.) So no, it is NOT an effective preventative.

08-31-2006, 12:45 PM	#16
luvdorkyyorkies BANNED! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 1,681	I understand when one doesnt treat when a puppy isnt positive for worms. That makes perfect sense. But truthfully when I treat with panacur, It has a triple purpose. It helps me possibly safeguard the puppies and new owners from parasites, protozoa and maybe allergic reactions before they leave here. Panacur is also a treatment against giardia. Have I ever had giardia here? No. But I live within 2 miles of the wabash river, which floods out of its banks into the farmland a few times a year. So its not uncommon for there to be standing water not far from here. Do my yorkies have excess to the water? No they dont and they dont drink from stagnant dirty water either. Its just a precaution I feel good about. If they have a reaction to the medications given here too, then its possibly they may have a liver problem. I have attached a couple links. The table below is a table insert I found at this link http://www.priory.com/vet/giardia.htm http://www.thepetcenter.com/exa/gia.html Treatments for Giardias in dogs Drug Name Trade Name Dose Rate Duration of Treatment Metronidazole Flagyl 25-30 mg/kg bid** 7 days Furazolidone Neftin 4 mg/kg bid* 10 days Tinadazole - 44 mg/kg once daily 7 days Fenbendazole Panacur *** 50 mg/kg once daily 3 days Albendazole Valbazen 25 mg/kg bid 2 days Im sure not everyone would agree with what I do. But I feel good about it.

08-31-2006, 03:42 PM	#18
YorkiesRfavorit Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 33	the mom likes to dig and months before even getting pregnant i saw 2 little worms in one of my yorkies poop(i have 3 adult yorkies). after scrubbing my skin in the shower for over 30 min. and daytime flashbacks of poop with 2 little worms which i could draw onto paper exactly what i saw even many hours later i spent 50.00 for deworming pills for all 3 yorkies. i had just given them their heartworm medicine 2 days earlier and i was told by the vet that the heartworm prevention is probably what made the worms come out. (after that incident i have become faithful with the heartworm prevention) The mom was never pregnant and dewormed but she did get the heartworm prevention while preg. the vet and directions on the box said it was okay to use on a preg dog. i have 2 pups one boy and one girl they are now 6 weeks. the boy did have a potbelly at 4 weeks, i thought he was just fat but reading some entries on YT (wonderful site) i was almost positive it was worms. i kind of didnt want to bring him to the vet (you know, what you dont know wont hurt you). anyways they are 6 weeks now an look soooo cute their bellies look regular now although i need to bring them back to the vet. ill do it tomorrow after work. my husdand works night so if there are worms like last time i dont know what i will do. there is no way i will be able to clean them up!!!!!!!!!!

09-01-2006, 06:07 PM	#24
YorkiesRfavorit Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 33	my pups are 6 weeks old and i took them to the vet today no worms!!!!!!!!!! yaaaaayah. again i asked the vet if i could get a pill for the mom just in case and he said if she is on heartworm prevenative she doesnt need it. by the way the worms were round worms if you do a search on the internet for roundworms i tell you it looked just like the pic. i have no problems playing with my babies now that i know they are clean

09-01-2006, 10:17 PM	#25
YorkiesRfavorit Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 33	ooooooooooooooh the horror!!!!!!!!!!! my vet lied to me. he said no worms. i got home gave them their hearworm prevention for the first time and 4 hours later surprise surprise! my husband is not home so i took the puppies out of the bathroom and put them in a box in the living room. i had to shut the bathroom door and put something in front of the bathroom door just in case some miricle happens and the door opens itself. yessss i am turning into a nutcase because of these worms. i just ordered nemex 2 online tonight. i hope it comes soon!!!!

09-01-2006, 10:33 PM	#26
Lacy's Mom YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: El Paso, Texas Posts: 3,065	Is it safe to give heartworm meds so young???? Nemex II is safe for puppies and lacatating moms, but the active ingredient is pyrantal pamoate which you can buy over the counter at Petsmart in Lambert Kay Evict DS. I had never heard of a single treatment working that's why I asked if the vet scheduled you to come back for another treatment. Usually they do it every 2 weeks until 10 weeks old and also the treat the Mom. Keep the stools cleaned up in the yard and change the potty pads after every bowel movement.

09-01-2006, 10:42 PM	#27
YorkiesRfavorit Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 33	the vet gave me interceptor the directions said it can be used on puppies over 6 weeks my puppies are 6 weeks and 3 days. man this is a real pain so reading all the replys im gonna try nemex 2 on my own. are the meds from pet smart just as good as the ones you can get from the vet. someone told me the meds for deworming from walmart really didnt work. the rumor around town is the vet i have been taking my puppies to is the most expensive but worth it. im starting to question it.

09-05-2006, 10:48 AM	#28
BamaFan121s Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Alabama Posts: 11,432	Interceptor is for the prevention of heartworms, NOT worms found in the intestine. Plus, vets are supposed to perform a test for heartworms before the preventative is given and is NOT an effective preventative or treatment for roundworms, hookworms, etc.

09-05-2006, 12:40 PM	#30
BamaFan121s Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Alabama Posts: 11,432	It is only effective in getting rid of them in the adult stage of life. However, it is not effective in guarding them against passing it on to other dogs or from the effects of the worms during their non-adult phases of life. These complications and the ability to pass them onto other animals, including humans, can begin very early in pups. I seriously doubt it is a good idea to begin a pup on heartworm medication at 2-3 weeks of age. Just because Interceptor treats and prevents adult worms in dogs, doesn't mean they can't still carry and pass on the eggs an larvae, thus spreading infestation. (Heartworms can't be passed by means of feces...the worms' full life cycle is within the heart/blood stream.) So no, it is NOT an effective preventative.