Why Breed?

[BamaFan121s]

Thanks Robbie...your post means ALOT to me. That is exactly my point. I think it is very important to take things one step at a time, not just rush into something with no clue as to what I am doing. I can just see it now, handler/owners steps into a ring and is asked by another, "How long have you been doing this." Reply given is, "Oh, this is my first day. I just got my Yorkie last night." I think you have to build on your knowledge of the breed first before you can ever expect to appreciate any type of competition at all.

[kisszoe]

Sugar'smom, Yorkiemom1970, Tasha'smom and Bamafan121s and there are others I'm sure. I wanted to tell you I love all that you have had to say on this subject.

I agree...the comment about Down's syndrome was in very bad taste. I know a family in which the oldest has DS and is one of the most gentle, kind, human beings you would ever have the priveledge of meeting. This couple went on to have 7 more children. All of them are "normal". They have great faith and trust in the Lord. He has blessed them with a beautiful family. I would say more about my opinion of humans "breeding" but, it would probably just inflame the topic and that is not really what I want to do. Let's just say that I believe in families. I wasn't going to even address the DS comment, but after reading Sugar'smom's post...I just had to. I admire her for what she is doing with her dogs and her human children! Way to go!!

[lksdolls]

Originally Posted by yorkieK9trainer

This irks me TERRIBLY.
Why are "living room breeders" so proud? Because you produce good dogs?
What about "good" Yorkies? Many of these "living room breeders" produce dogs that carry the Yorkie name, but look NOTHING like them! What gives?
NOTE: I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR ALL LRB, just most of them. Once and a while I'm sure you'll find a diamond in the rough where a LRB has something worth while, but not often.



I just don't get it. That'd be like someone w/ a down syndrome child that is proud it has down syndrome because it's "their" child...and keep having children w/o ever getting that child tested BEFORE it's born (even thought they know those tests are available to them!). Why have dogs the same way? So what if it has a slight problem? It's so sweet and cute, certainly the pups he/she produces must be the same way! ?!?!?
How is that ethical in any way??
-Again, NOT every LRB fits this steriotype, but many do. And YEAH, you'll find people that own Yorkies from LRB that LOVE their dog and the experience they've had w/t he LRB, but most of those people don't know any better anyway and as long as it's cute many of those people don't care (because they don't know all the things they should about Yorkies).

*grr*

GIVE IT A REST! I would respond to you've ignorant comments but you are not worthy of my time. You may be educated, knowledgeable and an elitist, as you certainly have desperately tried to prove your superiority to others here, but you have very little, if any, common sense.

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

It irks me that you refuse to give others any credibility because they fail to follow and do exactly as you do. And people wonder why show breeders often get stereotyped as "snooty know it alls..."

I have to agree here...I can't believe some of what I just read either .....Way to go all you LRB's or whatever the new lable is...if it weren't for many of you ....there would be lots less wonderful yorkies living in wonderful homes....

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by yorkieK9trainer

Interesting spin on the backyard breeder title. So if you were afraid of someone labeling you that, why try to cushion it by calling yourself a LRB if there's pretty much no difference? I'm sure many of the backyard breeders or "hobby breeders" raise their pups in the living room and only call themselves byb because that's what definition the hobbiest was given?

In regards to the downs comment, I suppose it was a bad choice, but you got my point and that's all I wanted. Is your real name Patricia by any chance??

What in my post made you think I am afraid of being labeled a "living room" breeder? I am not and in fact I put the label on myself along with my husband. As far as being afraid, not much rattles me and I need no one to take up for me. I deal with troublemakers every day of my life and that seems to be your sole purpose for this post. I think every one that has responded to any of your posts on this subject is well aware of what you are and what you are trying to do.

[YorkieRini]

You guys. Let's just step back a minute. This is not any different than us saying the 'Pros' or 'Snobby' about show breeders. We can't take such defense at these things when we (including myself) fight back the same way.

IMO the there are only 2 categories of breeders (I think we've talked about this before infact):
1. ETHICAL, HONEST, REPUTABLE
2. Anything but...

You can find both kinds of breeders in BYB and PROS it's what caliber of breeder do YOU want to be.

I strive to be the ETHICAL REPUTABLE HONEST breeder. Aiming to be 'one of those' everything else falls into place. The breeders that I feel like this about:
are those that are anything but...

Now, my definition of category 1. may be different then most. But I hold myself and others to that. That's when we get upset I think.

What we need to focus on is ourselves. Like I said in the past, I have friends, very good friends that breed not only Yorkies but other breeds too that may not have th same definitions as to what they consider Ethical and Reputable (Honesty is not matter of opinion folks..lol) we know better than to get into eachothers business because we would argue and fight about it because we have different beliefs...lolol.

Again, me and my dang speeches, but let's not get 'hot and bothered' by K9 because she obviously has her own definitions just as we do ours. Doesn't make her a bad person. Let's try accept her for her who she is even if she does rattle some cages.

Now there are those that like to argue and fight their points and views. I can't help that..lololol..I just want to make sure those that are not 'fighters' do not take K9 as a personal attack on their breeding program. They need to be confident and forget what others say (just like Robbie said!!).

Hugs,
Irene

[hunniebunnie]

Originally Posted by yorkieK9trainer

In regards to the downs comment, I suppose it was a bad choice, but you got my point and that's all I wanted.

it's not only a bad choice and in poor taste, it's quite offensive and does NOT at all get whatever point you're trying to prove unless your objective is to offend.

as for hobbist breeders, lrb, etc, i didn't read all the pages on this, but i'm glad they exist to produce well cared for puppies at lower prices 'cause not all of us can afford a pup from a show breeder or care to fly a pup from a distance 'cause there are no local breeders within reasonable driving distance. if not for a local lrb, i wouldn't have lil bunjee sleeping on my lap as i type.

'nuff said.

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by YorkieRini

You guys. Let's just step back a minute. This is not any different than us saying the 'Pros' or 'Snobby' about show breeders. We can't take such defense at these things when we (including myself) fight back the same way.

IMO the there are only 2 categories of breeders (I think we've talked about this before infact):
1. ETHICAL, HONEST, REPUTABLE
2. Anything but...

You can find both kinds of breeders in BYB and PROS it's what caliber of breeder do YOU want to be.

I strive to be the ETHICAL REPUTABLE HONEST breeder. Aiming to be 'one of those' everything else falls into place. The breeders that I feel like this about:
are those that are anything but...

Now, my definition of category 1. may be different then most. But I hold myself and others to that. That's when we get upset I think.

What we need to focus on is ourselves. Like I said in the past, I have friends, very good friends that breed not only Yorkies but other breeds too that may not have th same definitions as to what they consider Ethical and Reputable (Honesty is not matter of opinion folks..lol) we know better than to get into eachothers business because we would argue and fight about it because we have different beliefs...lolol.

Again, me and my dang speeches, but let's not get 'hot and bothered' by K9 because she obviously has her own definitions just as we do ours. Doesn't make her a bad person. Let's try accept her for her who she is even if she does rattle some cages.

Now there are those that like to argue and fight their points and views. I can't help that..lololol..I just want to make sure those that are not 'fighters' do not take K9 as a personal attack on their breeding program. They need to be confident and forget what others say (just like Robbie said!!).

Hugs,
Irene

irene, I agree with almost every part of your post however, I do feel that she definitly meant to attack some of us. It seems very clear from her posts to some of us. I probably will have nothing more to say on this subject because it seems she want the last word. I will let her have it

As far as the show dog breeding goes, I don't care who does what. I have no knowledge at all of the show ring and why things are the way they are. I love to watch all the pretty little dogs on TV but that is about it. We do raise Champion Beagles but their championships are not based on what they do in the ring, but at Field trials run by the AKC. What that means is basically, how good can they chase a rabbit. How do they act, what kind of mouth and foot do they have, are they running in the right class for the standard. As you can see, totally different. I would never put any show breeder down. I think they are wonderful. I also would never put living room, kitchen, BYB down because I'm sure the majority of them have a firm commitment to what they do. As was mentioned before, not everyone want to show or cannot show for one reason or another. I have no interest whatsoever in it. As far as uneducated breeders go, It has been my experience since I have been here, that most of us on this forum are here because we want to learn from those that are more seasoned than we are. I view this entire thread the same way that I do when that ONE person always comes on here and asks, "why do you want to breed'? when someone new like me even mentions breeding. It is to stir up trouble.

[YorkieRini]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

irene, I agree with almost every part of your post however, I do feel that she definitly meant to attack some of us. It seems very clear from her posts to some of us. I probably will have nothing more to say on this subject because it seems she want the last word. I will let her have it

As far as the show dog breeding goes, I don't care who does what. I have no knowledge at all of the show ring and why things are the way they are. I love to watch all the pretty little dogs on TV but that is about it. We do raise Champion Beagles but their championships are not based on what they do in the ring, but at Field trials run by the AKC. What that means is basically, how good can they chase a rabbit. How do they act, what kind of mouth and foot do they have, are they running in the right class for the standard. As you can see, totally different. I would never put any show breeder down. I think they are wonderful. I also would never put living room, kitchen, BYB down because I'm sure the majority of them have a firm commitment to what they do. As was mentioned before, not everyone want to show or cannot show for one reason or another. I have no interest whatsoever in it. As far as uneducated breeders go, It has been my experience since I have been here, that most of us on this forum are here because we want to learn from those that are more seasoned than we are. I view this entire thread the same way that I do when that ONE person always comes on here and asks, "why do you want to breed'? when someone new like me even mentions breeding. It is to stir up trouble.

I understand. I guess i wanted to give K9 the benefit of the doubt that she is just trying to educate and share her beliefs and passions. I don't think she meant to be hurtful only to make a point. I am only saying this because I've been in her position about Biewers. I did not have the intention others assumed. So let's try not to assume K9's intentions. I've seen much much worse on YT and other forums.

Hugs,
Irene

[shelbysmom]

Once again this thread is making breeders that "show" sound like a bad thing. They are not all perfect, some are snobs and some are not ethical but it isn't the "show" part that makes them that way.

Everyone that wants to breed should breed "as if" they are going to show.

IMO breeders should.

1. Breed for the standard. Know the background of the dogs they are breeding and the health history. (If they got one of the dogs at a petshop and one at a BYB then they shouldn't breed them)
2. Treat their dogs well. Not just the puppies. What kind of situation do the adult dogs live in? (Commercial kennels are OUT)
3. Treat the people they sell to well.

Number 3 is the least important and being good at number 2 doesn't make up for being horrible at number 1.

Petshops are out.
True BYB are out.
Commercial breeders are out.
Poor pet quality pups should be spayed/neurtered.

Hobby Breeders and Reputable experienced breeders are the only ones that should breed.

[shelbysmom]

Originally Posted by yorkieK9trainer

This irks me TERRIBLY.
Why are "living room breeders" so proud? Because you produce good dogs?
What about "good" Yorkies? Many of these "living room breeders" produce dogs that carry the Yorkie name, but look NOTHING like them! What gives?
NOTE: I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR ALL LRB, just most of them. Once and a while I'm sure you'll find a diamond in the rough where a LRB has something worth while, but not often.



*grr*

Well, I agree with you on this part. I think there seems to be an opinion that if the dogs live in the LR with a breeder, that makes them a good breeder. In my opinion treating dogs well is one part of being a good breeder but not everyone that does this should breed. That has more to do with being the good pet owner we all strive to be.

A breeder has to be more than that.

[yorkiemom1970]

There are really only two kinds of breeders all other names aside...GOOD and BAD.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by yorkiemom1970

There are really only two kinds of breeders all other names aside...GOOD and BAD.

TOTALLY agree ...this is what I've been saying all along!

[sylvan]

Originally Posted by shelbysmom

Once again this thread is making breeders that "show" sound like a bad thing. They are not all perfect, some are snobs and some are not ethical but it isn't the "show" part that makes them that way.

Everyone that wants to breed should breed "as if" they are going to show.

IMO breeders should.

1. Breed for the standard. Know the background of the dogs they are breeding and the health history. (If they got one of the dogs at a petshop and one at a BYB then they shouldn't breed them)
2. Treat their dogs well. Not just the puppies. What kind of situation do the adult dogs live in? (Commercial kennels are OUT)
3. Treat the people they sell to well.

Number 3 is the least important and being good at number 2 doesn't make up for being horrible at number 1.

Petshops are out.
True BYB are out.
Commercial breeders are out.
Poor pet quality pups should be spayed/neurtered.

Hobby Breeders and Reputable experienced breeders are the only ones that should breed.

now THIS is something I can agree with

[goldenray]

Originally Posted by shelbysmom

Once again this thread is making breeders that "show" sound like a bad thing. They are not all perfect, some are snobs and some are not ethical but it isn't the "show" part that makes them that way.

Everyone that wants to breed should breed "as if" they are going to show.

IMO breeders should.

1. Breed for the standard. Know the background of the dogs they are breeding and the health history. (If they got one of the dogs at a petshop and one at a BYB then they shouldn't breed them)
2. Treat their dogs well. Not just the puppies. What kind of situation do the adult dogs live in? (Commercial kennels are OUT)
3. Treat the people they sell to well.

Number 3 is the least important and being good at number 2 doesn't make up for being horrible at number 1.

Petshops are out.
True BYB are out.
Commercial breeders are out.
Poor pet quality pups should be spayed/neurtered.

Hobby Breeders and Reputable experienced breeders are the only ones that should breed.

Shelbysmom this is an excellent assessment!