Should breeder be responsible for cryptorchid????? - YorkieTalk.com Forums

yorkEluv · 03-04-2006, 08:12 PM

I really need help!!!!! I purchased a yorkie male from a breeder : I thought was a friend (Boy was I DUMB!). She knew I was looking for a tiny male and while we were talking she said she had a wonderful tiny guy. I was wanting him to use as a breeding male to my 2 females, and she knew this. At the time of purchase she gave me a copy of her stud contract to use when the male was used for stud. I ask her what would we do if something were to come up if he couldn't breed. She was smooth, she said we'll figure it out when the time comes. So she got my money.
When I took him home he was crusty with flea crud, ear mites, worms of all kinds. The vet checked and treated him for all listed. I called to tell her about the puppy, and her answer was: It is dirt from where he was playing outside. She had to tell me that she is so good with he puppies her vet always recommends her to anyone looking for a Yorkie. Her vet told me this was untrue as they never recommended her. The story only gets worse.
I contacted her to let her know that only one of the testicles was coming down, what could she do. She said give him time as yorkies are slow to develop.
Well he has only one testicle. I've had him to 2 vets and they say its a defect that can be passed on. I have called her to request that she replace
the dog or refund my money. After a year of hearing she doen't have any male puppies, she doesn't have any females bred(she has 9 females I know of and breeds every heat cycle), and she can't guarantee a male to have 2 testicles (She said B-lls).
My proven female was in again and I had tried to breed him twice with the male (he was old enough to breed) at her request: that just because he had one testicle didn't mean he couldn't produce. Well he couldn't, and can't.
So my final attempt was to contact her and ask if she had any puppies,
NO. Well did she have anything I could use. Yes she had a male (she had bought him back for 1/2 of purchase price. He was 1 year old and 1/2 brother to the male I had. So I thought HUH! we'll she how far we can go with this. I ask what she wanted for the male and I just needed to come look to see if I liked him. After getting this answer again. I got my courage to ask what she could do about replacing my male with the male she was offering me forsale..... She told me that she couldn't do that the dog was promised to her son. She did offer me one stud service and she would take my male back. Big offer for me. I'm out the money and she wants more.
I've since filed a lawsuit in smallclaims. So what I need from you all is answers. Shouldn't this breeder be responsible for this male?????
Thanks to all who care to help.
yorkEluv

chechinmipo · 03-05-2006, 12:04 AM

Unless it was stated in a contract that this puppy was purchased for breeding I think there is much to be done. Now if she is being smart and not will to exchange, I really don't know what to say cause this would make me mad.

yorkEluv · 03-05-2006, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by chechinmipo

Unless it was stated in a contract that this puppy was purchased for breeding I think there is much to be done. Now if she is being smart and not will to exchange, I really don't know what to say cause this would make me mad.

I'm sorry to say there wasn't a contract. No one gets any written guarantee or contract. Her word was good, or so she said. I guess I'm learning from my experience. NO she won't replace or exchange the dog. She had a 1 year old male that she would have sold me, but won't exchange or replace with. She offered 1 stud service, and she would take my male dog back. Thanks!

diva pup · 03-05-2006, 05:37 AM

After living with this dog for however long you are willing to give him back to a woman that sold him to you with worms, mites and filthy? I just cannot wrap my mind around this.
An undescended testicle can cause all kinds of other problems, you should have him neutered and soon.

troubletb · 03-05-2006, 05:51 AM

First, whether possible or not, don't ever try to breed a male with only one testicle! Two, you thought this woman was a friend?? And you bought a puppy from her that had fleas, worms, and ear mites?? I'm thinking that you really didn't know this woman that well.

As far as filing a lawsuit, Do you have proof anywhere that you were planning on using this boy for breeding?? How about a health issue?? Do you have a contract of sale? Something saying the dog is healthy?? If you do, you might be able to win, because a dog with onnly one testicle should be fixed as it could develop cancer later on.

I'm not picking on you and the Lord knows I have made many mistakes myself, but breeding Yorkshire Terriers, or any dog for that matter is not an easy task, we must first be fully knowledgable, know what we are looking to achieve, and then go after if, money not be a opinion~ When I lookied for my male it took me at least 8 months, if not longer to find him and then I had to travel to pick him up.

yorkEluv · 03-05-2006, 06:27 AM

First let me state I'm very new at this and I know I have a lot to learn. The little male is well taken care of and all 4 of my yorkies live as family in our home. It sounds like I'm a whiner and maybe I am, but the situation never ends with this person. This "person" is also advertising her puppies using pictures of my dogs on a puppy website. When I called her on it and requested them removed.
She promised to sell this male on the site for me. I know for a fact that if she were to get this male back he would be sold. There is nothing in her house that isn't breedable, or cranking out puppies. I would be more than happy to neuter and place this male in a loving home. BUT I think this "person" needs to be accountable for their actions. If she does this to her "Friends" what is she doing to others. Money or another dog is no longer the answer. If action isn't taken this will only continue. As we know hind site is 20/20.

bugaboosmom · 03-05-2006, 10:33 AM

This might not be able to help your situtation but do you have Puppy Lemon Laws in your state? If you do, research it. And inform this "person" about it.

speck103 · 03-05-2006, 10:42 AM

Who is this "person" and what is the website, so we could all beware?

yorkEluv · 03-05-2006, 10:47 AM

I'm not sure about the puppy lemon law or where to even look.
I check on it asap.
Thanks

txshopper73 · 03-05-2006, 05:44 PM

When they have zero testicles, it's called cryptorchid. One testicle is Monorchid. I'm sorry to hear that you didn't have a contract. You're best bet is to have him neutered and either rehome him or keep his as a pet. Retained testicles become cancerous.

It's a shame that you've had to deal with the likes of her. A dear breeder/friend of mine is dealing with this and it's the first time to ever happen to her and she's got 3 pups that are monorchid from the same stud. He's never produced pups like this but they all come from him.

Anyway, you may just have to cut your losses on this little male and like I said, neuter him. Just because it is possible to produce pups with a monorchid doesn't mean that they should be bred. It's a hereditary defect and people will respond to you as you have this breeder.

dinkydawgs · 03-06-2006, 04:41 PM

How old is this puppy because testicles can still come down as a puppy matures? It is not uncommon for the testicle to descend later. I think it is a little early to consider neutering especially if you are considering returning the dog. Good luck in reaching a resolution.

txshopper73 · 03-07-2006, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by dinkydawgs

How old is this puppy because testicles can still come down as a puppy matures? It is not uncommon for the testicle to descend later. I think it is a little early to consider neutering especially if you are considering returning the dog. Good luck in reaching a resolution.

In the OP, she said after a year of dealing with the breeder...so I'm asuming that this male is over 1 year old.

BlumoonYorkies · 03-07-2006, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkEluv

I really need help!!!!! I purchased a yorkie male from a breeder : I thought was a friend (Boy was I DUMB!). She knew I was looking for a tiny male and while we were talking she said she had a wonderful tiny guy. I was wanting him to use as a breeding male to my 2 females, and she knew this. At the time of purchase she gave me a copy of her stud contract to use when the male was used for stud. I ask her what would we do if something were to come up if he couldn't breed. She was smooth, she said we'll figure it out when the time comes. So she got my money.
When I took him home he was crusty with flea crud, ear mites, worms of all kinds. The vet checked and treated him for all listed. I called to tell her about the puppy, and her answer was: It is dirt from where he was playing outside. She had to tell me that she is so good with he puppies her vet always recommends her to anyone looking for a Yorkie. Her vet told me this was untrue as they never recommended her. The story only gets worse.
I contacted her to let her know that only one of the testicles was coming down, what could she do. She said give him time as yorkies are slow to develop.
Well he has only one testicle. I've had him to 2 vets and they say its a defect that can be passed on. I have called her to request that she replace
the dog or refund my money. After a year of hearing she doen't have any male puppies, she doesn't have any females bred(she has 9 females I know of and breeds every heat cycle), and she can't guarantee a male to have 2 testicles (She said B-lls).
My proven female was in again and I had tried to breed him twice with the male (he was old enough to breed) at her request: that just because he had one testicle didn't mean he couldn't produce. Well he couldn't, and can't.
So my final attempt was to contact her and ask if she had any puppies,
NO. Well did she have anything I could use. Yes she had a male (she had bought him back for 1/2 of purchase price. He was 1 year old and 1/2 brother to the male I had. So I thought HUH! we'll she how far we can go with this. I ask what she wanted for the male and I just needed to come look to see if I liked him. After getting this answer again. I got my courage to ask what she could do about replacing my male with the male she was offering me forsale..... She told me that she couldn't do that the dog was promised to her son. She did offer me one stud service and she would take my male back. Big offer for me. I'm out the money and she wants more.
I've since filed a lawsuit in smallclaims. So what I need from you all is answers. Shouldn't this breeder be responsible for this male?????
Thanks to all who care to help.
yorkEluv

I am sorry if you knew all this before you purchased from this kind of breeder you should of known better. First anyone who sells just for breeding and breeds every heat cycle is not reputable! Nor do they care about thier dogs. Your better off nuetering this male, god only knows what other health issue's lay there getting one from this kind of person. I would not take another one from her for breeding nor would I give that dog back to her. I would nueter him sell him as a pet and take your losses. Now if this was a show breeder you would of had plenty of recourse. But then they only sell to those who want to show and learn accordingly!

yorkEluv · 03-24-2006, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BlumoonYorkies

I am sorry if you knew all this before you purchased from this kind of breeder you should of known better. First anyone who sells just for breeding and breeds every heat cycle is not reputable! Nor do they care about thier dogs. Your better off nuetering this male, god only knows what other health issue's lay there getting one from this kind of person. I would not take another one from her for breeding nor would I give that dog back to her. I would nueter him sell him as a pet and take your losses. Now if this was a show breeder you would of had plenty of recourse. But then they only sell to those who want to show and learn accordingly!

GIGI,
I haven't been able to get back to your reply. I have been very busy resolving this issue over the male yorkie. Things went very well for the little male. I won judgement of the yorkie male.
I first need to say HE did not go back with the breeder. Nor was I planning to allow him to go. He is at this time being placed in a wonderful pet home approved by myself and a Veternarian. I did not charge for him. My concern was his care & happiness. He will be neutered and checked on to see everything is as it should be. He cannot be sold or placed into another household. He comes back to me and will just live here.
I have 3 female Yorkies that live in our "home", and I'm not a BYB.
Is the little memo ( NOT SO REPUTABLE) at the top of this page aimed at me?? If it is you don't know me. As for your comment about buying from a
reputable show breeder. That I would of have plenty of recourse, and they only sell to those who want to learn acordingly. Cheap Shot!! As for recourse I think; maybe or maybe not. And for wanting to show and learn accordingly. Not everyone has the money to purchase a "very" expensive show/breeder yorkie, and have the money for campaigning this dog to a championship. It is more than costly and VERY POLITICAL. I have learned a lesson from this experience and the last thing I need. Is someone to judge me and rub my nose in it.
I hope you will rethink being so judgemental. Remember the shoe could someday be on the other foot!!!!!!!!!!

txshopper73 · 03-24-2006, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkEluv

I have been very busy resolving this issue over the male yorkie. Things went very well for the little male. I won judgement of the yorkie male.

That's GREAT news! So glad that the judge ruled in your favor!!!!!!!!!!

03-04-2006, 08:12 PM	#1
yorkEluv Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 12	Should breeder be responsible for cryptorchid????? I really need help!!!!! I purchased a yorkie male from a breeder : I thought was a friend (Boy was I DUMB!). She knew I was looking for a tiny male and while we were talking she said she had a wonderful tiny guy. I was wanting him to use as a breeding male to my 2 females, and she knew this. At the time of purchase she gave me a copy of her stud contract to use when the male was used for stud. I ask her what would we do if something were to come up if he couldn't breed. She was smooth, she said we'll figure it out when the time comes. So she got my money. When I took him home he was crusty with flea crud, ear mites, worms of all kinds. The vet checked and treated him for all listed. I called to tell her about the puppy, and her answer was: It is dirt from where he was playing outside. She had to tell me that she is so good with he puppies her vet always recommends her to anyone looking for a Yorkie. Her vet told me this was untrue as they never recommended her. The story only gets worse. I contacted her to let her know that only one of the testicles was coming down, what could she do. She said give him time as yorkies are slow to develop. Well he has only one testicle. I've had him to 2 vets and they say its a defect that can be passed on. I have called her to request that she replace the dog or refund my money. After a year of hearing she doen't have any male puppies, she doesn't have any females bred(she has 9 females I know of and breeds every heat cycle), and she can't guarantee a male to have 2 testicles (She said B-lls). My proven female was in again and I had tried to breed him twice with the male (he was old enough to breed) at her request: that just because he had one testicle didn't mean he couldn't produce. Well he couldn't, and can't. So my final attempt was to contact her and ask if she had any puppies, NO. Well did she have anything I could use. Yes she had a male (she had bought him back for 1/2 of purchase price. He was 1 year old and 1/2 brother to the male I had. So I thought HUH! we'll she how far we can go with this. I ask what she wanted for the male and I just needed to come look to see if I liked him. After getting this answer again. I got my courage to ask what she could do about replacing my male with the male she was offering me forsale..... She told me that she couldn't do that the dog was promised to her son. She did offer me one stud service and she would take my male back. Big offer for me. I'm out the money and she wants more. I've since filed a lawsuit in smallclaims. So what I need from you all is answers. Shouldn't this breeder be responsible for this male????? Thanks to all who care to help. yorkEluv

03-05-2006, 05:51 AM	#5
troubletb Love my Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: New Port Richey, Florida Posts: 2,339	First, whether possible or not, don't ever try to breed a male with only one testicle! Two, you thought this woman was a friend?? And you bought a puppy from her that had fleas, worms, and ear mites?? I'm thinking that you really didn't know this woman that well. As far as filing a lawsuit, Do you have proof anywhere that you were planning on using this boy for breeding?? How about a health issue?? Do you have a contract of sale? Something saying the dog is healthy?? If you do, you might be able to win, because a dog with onnly one testicle should be fixed as it could develop cancer later on. I'm not picking on you and the Lord knows I have made many mistakes myself, but breeding Yorkshire Terriers, or any dog for that matter is not an easy task, we must first be fully knowledgable, know what we are looking to achieve, and then go after if, money not be a opinion~ When I lookied for my male it took me at least 8 months, if not longer to find him and then I had to travel to pick him up. __________________ Karen~ Bell, Lilly and Peter's Mom Rest in Peace <3

03-05-2006, 10:33 AM	#7
bugaboosmom Luv My Bug! Donating Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: california Posts: 1,573	This might not be able to help your situtation but do you have Puppy Lemon Laws in your state? If you do, research it. And inform this "person" about it. __________________ TARMAR'S YORKIES

03-05-2006, 05:44 PM	#10
txshopper73 Donating YT 14K Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 14,226 Blog Entries: 1	When they have zero testicles, it's called cryptorchid. One testicle is Monorchid. I'm sorry to hear that you didn't have a contract. You're best bet is to have him neutered and either rehome him or keep his as a pet. Retained testicles become cancerous. It's a shame that you've had to deal with the likes of her. A dear breeder/friend of mine is dealing with this and it's the first time to ever happen to her and she's got 3 pups that are monorchid from the same stud. He's never produced pups like this but they all come from him. Anyway, you may just have to cut your losses on this little male and like I said, neuter him. Just because it is possible to produce pups with a monorchid doesn't mean that they should be bred. It's a hereditary defect and people will respond to you as you have this breeder. __________________ As always...JMO (Just My Opinion) Kimberley

03-05-2006, 12:04 AM	#2
chechinmipo No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: California Posts: 2,260	Unless it was stated in a contract that this puppy was purchased for breeding I think there is much to be done. Now if she is being smart and not will to exchange, I really don't know what to say cause this would make me mad.

03-05-2006, 05:37 AM	#4
diva pup BANNED! Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,139	After living with this dog for however long you are willing to give him back to a woman that sold him to you with worms, mites and filthy? I just cannot wrap my mind around this. An undescended testicle can cause all kinds of other problems, you should have him neutered and soon.

03-05-2006, 06:27 AM	#6
yorkEluv Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 12	First let me state I'm very new at this and I know I have a lot to learn. The little male is well taken care of and all 4 of my yorkies live as family in our home. It sounds like I'm a whiner and maybe I am, but the situation never ends with this person. This "person" is also advertising her puppies using pictures of my dogs on a puppy website. When I called her on it and requested them removed. She promised to sell this male on the site for me. I know for a fact that if she were to get this male back he would be sold. There is nothing in her house that isn't breedable, or cranking out puppies. I would be more than happy to neuter and place this male in a loving home. BUT I think this "person" needs to be accountable for their actions. If she does this to her "Friends" what is she doing to others. Money or another dog is no longer the answer. If action isn't taken this will only continue. As we know hind site is 20/20.

03-05-2006, 10:42 AM	#8
speck103 Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 255	Who is this "person" and what is the website, so we could all beware?

03-05-2006, 10:47 AM	#9
yorkEluv Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 12	I'm not sure about the puppy lemon law or where to even look. I check on it asap. Thanks

03-06-2006, 04:41 PM	#11
dinkydawgs BANNED! Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: USA Posts: 14	How old is this puppy because testicles can still come down as a puppy matures? It is not uncommon for the testicle to descend later. I think it is a little early to consider neutering especially if you are considering returning the dog. Good luck in reaching a resolution.