Brokers vs. Breeders

[YorkieRose]

I forgot......Amy Tan did not use a broker..she bought Frankie from Lisa Farmer in person, they are well accquainted. Amy Tan attended many dog shows for years as a spectator and getting to know the actual breeders, then she bought her show male.

[LaviniaHyacynth]

Hey Pat...Elizabeth, the broker in this case, breeds Maltese and Chinese Crested. Not to each other...She has few litters in her home and follows all the strict guidelines put forth by the breeder's on YT...I assure you of this, I have been in her home and seen them. She has a network of dog breeder's that she personally picks and interviews which is why she has such an amazing health guarentee , she stands behind her puppies..for general and genetic health.Usually the puppies go straight from their Mom's to their new families. The puppies are not handed over by litter...they are with their mommies until it is time for them to go....12 to 15 weeks on average.The broker just takes the time to interview and find the puppies good homes...I filled out an application, answered tons of questions regarding my home, lifestyle, children's ages, other pets....all the things that all of you do...Elizabeth is such an animal lover, her own dogs are well socialized in her home...Vivi is a great dog and I plan on certifying her as a therapy dog.she puts a smile on everyone that meets her. I do not know the answer to why a breeder would want to do this...why don't you ask one of them?...Elizabeth does run a business but she does it with care for her dogs that she places...she gives out her beeper to all of the new owners and is available 24/7 and that is for the life of your dog...she also gives all the info on the breeder so that you can talk directly with them and see the parents. I know there are some unscrupulous brokers and breeders out there but she is not one of them.

[bigdog]

Personally I would never buy a puppy from a broker. I want to see both parents and want my pups socialized with both people and mama dog. I raise mine in the house with me. They sleep in their crates and wake up , go outside to potty and then i gate them in my kitchen with pee pads. It works out great for me, mama dog, and the babies. She gets to teach them and play with them and I get to spoil them. It is a lot of work and time comsuming, but I get rewards with their little sweet kisses. Then I know what kind of people are getting my babies. No brokers because after i go through all that with my little ones i want to make sure they are going to be taken proper care of and have lots of love. Thats just me and my opinion. Not bashing anyone.My babies are usually on their way to being potty trained by the time they go to their new mommies and daddy's. I think this would make a better all around puppy than one that is born in a kennel and sold to another kennel then finally sold to someone that may or may not be good with dogs or even know how to care for them. Sorry for the long reply. Just my opinion.

[LaviniaHyacynth]

I really hope that those of you that are so angry about brokers will at least try to see where I am coming from..I am trying not to take this personally because rationally I know it has nothing to do with me...but my heart is involved and we all know how irrational that can make you. I am grateful everyday for Divapup and Elizabeth Mandarino. If I had not found them then I would not have my precious dog. I sit here and write this with Vivi curled up by my side and the thought of that brings tears to my eyes.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by LaviniaHyacynth

I really hope that those of you that are so angry about brokers will at least try to see where I am coming from..I am trying not to take this personally because rationally I know it has nothing to do with me...but my heart is involved and we all know how irrational that can make you. I am grateful everyday for Divapup and Elizabeth Mandarino. If I had not found them then I would not have my precious dog. I sit here and write this with Vivi curled up by my side and the thought of that brings tears to my eyes.

Awww...please don't let it get to you! I can say I have met bad brokers, but until I meet each individual one, including DivaPup who I know NOTHING about, I can't say they are all bad.
I know there are alot of bad, dishonest CKC breeders that lie out there. But you know, I have CKC reg dogs and don't consider myself one of them. I know what it is like to get thrown in a group of (mostly) bad people and have assumptions made about you. If you love your baby...that is ALL that matters.

[LaviniaHyacynth]

Originally Posted by bigdog

Personally I would never buy a puppy from a broker. I want to see both parents and want my pups socialized with both people and mama dog. I raise mine in the house with me. They sleep in their crates and wake up , go outside to potty and then i gate them in my kitchen with pee pads. It works out great for me, mama dog, and the babies. She gets to teach them and play with them and I get to spoil them. It is a lot of work and time comsuming, but I get rewards with their little sweet kisses. Then I know what kind of people are getting my babies. No brokers because after i go through all that with my little ones i want to make sure they are going to be taken proper care of and have lots of love. Thats just me and my opinion. Not bashing anyone.My babies are usually on their way to being potty trained by the time they go to their new mommies and daddy's. I think this would make a better all around puppy than one that is born in a kennel and sold to another kennel then finally sold to someone that may or may not be good with dogs or even know how to care for them. Sorry for the long reply. Just my opinion.

I know that this is your opinion but did you read anything that I have written? These dogs are not shipped from kennel to kennel they are shipped from breeder to new owner. Vivi was completely peepee pad trained when I received her. I honestly don't see how how she could be a better puppy.

[LaviniaHyacynth]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Awww...please don't let it get to you! I can say I have met bad brokers, but until I meet each individual one, including DivaPup who I know NOTHING about, I can't say they are all bad.
I know there are alot of bad, dishonest CKC breeders that lie out there. But you know, I have CKC reg dogs and don't consider myself one of them. I know what it is like to get thrown in a group of (mostly) bad people and have assumptions made about you. If you love your baby...that is ALL that matters.

Thanks...I really needed that

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Awww...please don't let it get to you! I can say I have met bad brokers, but until I meet each individual one, including DivaPup who I know NOTHING about, I can't say they are all bad.

Hmmm...reading this again...this didn't sound like I meant it to.

DivaPup~ I was not calling you a bad person, I was actually trying to state that there are bad brokers-but I know nothing about you and therefor cannot include you in that group to my knowledge. I think I made it sound exactly the opposite of how it was meant. I just saw your name earlier and wanted to make sure that my statement wasn't about you.

[YorkieRini]

Originally Posted by LaviniaHyacynth

I really hope that those of you that are so angry about brokers will at least try to see where I am coming from..I am trying not to take this personally because rationally I know it has nothing to do with me...but my heart is involved and we all know how irrational that can make you. I am grateful everyday for Divapup and Elizabeth Mandarino. If I had not found them then I would not have my precious dog. I sit here and write this with Vivi curled up by my side and the thought of that brings tears to my eyes.

Kathryn,

Your description of Elizabeth is not the same as mine for a Broker. So I don't lump her into the same pile. Don't you feel bad for one minute. Puppymills are in the same shady category as are unethical breeders. The work 'broker' is ugly and IMO not appropriate when placing puppies. But looking beyond the word.
Before this post I would have said all brokers are bad, but if Elizabeth's considered a broker, then I'd have to say 'depends'. I still don't like how the entire adoption is handled and the costs involved. But she may not like what I do. 99.9% of people that operate the way Divapup does are they typical stereotype unfortunately.

[LaviniaHyacynth]

Thank Irene..I am going to bow out gracefully from this thread and go and look at new YT puppy pictures...can you tell I am procrastinating in my studio today? LOL I need to get back to work. Oh well

[luvdorkyyorkies]

There is a word for categorizing all people into the same definition..stereotyping......or one word you may be more familair with is prejudice. You can not fairly lump all people into YOUR same definition.
Saying "All people are THIS" is your own perception.
These are the kinds of "quotes" that are said daily here that make people upset and leave. Be respectful.
Posters try to be less intense on your own agenta and care about others..

[diva pup]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Hmmm...reading this again...this didn't sound like I meant it to.

DivaPup~ I was not calling you a bad person, I was actually trying to state that there are bad brokers-but I know nothing about you and therefor cannot include you in that group to my knowledge. I think I made it sound exactly the opposite of how it was meant. I just saw your name earlier and wanted to make sure that my statement wasn't about you.

That is my name on this forum, I am not Divapup the broker/breeder. I certainly can see where you got confused LOL.
And I am not predjudiced about anyone I just do not see a caring breeder having no say in where their pups go. I would not even leave asking questions and getting information about my animals to my HUSBAND not to mention someone who is doing it for a commission or a fee. For every one happy ending there are 100 not so happy. Research puppy brokers on the net, the information is out there if you want it.

This has nothing to do with how sweet and perfect your dog is. Everyones dogs are,wherever they came from. Most of us love our dogs unconditionally.
The original question was about brokers in general, not a particular one and I sure would not suggest to a new member that is the way to go, thats all. I apologize for being abrasive in my first post but sometimes things hit me wrong and I type before I think.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by diva pup

That is my name on this forum, I am not Divapup the broker/breeder. I certainly can see where you got confused LOL.

Oops...sorry!

[YorkieRose]

Kathryn, can the new owner contact the breeder about their puppy?
If I was going to be a broker, one big downside would be the need to learn everything about each breed so I could relay correct information about that breed, give advise about how to groom and care for that particular breed. I know I have been accused of being a "Yorkie snob"..but seriously I never ran into the same things with Doxie pups as Yorkie pups...it is all I can do to learn ONE breed. LOL

Your broker sounds like a very caring person...and forgive me for sounding like a broken record, but I will forever fault the breeder, not the broker.

Stop for a minute and look at your Yorkie baby..would you allow me to take it and find a new home for it..I promise to find a wonderful home and give you a good price for it..but you will never see it again or know where it is, know if it is well and happy...I have asked many breeders who sell to brokers why and posted it in an earlier post... being a breeder, I am very hard on breeders and I think it is our responsiblity to keep one another in check...we have the right to call our own kind to a higher standard. JMO...plus, the breeder is responsible for the puppy they produce for the entire life of the dog should it become homeless. What happens to a "broker bought" dog if the new owner can not keep it, dies, ill etc..is it returned to the breeder..? Please do not feel attacked..the broker is NOT the problem.
Best wishes

[PlatinumYorkies]

Originally Posted by fl24019

There are good brokers and agents. Do you think Bill Cosby or Amy Tan shopped for their show dogs on the internet? No, they know someone in the dog world who knows who's breeding what and they get a fee for finding a puppy that will take them to the top.

I'm sorry, but the labels and blanket condemnation I see here are SO frustrating.

There is a difference between someone who goes out and buy's a pup for the fraction of the price, and someone who is hired by a person for a lot of $$$ to find them a pup so thry can go purchase it. I am also sure Mr. Cosby had the common sense not to buy his pup from someone who does the former.