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BamaFan121s · 02-09-2006, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by reneernc

I seem to always miss the yelling! Who yelled, what am I missing out on? Did someone's post get deleted again before I got the chance to read it....seems I am always missing out!

Mmmm, nope, all the post are still here. You ain't missed nothing. I'm thinking it was a misunderstanding...I hope...

yorkiegirl2 · 02-09-2006, 10:10 PM

Yes... but the questions she asked
#1 My question is, how long should we wait until we get the baby teeth out?

#2How would we know Teddy is ready to breed. Our trainer says he probably will be shooting blanks until about 8 months...which is where he is at right now.

I don't see anywhere where she ask anyone opinion about if its Ok to breed her dog..because she already stated she wanted to breed him.
She just want to know when he would be ready. If she had asked Should I breed my dog? Then pointing her to that thread would have been appropriate.

BamaFan121s · 02-09-2006, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2

Yes... but the questions she asked
#1 My question is, how long should we wait until we get the baby teeth out?

#2How would we know Teddy is ready to breed. Our trainer says he probably will be shooting blanks until about 8 months...which is where he is at right now.

I don't see anywhere where she ask anyone opinion about if its Ok to breed her dog..because she already stated she wanted to breed him.
She just want to know when he would be ready. If she had asked Should I breed my dog? Then pointing her to that thread would have been appropriate.

OK...whatever. I only commented to try to assure her that no one was jumping down her throat, at least not from what I saw, and that there WAS good info on that thread. I didn't comment to get involved in an argument, which, ironically, I've been accused of starting lately...wow, isn't that funny?
I am sorry if anything I said on this thread offended YOU, I was just trying to keep the peace.

But apparently, that has put me as being the "bad guy" again.

Anyway, let's just squash it before it gets started and the whole board joins in, shall we?

yorkiegirl2 · 02-09-2006, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

OK...whatever. I only commented to try to assure her that no one was jumping down her throat, at least not from what I saw, and that there WAS good info on that thread. I didn't comment to get involved in an argument, which, ironically, I've been accused of starting lately...wow, isn't that funny?
I am sorry if anything I said on this thread offended YOU, I was just trying to keep the peace.

But apparently, that has put me as being the "bad guy" again.

Anyway, let's just squash it before it gets started and the whole board joins in, shall we?

OH..((((BamaFan)))..I know what you are saying..But you have to admit alot of post lately are making people feel they are not smart enough to breed or have no business breeding...We all had to start somewhere Right....

PlatinumYorkies · 02-09-2006, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2

OH..((((BamaFan)))..I know what you are saying..But you have to admit alot of post lately are making people feel they are not smart enough to breed or have no business breeding...We all had to start somewhere Right....

In all honesty no we all don't need to become breeder's; I know I don't need to

. Some of us aren't cut out to breed. It is an easy THOUGHT, of putting two dogs together and letting nature take it's course. However, it is another thing to research, get a mentor, study, know all the test you need to get on your dog, find a stud, or an owner who will let your stud prove himself on her bitch, and that's not even half of it. Breeding is hard work. And this is from all the stuff I found out lookinf for a reputable breeder....JMHO

mcsyzzerz · 02-09-2006, 10:48 PM

I dont think she had a problem with the link that Txshopper73 showed her.

The problem was right out of the box to her questions was " This is really not the best reason to breed your dog.......

I have to say i would have been a little p___ to.

Just my opinion.

BamaFan121s · 02-09-2006, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2

OH..((((BamaFan)))..I know what you are saying..But you have to admit alot of post lately are making people feel they are not smart enough to breed or have no business breeding...We all had to start somewhere Right....

Trust me, I know. I consider myself very new at it too. I know I sure don't have all the answers. I think (and I don't mean this poster, just in general) that when some come on here and talk about how they are going to breed and others who have put YEARS into what they do and know SO much read things that are basic compared to what they've seen and it's something they feel everyone should be knowledgable about, it is frustrating. Especially when it seems to come up over and over and over. Like when someone says, "I think my dog is pregnant, what do I do?" Arrrrrrrg! You want to say, "you find this out BEFORE you let it happen!"
I think too many are on edge. I have seen a "group" referred to here before, and I can only assume I am part of this "group." (you know us, drink the Yorkie blood, dance around the Boom-Boom tree...which is NOT a private joke, BTW...it was quite public the first time it was mentioned) I always seem to be in the middle of the controversy. Why? Because if I feel strongly about something, I am not one to keep my mouth shut. Trust me, this gets me in trouble more than just on here! I think that if everyone can remember that everyone here has what THEY FEEL is the best in mind for this little furballs, we just don't all agree. I just know it is hard to sit by and watch others come and ask for advice on a breeder they're considering or on what they plan to do, and then when they get advice, they get mad and upset and threaten to leave. Then others feel like they have to come in and defend them, which makes one side madder, and blah blah blah. Silly, really isn't it?

OK, well, sorry I took over this thread for a minute, but it HAD to be said.

Anyway, to the Original Poster, good luck w/ your problem. I lucked out--no retained teeth here. Looks to me like you pretty much are already well aware of your options. You just have to figure out which is the most important to YOU and go from there. And please, those you've gotten advice from are very good and very experienced at what they do. Please look over the info they've forwarded you...it's not going to hurt, just teach you even more since you are obviously still learning. Remember, YOU decide whether or not to take the advice or not--that is what you should focus on.

BamaFan121s · 02-09-2006, 11:05 PM

Hmmm, don't know, don't care, I'll say this, then I'm moving on.
It's funny, when the thread she was referred to was originally posted. Everyone thought it was great, agreed with it, wanted it made into a sticky, etc etc. The poster was referred to it, whether she takes the advice or not, no matter. But what Slyvan said was a point addressed in this saaaaame thread that everyone was cheering about earlier.
(Makes you wonder, was it the comment itself, or the person it was coming from? Cause we all, MYSELF INCLUDED, have been way to quick to snap on people lately because of who they are rather than what they say.)
This sucker got ugly quick. There are legit concerns here. Let's get back to those. I am not going to worry about whether she is right, wrong, sleeping, dancing, eating peanut butter...don't really care. This person, like everyone else here, can take in information, but in the end, will have to make their own choices.
On that note, good luck, good night, it's 1:00, I'm going to bed.

YorkieShadow · 02-09-2006, 11:10 PM

It seems this has been going on a lot any more. One person will ask one thing and some one will come back with some thing that was not asked.

waistfull · 02-10-2006, 03:28 AM

Unfortunately, when I saw the title I figured this may be "one of those threads" like if they had posted the word "teacup". After reading the moderators post, I think we need to help each other more. I am not a breeder and don't plan on being one, but we all have to start somewhere.

red98vett · 02-10-2006, 06:18 AM

Wow...I didn't see anyone saying anything rude here

and there are lots of things to consider when thinking of breeding or getting surgery.

There are many threads in this section that can give you an idea what to expect...

Many vets charge different prices for teeth being pulled so you may want to check around....The 2 vets I use had a pretty big difference in price...

I don't breed... but if I had a male I wanted to breed... I would want to know everything up front so I would know just what to expect and possibly costs involved.....there is a big difference in an altered male and an unaltered male.

I would talk to your vet about when the time is that he can be bred....a trainer may not have the answers you need.

Good luck -

Sugar's Mom · 02-10-2006, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2

OH..((((BamaFan)))..I know what you are saying..But you have to admit alot of post lately are making people feel they are not smart enough to breed or have no business breeding...We all had to start somewhere Right....

Thank you very much!!!!! As a future breeder, this is exactly how I have been made to feel by a handful of people. Most of the time people are really nice but there is a handful that seem to have something negative to say to every new breeder that comes on and God forbid that anyone would want to breed a female under five pounds.

feminvstr · 02-10-2006, 07:43 AM

The op asked "when to questions" without knowing at minimum breed growth stages and what to expect. IMHO these are basic questions and should have been carefully researched before even deciding whether her stud was a good canidate for breeding. This leads one to assume that the op has no knowledge of the breed let along the standard. If her intentions were honorable she clearly states she is breeding because she wants a puppy and money is a concern when caring for the needs of this puppy stud.

this is clearly not a reason to breed!

this is from the ASPCA "should I breed my dog"
“We want to keep a puppy.”

It’s far cheaper and easier to buy a new puppy than to breed one yourself!

"All our friends want one.”

Almost everyone who saw your dog as a pup will tell you they want one “someday”. That someday is seldom when your puppies are ready for their new homes! You’ll be amazed at how many people suddenly don’t have time for a pup right now or aren’t willing to pay your price. Don’t count on vague promises!

Placing puppies in good homes is easier said than done. Not everyone should own a dog and bad owners aren’t always easy to sort from the good ones. You have to be a good judge of character and willing to spend time getting to know people before you sell them a puppy. Do they have the experience to raise and train your puppy and if not, are you willing to teach them? Is this the BEST possible home for this particular puppy? Do you know how to evaluate puppy potential to match the right dog with the right person? Will you be willing to hang on to each pup untill just the right home comes along?

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30556

Maiflower · 02-10-2006, 07:59 AM

Thank you to everyone who sees where I am coming from. I did not come on here to be lectured on WHY I should breed my dog. I already STATED that I wanted to breed my dog so that I can have a puppy.I know fully well how much money it will cost to have a yorkie but was wondering what the recommended timeline on when to get certain surgeries done. I was APPROACHED by a show dog breeder through a friend of mine. She said she would love to have our dog breed with her dog and that we can have a puppy if there's more than 1 pup or monetary compensation. She told us that our dog should be ready in about 8 months but would have to wait until her dog was in heat. I only asked when to get the teeth and the neurtering done. NOT WHY or IF I should even breed my dog. I agree with Sherry....we all have to learn somewhere and if someone is attacking me and lecturing me, it makes me very upset. Let me ask this question to the breeders out there. How was your first time around starting out?? I'm sure you didn't have all the answers and were frustrated at others who were telling you why or why you shouldn't do certain things. Again, I only ask 2 questions like SHerry said 1. Timeline on when to take baby teeth out 2.When is a dog ready to breed i.e at what age they don't shoot blanks. I didn't ask for any opinions on WHY I should breed. I will stay on YT because there are A LOT of nice people on here and I have learned a lot. Thank you especially to "Yorkiegirl2" and to all the new breeders and member of YT for seeing my side of things and being supportive. I'm sure with an experience show breeder that I will be working with, SHE will HELP ME with the breeding process.

feminvstr · 02-10-2006, 08:06 AM

may I ask then why you didnt consult her? If its true a show breeder is interested in this dog they would have first explained how important the teeth removal is so it doesnt misaline the bite and second you dont breed a dog once and then neuter him unless there are other motives such as "I wanna puppy for free." A show breeder would NOT recommend "breed once." What kind of reputable show breeder would contact a pet owner for breeding anyway? a bit confused here!

02-09-2006, 10:48 PM	#21
mcsyzzerz Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: missouri Posts: 249	My two cents!! I dont think she had a problem with the link that Txshopper73 showed her. The problem was right out of the box to her questions was " This is really not the best reason to breed your dog....... I have to say i would have been a little p___ to. Just my opinion. __________________ Owned By Four Yorkies...Chloe,Sketter,Zoie,Cowboy

02-10-2006, 03:28 AM	#25
waistfull Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,861	"When to breed??" I knew this would start problems with the title Unfortunately, when I saw the title I figured this may be "one of those threads" like if they had posted the word "teacup". After reading the moderators post, I think we need to help each other more. I am not a breeder and don't plan on being one, but we all have to start somewhere.

02-10-2006, 06:18 AM	#26
red98vett Yorkie Kisses are the Best! Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Houston TX Posts: 33,590 Blog Entries: 1	Wow...I didn't see anyone saying anything rude here and there are lots of things to consider when thinking of breeding or getting surgery. There are many threads in this section that can give you an idea what to expect... Many vets charge different prices for teeth being pulled so you may want to check around....The 2 vets I use had a pretty big difference in price... I don't breed... but if I had a male I wanted to breed... I would want to know everything up front so I would know just what to expect and possibly costs involved.....there is a big difference in an altered male and an unaltered male. I would talk to your vet about when the time is that he can be bred....a trainer may not have the answers you need. Good luck - __________________ Villette, Chanel & Cheri www.DesignsByVillette.net Custom Address Labels and Note Cards using YOUR Photos! Just Click HERE!

02-10-2006, 07:43 AM	#28
feminvstr Donating YT 4000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Portland Oregon Posts: 4,405	The op asked "when to questions" without knowing at minimum breed growth stages and what to expect. IMHO these are basic questions and should have been carefully researched before even deciding whether her stud was a good canidate for breeding. This leads one to assume that the op has no knowledge of the breed let along the standard. If her intentions were honorable she clearly states she is breeding because she wants a puppy and money is a concern when caring for the needs of this puppy stud. this is clearly not a reason to breed! this is from the ASPCA "should I breed my dog" “We want to keep a puppy.” It’s far cheaper and easier to buy a new puppy than to breed one yourself! "All our friends want one.” Almost everyone who saw your dog as a pup will tell you they want one “someday”. That someday is seldom when your puppies are ready for their new homes! You’ll be amazed at how many people suddenly don’t have time for a pup right now or aren’t willing to pay your price. Don’t count on vague promises! Placing puppies in good homes is easier said than done. Not everyone should own a dog and bad owners aren’t always easy to sort from the good ones. You have to be a good judge of character and willing to spend time getting to know people before you sell them a puppy. Do they have the experience to raise and train your puppy and if not, are you willing to teach them? Is this the BEST possible home for this particular puppy? Do you know how to evaluate puppy potential to match the right dog with the right person? Will you be willing to hang on to each pup untill just the right home comes along? http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30556 __________________ Kimberly

02-10-2006, 08:06 AM	#30
feminvstr Donating YT 4000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Portland Oregon Posts: 4,405	may I ask then why you didnt consult her? If its true a show breeder is interested in this dog they would have first explained how important the teeth removal is so it doesnt misaline the bite and second you dont breed a dog once and then neuter him unless there are other motives such as "I wanna puppy for free." A show breeder would NOT recommend "breed once." What kind of reputable show breeder would contact a pet owner for breeding anyway? a bit confused here! __________________ Kimberly

02-09-2006, 10:10 PM	#17
yorkiegirl2 YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Missouri Posts: 2,394	Yes... but the questions she asked #1 My question is, how long should we wait until we get the baby teeth out? #2How would we know Teddy is ready to breed. Our trainer says he probably will be shooting blanks until about 8 months...which is where he is at right now. I don't see anywhere where she ask anyone opinion about if its Ok to breed her dog..because she already stated she wanted to breed him. She just want to know when he would be ready. If she had asked Should I breed my dog? Then pointing her to that thread would have been appropriate.

02-09-2006, 11:05 PM	#23
BamaFan121s Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Alabama Posts: 11,432	Hmmm, don't know, don't care, I'll say this, then I'm moving on. It's funny, when the thread she was referred to was originally posted. Everyone thought it was great, agreed with it, wanted it made into a sticky, etc etc. The poster was referred to it, whether she takes the advice or not, no matter. But what Slyvan said was a point addressed in this saaaaame thread that everyone was cheering about earlier. (Makes you wonder, was it the comment itself, or the person it was coming from? Cause we all, MYSELF INCLUDED, have been way to quick to snap on people lately because of who they are rather than what they say.) This sucker got ugly quick. There are legit concerns here. Let's get back to those. I am not going to worry about whether she is right, wrong, sleeping, dancing, eating peanut butter...don't really care. This person, like everyone else here, can take in information, but in the end, will have to make their own choices. On that note, good luck, good night, it's 1:00, I'm going to bed.

02-09-2006, 11:10 PM	#24
YorkieShadow BANNED! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: USA Posts: 9,999	It seems this has been going on a lot any more. One person will ask one thing and some one will come back with some thing that was not asked.

02-10-2006, 07:59 AM	#29
Maiflower BANNED! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: San Diego Posts: 48	Thank you to everyone who sees where I am coming from. I did not come on here to be lectured on WHY I should breed my dog. I already STATED that I wanted to breed my dog so that I can have a puppy.I know fully well how much money it will cost to have a yorkie but was wondering what the recommended timeline on when to get certain surgeries done. I was APPROACHED by a show dog breeder through a friend of mine. She said she would love to have our dog breed with her dog and that we can have a puppy if there's more than 1 pup or monetary compensation. She told us that our dog should be ready in about 8 months but would have to wait until her dog was in heat. I only asked when to get the teeth and the neurtering done. NOT WHY or IF I should even breed my dog. I agree with Sherry....we all have to learn somewhere and if someone is attacking me and lecturing me, it makes me very upset. Let me ask this question to the breeders out there. How was your first time around starting out?? I'm sure you didn't have all the answers and were frustrated at others who were telling you why or why you shouldn't do certain things. Again, I only ask 2 questions like SHerry said 1. Timeline on when to take baby teeth out 2.When is a dog ready to breed i.e at what age they don't shoot blanks. I didn't ask for any opinions on WHY I should breed. I will stay on YT because there are A LOT of nice people on here and I have learned a lot. Thank you especially to "Yorkiegirl2" and to all the new breeders and member of YT for seeing my side of things and being supportive. I'm sure with an experience show breeder that I will be working with, SHE will HELP ME with the breeding process.