Mentoring Contract

[jakeepaper]

I bought my first breeding female on a mentoring contract. My dog (co owned wth my mentor) took her kennel name, used one of her line for stud and she was entitled to one puppy back from the first litter. As it turned out, we hooked up together and she does the showing and I do the breeding. But it is a wonderful way for a newbie to learn the art of breeding and showing quality show dogs. I would have hated to get into all this any other way!

[shyorkies]

Originally Posted by BabyFidgette

Makes sense! As I stated in a response above...I guess I just don't understand why having a "substandard" dog is so bad. Hey, my uncle has a mutt (they don't even know what he is). He is the BEST most well behaved dog. If he wasn't fixed, and I wanted to go through with the whole breeding process (which I don't) I would have no problem breeding him with Baby to try to get another dog like Psilo. Ok, breeders...you're time to cringe. I want to find the best pet, not the best show dog.

I honestly see both sides to this topic.. I personally do NOt believe that every breeder should just be a show breeder.. I can honestly say that I have seen some yorkies from people that are just strictly breeders and some of them have just as nice quality and sometimes better quality than what I see in the rings! I can honestly say that I did not run into any genetic problems until I started getting into the nicer line dogs..

When I place one of my puppies I want them to be in a loving home rather if they are on limited or unlimited registration.. I do believe that NO dog should have to live it's life in a plastic or wire crate and never be given love.. If I ever found one of my puppies living in a environment of NO human contact, no love and being feed by a free feeder 365 days a year, god help that person! But if you are a reputable breeder you never place a pet puppy in a bad situation let alone a dog on full registration.. I like to sleep at night and I would not be able to if I placed my dogs with anyone (not knowing what kind of person they are) and gave them full registration on top of that..

[shyorkies]

Originally Posted by YorkieRini

When acquiring my foundation of Yorkies I learned a lot. I learned that a sound Yorkie is hard to find. I had bought several Yorkies early on that were to be used in my breeding program. I bought from places that would sell to me without questions because I too didn't want restrictions. I didn't know wthat the big deal was either. Well, I bought a female that had grade 3 LP in both knees at 12wks. I was sent this puppy even though I send a checklist, an long letter, and a phone call to make sure she knew I wanted sound knees. I was clearly lied to. Well I was offered a replacement puppy that ended up being younger than what she told me. I lost that puppy due to hypoglycemia and my ignorace at the time. Oh but don't forget. I had to pay to ship the first puppy back. and then I had to pay more for the second puppy because it was 'nicer'. Dealign with that breeder alone I spent $3000 and ended up with no puppy. can you say OUCH!!..Ok..I didn't bad mouth the breeder because I knew what I was getting into replacements and all and hypo was not covered in the contract..I just moved on to anohter breeder and cut my losses. The next female I bought from another breeder had grade 1 and 2 LP this puppy was an import. I lost my mind and forgot to ask about LP..tehre was a language barrier which made things hard and the breeder was a shwo breeder..didn't think I had to even ask. Took her to my vet to be evaluated. found out the knees. Told the breeder..she offerer to exchange her but I had to pay for the return shipping which would have csot me an extra $500. on top of the $2500 I paid for her. Besides, I couldnt' send her back...too far of a flight by herself, she came with a friend. So again, I won't mention this breeder either. She kept her end of the bargin and offered to make the situation right. I prefered to spay her, have her teeth cleaned, and sell her as a pet for $1000. After my expereinces with LP I am so ANAL, it is my mission to produce Yorkies w/out LP in hope to soemoen freeing my lines of them. It's sick how frequent this defect is. So not fair..So when I say protect my lines that's what I'm referring too..I want to protect my sound lines or the sound lines I'm working to continue.

Aside from the money I lost from those mistakes. I had to deal with my son crying everytime I had to send one back and when the little one passed on. It's been a hard road to get to were I am and I've only traveled it for about 4 years. I can't imagine what the future holds. But by golly, I won't forget what i've been through thus far and I won't contribute to it either.

Dang! I had a 20oz cappichino..can you guys tell...lolol..

Amen Irene and I could not have said it better!

By the way are you sure you only had one cappichino!!

[shyorkies]

Originally Posted by jakeepaper

I bought my first breeding female on a mentoring contract. My dog (co owned wth my mentor) took her kennel name, used one of her line for stud and she was entitled to one puppy back from the first litter. As it turned out, we hooked up together and she does the showing and I do the breeding. But it is a wonderful way for a newbie to learn the art of breeding and showing quality show dogs. I would have hated to get into all this any other way!

You are very lucky to have had someone to mentor and help you along the way.. It would be a perfect world if we all had that!

[YorkieRini]

[QUOTE=YorkieRini]When acquiring my foundation of Yorkies I learned a lot. I learned that a sound Yorkie is hard to find. I had bought several Yorkies early QUOTE]

I continued this on it's own thread in teh breeders section..sorry for getting way off topic Melanie! This is a good thread to keep focused.

[YorkieRini]

Originally Posted by shyorkies

Amen Irene and I could not have said it better!

By the way are you sure you only had one cappichino!!

Haha..not convinced?

I've told you all this before in private..not tired of hearing about it yet?..lolol

You're one of the few I've known for a while and feel that we have the same desires when it comes to breeding

[CC's]

I've heard of Pet, Show/Breeding, and Co-owning contracts.

Mentoring is something done out of the kindness of a breeders heart. Its their time, experience, and work that they give freely to help someone.

[luckierdog]

I agree that mentoring is from the hearts of the breeders. No dispute there. That is one way to help keep puppymilling and dogs dying down. However, the other side to this is that the potential buyer should have the right to not agree to "newly written terms" and walk be able to walk away. The deposit should be returned. There are loads of reasons that a buyer should be able to back out. Why wouldn't a breeder who felt the potential buyer had the willingness to learn, the desire to do their best be penalized because the breeder "power trips". My discussions with the "mentor" were fine until she finally emailed me exactly what I would be signing. I read her online contract and felt it was fine (at that time the "non-refundable" pet deposit did not exist. I would have gladly gone into a separate contract with her in addition to the regular contract. I truly believe that when you give your word, that is ALL one has. I should not be FORCED or held hostage into signing a contract that I don't agree with. That is WHY I asked up front before I drove all the way to pick up my "then" puppy.

I can't believe anyone would put a deposit on ANY thing and not want it returned in "reasonable" amount of time. $500 is a lot of money to most anyone.

Mentoring is a good thing and I hope people will mentor because of this a good thing. More people need "hands on mentoring" to keep our dogs healthy and happy. Mentoring is a great deal whether it be dogs, computer help, help with children, etc. Not always should there have to be a contract.

Again, I too am entitled to my opinon. Thank you for your support in this forum and may all of you have a very healthy, happy new year.

[SoCalyorkiLvr]

I agree that mentoring is a wonderful thing that breeders can do to help others interested in breeding and I applaud those who do so out of the goodness of their hearts. I like the attitiude of shared knowledge instead of secrets and discouraging others to prevent competition.

As an attorney I am always in favor of written contracts and agreements because then everyone knows what the terms are, there are realistic expectations on all sides and everyone knows what their obligations and responsibilities are.

The contract should be executed before any money changes hands and the terms of any deposit and its refundability should be spelled out in the written contract.

Luckierdog.....I appreciate you coming on and telling us your experience. I want to welcome you to YT and tell you how much of an asset you will be as a member here.

[Gazou]

Originally Posted by BabyFidgette

I just want to say thanks for responding nicely. :-) I have another few questions (not sarcastic of course)...why is it so important for a Yorkie to be breed to another champion Yorkie, or another Yorkie for that matter? Just because a person may want to breed their puppy with a "less than desirable" Yorkie, doesn't make their puppies any less cute, etc. Who is anyone to say that a person that wants to breed their Yorkie with another breed is not going to give it a good home? I feel that if a person purchases a dog, or any other animal, he/she should have rights to do as he/she pleases. Now, at first, I wanted to get Baby pregnant and have itty bitty puppies. Then I came on here and decided HELL NO!! But just b/c I'm not a professional, doesn't mean I wouldn't give those puppies love and good homes. I hope you all understand what I'm trying to say. Remember, this is JMHO. Thanks for "listening."

And then another person will come crying about " Is my Yorkie a real one ? or Is he or she full blood ?

[michiko]

Originally Posted by shyorkies

I have "right of first refusal" in my contract also.. I two years ago found two female pups that I placed as pets for sale in a newspaper ad.. I called the owner and told her that she signed my contract and I meant everything that was in it.. I further told her that if she did not return the girls to me that I would haul her rear back here and sue here! Needless to say two days later I had the girls back in my home! And yes I did return her full purchase price to her..

I am half way down on this thread.. but this is really good thread. I was just asking about limited and full registration at other thread.. It is great to hear people's experience..

And good for you, shyorkies!! You had a right to do that !!!

[michiko]

I decided not to leave your book quote Rini!! But it was well-said.. It has given a good understanding! Thanks for sharing your opinion!!

[BabyFidgette]

Originally Posted by Gazou

And then another person will come crying about " Is my Yorkie a real one ? or Is he or she full blood ?

Then that's their own problem for not getting their dog from a reputable breeder.

[Francie]

Originally Posted by shyorkies

I honestly see both sides to this topic.. I personally do NOt believe that every breeder should just be a show breeder.. I can honestly say that I have seen some yorkies from people that are just strictly breeders and some of them have just as nice quality and sometimes better quality than what I see in the rings! I can honestly say that I did not run into any genetic problems until I started getting into the nicer line dogs..

When I place one of my puppies I want them to be in a loving home rather if they are on limited or unlimited registration.. I do believe that NO dog should have to live it's life in a plastic or wire crate and never be given love.. If I ever found one of my puppies living in a environment of NO human contact, no love and being feed by a free feeder 365 days a year, god help that person! But if you are a reputable breeder you never place a pet puppy in a bad situation let alone a dog on full registration.. I like to sleep at night and I would not be able to if I placed my dogs with anyone (not knowing what kind of person they are) and gave them full registration on top of that..

This might seem like an obvious question...but why not neuter/spay the pup before he goes to his/her new home? Seems it would avoid a whole lot of headaches...not to mention paperwork....

Francie

[SolnzeUSB]

could be age