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[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by KazzyK810

I disagree. Finding a breeder I am willing to $$$ support is not a problem. Finding a breeder I am willing to support that has a puppy at the tine I am looking for one, can be a bit more tricky. But, it's just a matter of expanding your search. In three hours i can be on the other side of the state by car. In three hours by plane, I can be on the other side of the country. I'm willing to travel to get what I want.

How you bring a pet store into the mix is beyond me...I don't follow your thinking. $$$ is power I wont buy anything at a store that sells pets, because I won't hand over a penny of my money to support such a place. I'm not one of those imbeciles that claims they dont support puppy mills but buy harnesses, toys, food and such.at a store that sells pets

Unfortunately, pets ARE property. i don't agree with it, but legally, they are. In my world you'd have to legally adopt a pet into your family just like you do a child, and be responsible for them for life. And just like with kids, if you chose to walk away and abandon your responsibilities, there are financial support consequences. You'd be obligated to support that pet for its life, your wages would be garnished, liens put on your property, and your tax refund taken. Maybe then, people would seriously stop and think before adding a pet to their family unit, instead of doing so with little thought. Maybe then people would view their pet as a living, thinking, feeling sentient being, not property to be disposed of on a whim.

Real reputable breeders are not that easy to find.

[KazzyK810]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

Real reputable breeders are not that easy to find.

As reputable means highly regarding, respected, well thought of....
it is a subjective term. What you hold in high regard and have a good opinion of, I may not, and vice versa.

When it comes to my money, your opinion means nothing.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by KazzyK810

As reputable means highly regarding, respected, well thought of....
it is a subjective term. What you hold in high regard and have a good opinion of, I may not, and vice versa.

When it comes to my money, your opinion means nothing.

Well let's say a breeder who follows the Yorkshire Terrier Club of Americas rules of ethics. I can't help but think that last sentence was very nasty! Sure you can support any old back yard breeder doing nothing good for the breed if you want because it is your money, I on the other hand prefer to only support reputable breeders who are breeding to better the breed and for the good of the breed.

[KazzyK810]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

Well let's say a breeder who follows the Yorkshire Terrier Club of Americas rules of ethics. I can't help but think that last sentence was very nasty! Sure you can support any old back yard breeder doing nothing good for the breed if you want because it is your money, I on the other hand prefer to only support reputable breeders who are breeding to better the breed and for the good of the breed.

You repeatedly draw a lot of strange conclusions from what is NOT written. Your lack of logic baffles me.
'I don't care what other people think of how I spend my money therefore I must support BYBs'. Its a completely invalid and erroneous sequence.

Please! Get off your high horse! This is not the first time I have been subjected to implications &snarky comments by you about what a horrible breeder I must have bought from.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

Well let's say a breeder who follows the Yorkshire Terrier Club of Americas rules of ethics. I can't help but think that last sentence was very nasty! Sure you can support any old back yard breeder doing nothing good for the breed if you want because it is your money, I on the other hand prefer to only support reputable breeders who are breeding to better the breed and for the good of the breed.

Even the ones who purport to follow the YTCA guidelines, often do not. I once had a breeder who was a member of the YTCA hand me her card at the dog show. It was advertising tinies. She asked me not to share it with other breeders...as IF I would share it with anyone. But..seriously??? What a jerk. There are many Taylor who talk the talk, but do NOT walk the walk.
I personally would not buy a dog from any breeder, but IF I wanted to, I can tell you there are an extremely small number of breeders I would consider and even them I am not totally sure of. Breeding can be an ugly business.

[ColesMommy01]

Originally Posted by KazzyK810

As reputable means highly regarding, respected, well thought of....
it is a subjective term. What you hold in high regard and have a good opinion of, I may not, and vice versa.

When it comes to my money, your opinion means nothing.

I like you! I really, really do!!! What one person may see as reputable others may see as not. Not everyone believes in all the guidelines of YTCA, but some do. What I may look for in a breeder the next person may see as ridiculous and expecting too much while someone else may think I'm not asking enough.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by KazzyK810

You repeatedly draw a lot of strange conclusions from what is NOT written. Your lack of logic baffles me.
'I don't care what other people think of how I spend my money therefore I must support BYBs'. Its a completely invalid and erroneous sequence.

Please! Get off your high horse! This is not the first time I have been subjected to implications &snarky comments by you about what a horrible breeder I must have bought from.

Wow guess I read that one wrong too. You did get your puppy before 12 weeks and reputable breeders don't do that but I really haven't picked on your breeder. If I did in the past it certainly was at least a year or more ago and I'm sure that you can pull up stuff from every ones past. Maybe we should try to focus on the futur. I certainly am not on a high horse and you certainly do not know what is going on in other people's lives and how nastiness can really effect someone even if it's just a little bit. You make it sound like reputable breeders are easy to find and they arn't as easy to find as you think.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by ColesMommy01

I like you! I really, really do!!! What one person may see as reputable others may see as not. Not everyone believes in all the guidelines of YTCA, but some do. What I may look for in a breeder the next person may see as ridiculous and expecting too much while someone else may think I'm not asking enough.

The general reason a reputable breeder breeds is to better the breed so if your doing that I would think you are reputable.

[KazzyK810]

Originally Posted by ColesMommy01

I like you! I really, really do!!! What one person may see as reputable others may see as not. Not everyone believes in all the guidelines of YTCA, but some do. What I may look for in a breeder the next person may see as ridiculous and expecting too much while someone else may think I'm not asking enough.

It's a pleasure to meet someone that has such exquisitely good taste!

Exactly! We all live in different homes, drive different cars, dress differently, work different jobs, raise children differently, celebrate & grieve differently, so why expect us all to seek identical things in a breeder? The perfect pup for your life, your family, your home...may not be so perfect elsewhere.

[ColesMommy01]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

The general reason a reputable breeder breeds is to better the breed so if your doing that I would think you are reputable.

But what you may think of is bettering a breed someone else could think is not. I'm going to assume you mean bettering by breeding to the YTCA standard, but there are breeders who are just as reputable to who you may consider a great breeder but may disagree with any part of the YTCA standard. For example: tail docking, parti colors, etc. You may find someone who does those things not reputable, but that would not cross them off my list of breeders I may contact.

[107barney]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

The general reason a reputable breeder breeds is to better the breed so if your doing that I would think you are reputable.

Many show breeders IMO are focused on peddling their pretties around the ring like a childhood pageant of sorts and you find out that the health of some of them isn't so great. Bettering the breed should first and foremost be about health.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by ColesMommy01

But what you may think of is bettering a breed someone else could think is not. I'm going to assume you mean bettering by breeding to the YTCA standard, but there are breeders who are just as reputable to who you may consider a great breeder but may disagree with any part of the YTCA standard. For example: tail docking, parti colors, etc. You may find someone who does those things not reputable, but that would not cross them off my list of breeders I may contact.

Honestly I'm not really sure about the Parti thing I have not done much research or reading on it. The tail docking I'm not a fan of necessarily but at this time since it is the standard so most reputable breeders are going to stick to the standard. I personaly have not come across one that dosen't doc but it dosent mean there aren't ones that don't. Some of the things that I really think need to be followed from the ytca is the health things, the not breeding a female under 5 pounds, the not letting the puppies go until at least 12 weeks and such.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by 107barney

Many show breeders IMO are focused on peddling their pretties around the ring like a childhood pageant of sorts and you find out that the health of some of them isn't so great. Bettering the breed should first and foremost be about health.

I agree. I know a lot of the standards for certain dogs are just not healthy.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by KazzyK810

You repeatedly draw a lot of strange conclusions from what is NOT written. Your lack of logic baffles me.
'I don't care what other people think of how I spend my money therefore I must support BYBs'. Its a completely invalid and erroneous sequence.

Please! Get off your high horse! This is not the first time I have been subjected to implications &snarky comments by you about what a horrible breeder I must have bought from.

I have been thinking about this post continuously and am really bothered by it. I have seriously tried to work on my posting in the last year or so and the only time I ever really remember even talking about your breeder was when the debate of what time a pup should leave it's mom and I feel pretty good that was seriously way over a year ago. What I was saying was not that your breeder was horrible. I just am saying true reputable breeders that are breeding to better the breed at very hard to find and your are making it sound like a piece of cake.

[ColesMommy01]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

I agree. I know a lot of the standards for certain dogs are just not healthy.

I have a bulldog and imo they have one of THE WORST standards ever! It basically sets them up for health issues. Health should always be the #1 concern when it comes to breeding, then temperment, then coat correctness, bite (which could go with health), etc imo.