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Old 07-22-2014, 11:10 AM   #1
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PUREBRED PET HOLOCAUST: BREEDER FREEDOM | TheDogPress.com

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PUREBRED PET HOLOCAUST


Reader reveals eBay Classifieds prejudice against hobby breeders, its alliance with HSUS, and makes a startling observation about advertising purebred dogs.


July 2014 | TheDogPress.com
Nina Garcetti (email withheld)

Dear Editor:

I have advertised my puppies (when I have had them) on eBay Classified (formally Kijiji) for years. I have a nice little stud fee puppy that I am looking for a good home for locally, so I tried listing him there.

When I searched for it (Kijiji) I couldn't find it but it looks like it is now ebay. So I attempted to list my stud fee puppy. I did so but then it was kicked off. I really didn’t want to list in the local paper so I persisted in trying to solve the mystery about why my listing was removed.

After looking around some more, I found a reference to eBay classifieds "Pet Policies". I really didn't like what I found! I've cut & pasted the link below.
http://info.ebayclassifieds.com/helpcenter/index.php?article=82

You really should read it and tell your users that it seems HSUS now is keeping a database of unapproved breeders. eBay’s policies starts by referring to federal, state, and local laws “standardized for living conditions” (is that APHIS that you write about?) and “animal interest groups” and making “unethical profiteers accountable”. Right out of the HSUS playbook. And obtaining the newly required USDA Pet Shop license gets you automatic "puppy mill status" with them.

Apparently eBay Classifieds now cross checks with the HSUS database for every ad placed for pets. Although I don't appear on their list, and I am not the breeder of the puppy, I needed to check the "breeder box" to be authorized to sell my puppy. Since I checked "owner" they rejected it!

How the HSUS has managed to convince eBay and the pet buying public that they are the only clearing house for "responsible breeders" is unfathomable. This is beyond disturbing. It's outrageous!

If you can see any way the American pet buying public will be able to buy a purebred dog in two years, please let me know.

This is The Purebred Pet Holocaust. Be very afraid!
- Nina Garcetti


Please note I have not checked out the links yet, but will do so shortly. Disturbing very very disturbing if indeed "true".

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eBay Classifieds Pet Policies

Solution Free online classified ads have made it easier for animal lovers to find their perfect pet from local households, rescue shelters, and breeders. It is important to eBay Classifieds and animal lovers that frequent the site that ethical and legal requirements covering the breeding and sale of pets are followed by our users. Millions of pets are sold yearly in the United States and profit is frequently made at the cost of an animal's comfort, health and well-being.
Federal, state and local laws have been implemented to standardize animal living conditions, prevent premature separation of newborn animals from their mothers, and encourage healthy breeding and handling practices. Animal interest groups are increasing public awareness of the crimes committed against pets and seek to make unethical profiteers accountable. Finally, pet buyers themselves have a responsibility to recognize the hallmarks of proper animal breeding, care and selling practices and decline to fuel unethical pet profiteering. (Be sure to follow the link from each pet ad to our "Responsible Pet Ownership & Adoption" guidelines provided by The Humane Society of the United States.)
It is eBay Classifieds policy to prohibit the listing of any pet ad that violates any applicable law or regulation. Any ad in the pet category that does not comply with applicable laws, including laws set forth by the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) as well as the Animal Welfare Act will be removed immediately. Anyone who has had a history of non-compliant inspections with the USDA will have their accounts suspended.
Animal welfare and protection organizations have a reliable network of databases and websites to track unethical breeders and sellers. eBay Classifieds has the right at any time, and without warning, to take appropriate action, including the removal of ads and/or suspension of selling privileges, against any user who have been reported on these databases and websites if the complaint is deemed legitimate. We will listen very closely to our community for any reports of unhealthy animals.
Therefore, by placing an ad on the site you agree that eBay Classifieds can, at any time, remove an ad at our discretion and without notification and request information on your establishment if we feel it is to help make an informed decision. This includes, but is not limited to, recent inspection of facilities, vet reference, or health certificate. Refusal to provide this information will result in an automatic closing of the account. You also understand that providing this information does not guarantee that the account will be reinstated.
All puppies and kittens being sold on our site must come with a good health certificate established by a veterinarian and up to date vaccinations. All documentation must be ready to be provided if requested. Failure to provide this information can result in removal of your ad and/or suspension of posting privileges.
In accordance with many state laws, eBay Classifieds prohibits the sale of puppies or kittens under 8 weeks old. If eBay Classifieds believes a user is selling a puppy or kitten under 8 weeks of age we reserve the right to remove the ad and suspend posting privileges. Ads asking for deposits on new litters as well as ads for upcoming litters are permitted so long as the ad clearly states that you will not be selling the animal until 8 weeks of age.
Pet stores, brokers, dealers, or any middleman are not permitted to post dog and cat ads for sale on our site. This includes selling puppies or kittens on behalf of others.
When posting a dog on our site we ask that you represent yourself honestly. To help ensure you choose the correct user type for your ad here is a breakdown of the types of posters that are permitted on our site:
Shelter: A nonprofit or not-for-profit organization that houses homeless, abandoned, recovered or unwanted animals.
Owner: A person who posts an ad for a pet he or she owns. Please note: If you have purposefully bred an animal for profit, or breed animals that reside in your home, you are NOT an owner. Please only choose owner if you are rehoming an animal you can no longer take care of.
Breeder: An individual or organization engaged in breeding and selling animals or profit.
Failure to accurately represent yourself and your user type can result in removal of your ad (with or without notice) and suspension of your account.
eBay Classifieds does not condone "bait and switch" tactics. Any report of such practices will be looked into, and, if deemed legitimate, we reserve the right to remove the ad and/or suspend posting privileges.
Please do not post for sale any animal that is on the endangered species list, Fish and Wildlife list, are wild animals, or animals that are not permitted to be owned or sold in any city in which the ad is being posted or could be considered dangerous to others.
Due to feedback from our community, we ask that you please do not post ads with photos of dogs mating on our site. Your ad will get flagged and will be removed.
We do not permit the sale and/or stud service of wolf hybrids (this does not apply to recognized animal shelters and rescues unless your state law prohibits ownership of this breed of dog).
As well, primates are not permitted on our site. By posting an ad in the pet category you are agreeing to our terms and conditions. You understand that eBay Classifieds has a right, at any time, with or without notification, to enforce these policies.
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I am sorry but I have been trying to make this prediction for at least the last 5 years, that this was coming. They are desperately trying to run small breeders completely out of business, or put them in a position of being called a "commercial breeding facility" so they can collect unimaginable high fees and fines and access to your homes and property at will, uninvited....like the gestapo, actually confiscating your dogs at will (nothing more than stealing very expensive dogs!). People that have very good lines of dogs, that are small breeders, will have to become like the puppy mills that all this stupidity was claiming to be put in force to shut down and fly under the radar or they will not survive....not registering their pups so there is no paper trail, selling pups with no advertising, like off the side of the road or from parking lots or flea markets and garage sales.....it is all coming to pass people, and it is very very scary. It clearly is not worth it for us to continue doing this, and there are many, many more that are quiting.....very sad that HSUS and PETA and ASPCA is effectively driving responsible breeders that are providing people with healthy pups, out of business.....and this is just the beginning.....they are trying to irradicate ALL breeding of animals, including our food sources......it is such a horrific idea and plan they have, that it seems like some crazy person is making this all up, like a nightmare we are going to wake up from.....we have been fighting this in all States, through breed clubs and via the State legislature and governors....but the lobbyists for PETA, HSUS, USDA (APHIS) and ASPCA have just about beaten us....so yes, get concerned and worried! It has been a long time coming!

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And here we flocking go ladies. Are you on the list the "only" responsible list maintained by Animal Welfare Organizations and Rescue associations, and bloody hell do you even know if you are, and how does one know if they are???

Ebay by default is placing the expertise and the Judgement on Animal Welfare Organizations with a reliable list??? Yeah right how is that audited, how is that policed, what congruent like policies are adopted? How do they notify breeders if they are on or off their blinking list? I am so very incensed.

Gosh darn it we need to ACT.
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This is a heartfelt plea to pet owners everywhere. Please comment to Ebay and their policies. I plan on letting AKC, UKC, and CKC know of this appalling policy, and to ask for action. And BTW CKC is the Canadian Kennel Club.

Now you have an advertisement site policing ads for dogs based on what? And really do they do this for TV;s land cars etc? Who are these organizations that have a reliable list? By whose definition. HOw does a breeder grieve or challenge if they are not on this reliable list???

This is very shocking to me and I hope to you as well.
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I am sorry but I have been trying to make this prediction for at least the last 5 years, that this was coming. They are desperately trying to run small breeders completely out of business, or put them in a position of being called a "commercial breeding facility" so they can collect unimaginable high fees and fines and access to your homes and property at will, uninvited....like the gestapo, actually confiscating your dogs at will (nothing more than stealing very expensive dogs!). People that have very good lines of dogs, that are small breeders, will have to become like the puppy mills that all this stupidity was claiming to be put in force to shut down and fly under the radar or they will not survive....not registering their pups so there is no paper trail, selling pups with no advertising, like off the side of the road or from parking lots or flea markets and garage sales.....it is all coming to pass people, and it is very very scary. It clearly is not worth it for us to continue doing this, and there are many, many more that are quiting.....very sad that HSUS and PETA and ASPCA is effectively driving responsible breeders that are providing people with healthy pups, out of business.....and this is just the beginning.....they are trying to irradicate ALL breeding of animals, including our food sources......it is such a horrific idea and plan they have, that it seems like some crazy person is making this all up, like a nightmare we are going to wake up from.....we have been fighting this in all States, through breed clubs and via the State legislature and governors....but the lobbyists for PETA, HSUS, USDA (APHIS) and ASPCA have just about beaten us....so yes, get concerned and worried! It has been a long time coming!
The animal rights people have infiltrated most everything now and I also have been warning for several years that the end of the dog fancy is near. There will likely be a few super rich people left breeding who can afford the lawyers to keep them one step ahead of a devastating raid, but the end of the working middle class person being able to take up the hobby is perilously close.
I never thought Ebay and/or Kijiji were ever a good place to find a reputable breeder anyway. Does anybody suppose they partnered up with HSUS because they thought that would make them look good?
This is a subject that upsets me horribly.
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Thank you for bringing this to our attention it is very concerning and wherre this could be taken in the future is concerning
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This is a heartfelt plea to pet owners everywhere. Please comment to Ebay and their policies. I plan on letting AKC, UKC, and CKC know of this appalling policy, and to ask for action. And BTW CKC is the Canadian Kennel Club.

Now you have an advertisement site policing ads for dogs based on what? And really do they do this for TV;s land cars etc? Who are these organizations that have a reliable list? By whose definition. HOw does a breeder grieve or challenge if they are not on this reliable list???

This is very shocking to me and I hope to you as well.
Gemy I plan to comment on ebay. Im very concerned about these groups that want to take our rights away
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It was horrifying to me when I heard what happened to Susan and then when I heard about the new Aphis regulations. Now this! This won't hurt puppy mills who seem to skirt all of the rules. I'm sorry this hurts the people who put their hearts and souls into breeding healthy, happy babies.
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A few years back these same groups tried to have a law passed in Missouri that ranchers had to have barns big enough to hold an entire herd and horses and cows if out in the sun had to, now get this, lol wear hats. My brother is a cattle rancher with over 500 head of cattle, that would be some barn!! As for the hats lol the horse would eat them, that would be real good for their digestive system. It is so sad that a few can get on their soapbox and the rest of us, myself included, have sat back and not said anything about it until in many situations it is almost to late.
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The animal rights people have infiltrated most everything now and I also have been warning for several years that the end of the dog fancy is near. There will likely be a few super rich people left breeding who can afford the lawyers to keep them one step ahead of a devastating raid, but the end of the working middle class person being able to take up the hobby is perilously close.
I never thought Ebay and/or Kijiji were ever a good place to find a reputable breeder anyway. Does anybody suppose they partnered up with HSUS because they thought that would make them look good?This is a subject that upsets me horribly.
I know AKC has said these people will not have access to their records, ie registration of number of puppies....unless they go through the legal system. These people are pouring over ANY and ALL areas where breeders are advertising their dogs....I suspect eBay and any of the others, have sided with them and are open books to HSUS, APHIS, ASPCA, etc revealing breeders that may advertise there, for $$$$ cut....while I never used that form of advertisment, I did have other sites that I purchased, at great expense, advertising. I no longer advertise, because word of mouth has been good to me and I think it will keep me busy until I close down shop completely. I am keeping some of my adorable babies that will provide me healthy companions until I die....
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They can also track you from vet records when you take puppies in for health certificates which is the law here for breeders selling puppies.
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The animal rights people have infiltrated most everything now and I also have been warning for several years that the end of the dog fancy is near. There will likely be a few super rich people left breeding who can afford the lawyers to keep them one step ahead of a devastating raid, but the end of the working middle class person being able to take up the hobby is perilously close.
I never thought Ebay and/or Kijiji were ever a good place to find a reputable breeder anyway. Does anybody suppose they partnered up with HSUS because they thought that would make them look good?
This is a subject that upsets me horribly.
It is what my small group of hobby/show breeders are also saying. We or let me speak for just me, are feeling stymied on how to proceed. We don't have endless resources to fight the government or the time to see how overall on the web or other places infringements are happening right under our "blind" eyes.
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I will not dual register my litters anymore. At least then I can have what-ever separate country protection by only registering with CKC - Canadian Kennel Club.
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I will not dual register my litters anymore. At least then I can have what-ever separate country protection by only registering with CKC - Canadian Kennel Club.
Do whatever you need to do to feel less threatened. It's sad to have to think of these things.
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