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Old 01-02-2006, 07:42 AM   #1
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I just found out that there is a person that is doing alot of inline breeding of yorkies and they don't care if there passing on livershunt problems, do you know if there is anyway of letting akc know if you only know the names of the dogs, what do I do with this information
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I don't know that AKC would do anything. Have you sent them an e-mail?
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I just found out that there is a person that is doing alot of inline breeding of yorkies and they don't care if there passing on livershunt problems, do you know if there is anyway of letting akc know if you only know the names of the dogs, what do I do with this information
It would never hut to let AKC know and let them take it from there. They may frown on the linebreeding part?
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AKC will do nothing. They promote themselves as a "registery" only. They are not the breeding police. They have no interest in the health, or quality of the dog. They only care that it is purebred dog being whelped of parents of the same breed. FYI inline or inbreeding does not cause genetic diseases even livershunt. A genetic disease cannot present itself unless the genes are already present in the sire or dam. Inbreeding will bring those diseases to the surface so responsible breeders can remove individuals from their breeding program. Test inbreeding does condense the gene pool therefore it greatly increases the chance of finding hidden genetic problems/diseases in individual breeding animals. But inbreeding should never be done by the inexperienced or faint of heart. The potential problems are greatly increased. But for some diseases like livershunt there is no other way to know if it exists in a breeding program or not. And yes I do have AKC dogs. IMO one should not put all their faith in AKC's ability or desire to solve all the problems of the dog world. It just ain't gonna happen.
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Inbreeding or line breeding?
Doesn't matter..AKC does not get involved with telling breeders how to breed. The problem is this...unless all puppies are DNA tested before selling, a person has no clue who sired or whelped what. A breeder can say xx and xx are the parents, but you only have their word for it.
Unfortanely, even breeders have unknowning accidents..in a perfect dog breeding world of my making..all dogs would be DNAed (won't stop genetic problems of course)..then all pups shoudl be DNA'ed before selling. I do not think people should be able to breed more then a certain number of litters per year, 4 to 6 sounds reasonable..that would stop all mills...but this is American and we can use and abuse animals all we want.

I will have to take the breeders side for a minute. These things are not as black and white as they may look. Liver shunt can skip many, generations..so can most genetic problems. If a breeder gets LS, then ethically they should try not to get it again..but unfortunately, even researchers have no clue as to how it is passed in the genes..I have seen dozens of pedigrees with suspicious LS carriers, but the breeders have sound pups..I have seen other unrelated, non-suspect carriers produce a LS puppy...

There are no rules or laws, so no one can enforce something that does not exist. Sounds harsh, but it is a fact.
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I should have told the whole story in the beginning,a friend at work,her future mother in law,breeds yorkies for the money alone..the friend got a yorkie chi mix and it died in one month,went back and all of the litter was dead..so she got a yorkie that was pregnant,well its preg by its own father,and the father has livershunt prob..but there not getting surgery for the stud,just keep using him till he dies too,as has happened alot sence they are breeding tinys,one of the females weighed 3 lbs and they put her with a 6 lb stud..they are breeding mothers with sons,daughters with dads and have been doing this for years..wont give a health guarentee..nor give money back if pup dies,says you fed it something bad..I am not talking about a breeder that is looking out for the breed..I am talking about money hungary pigs that dont care about the pups, its a puppymill in the usual way,they arent even sure who got who preg,as long as they can tell akc and get papers,that way they can make more $$$$$
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P>S> they have 8 breeding females and 2 studs,but they say the littelist stud is daddy at all times...I like the dna testing,sound good and safer to me
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That's very sad, since alot of the buyers could turn around and breed their dogs. Big huge ugly snowball effect here. I don't see how anyone can look into the precious faces of these babies and mix-match and carelessly breed like that, just for the $$$. Makes me angry.
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Yes..thanks for more info. Puts a new light on things..LOL
What can you do?..it is a terrible situation. I would take a stand when talking to the friend about her future MIL...I would not talk with her about it, unless talking changed things.

Let me explain...I have had other breeders call and want me to listen to their problems..I am willing to listen, but when they turn around and allow the same things to happen over and over..all I can do it tell them I will be happy to help them change the on going problem, but I won't be an ear when they refuse to do what is right.
By listening and offering advise that is never taken only makes me a part of the mess.

It is so wrong to use a male for breeding with health probelms. You might contact AKC about this and tell them they are not careful with who sires who..might do nothing, might get an inspector out and scare them at least.
You can write the breeders vet and inform them of the problem...might stop the vet from referring puppy buyers to them..does the vet know they use a liver shunt stud?
You bring up a common situation among unreputable breeders..many show a nice, small male as the sire when actually a bigger, lesser quality was used..especially if a tiny male is hard to breed. That is one reason I tell people not to get caught up in pedigrees..or pay alot for a certain pedigree unless the breeder is top of the line in reputation.
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I should have told the whole story in the beginning,a friend at work,her future mother in law,breeds yorkies for the money alone..the friend got a yorkie chi mix and it died in one month,went back and all of the litter was dead..so she got a yorkie that was pregnant,well its preg by its own father,and the father has livershunt prob..but there not getting surgery for the stud,just keep using him till he dies too,as has happened alot sence they are breeding tinys,one of the females weighed 3 lbs and they put her with a 6 lb stud..they are breeding mothers with sons,daughters with dads and have been doing this for years..wont give a health guarentee..nor give money back if pup dies,says you fed it something bad..I am not talking about a breeder that is looking out for the breed..I am talking about money hungary pigs that dont care about the pups, its a puppymill in the usual way,they arent even sure who got who preg,as long as they can tell akc and get papers,that way they can make more $$$$$

That is disgusting! Yeah, you may want to contact AKC as Pat suggested and give them a detailed e-mail on all that you find. AKC has been known to do surprise visits and can pull her papers if found guilty. Best of luck!
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Talked again to the friend here, she is so concerned about the welfare of the dogs,she is calling the spca here,she told me how bad it really is,and she is going to do the best she can to get it stopped,she just ran it past me,wanting someone on her side before calling the SPCA,she says its cruelity all the way,that I don't know the half of it, so its in her ballpark now,I told her if I can help with rescue I will,she said that was the real reason she talked to me from the start, she needed to know someone would help the dogs also her in Utah,sence we dont have a yorkie rescue here,well we will get one started
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Talked again to the friend here, she is so concerned about the welfare of the dogs,she is calling the spca here,she told me how bad it really is,and she is going to do the best she can to get it stopped,she just ran it past me,wanting someone on her side before calling the SPCA,she says its cruelity all the way,that I don't know the half of it, so its in her ballpark now,I told her if I can help with rescue I will,she said that was the real reason she talked to me from the start, she needed to know someone would help the dogs also her in Utah,sence we dont have a yorkie rescue here,well we will get one started
WOW! I'm glad that you are there for your friend. Best of luck in this and keep us updated.
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Here is a link to Utah Yorkie Rescue

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