Reputable YT Breeders

[lynzy420]

Originally Posted by genesmasher

Thanks for your feedback. I guess internet juggernauts like Tripadvisor.com, Homedepot.com, Amazon.com, Yelp.com, Care.com, Angieslist.com and countless others didn't get a memo that "USER REVIEWS ARE A FATAL FLAW" I guess that is why they are failing so miserably.

One can always find something negative with anything, if that's all one looks for. Clearly, you mind is blinded with prejudice and I am wasting my time trying to make logical arguments. However, you are mistaken if you think that your opinion is the only one out there. I will keep posting on this site and others, inviting people to visit Find a Breeder, Dog & Cat Breeds, Kittens & Puppies for Sale, Pet Articles & Forum - Vadzilla, because I am confident that we have a superior service to offer, compared to other similar sites. And while I realize it will take time for us to gain enough exposure and build our reputation, I also know that many people do recognize the value in our service and we will get there. Regards.

These sites that your advertising here are a dime a dozen and as worthless as all the rest....its ridiculous...as is this site your hocking out here...

[lynzy420]

Originally Posted by genesmasher

I appreciate your opinion, and I can only respond - "Rome was not built in a day". We just launched this site in its fully-built form couple of months ago, and we dont have many breeder reviews yet. So, yes, it will take time for us to become the valued resource for dog lovers. And that is precisely why I am posting on this and other similar forums - to get not resistance, but help from people that deal with unscrupulous breeders and puppy mills on a first-hand basis. It is up to YOU to make Vadzilla a helpful tool we designed it to be. And as much as we would like it, it would not be feasible for us to dedicate a lot of resources to be an exhaustive source of information on EVERY breed. Instead, we chose to focus on the benefit we can provide to the ENTIRE INDUSTRY. We are a small family business, and we personally dont own Yorkies, or dogs at all (allergic ). But just so you know - we went through a painful and long process of finding a good breeder with our two balinese cats last year, which was ultimately the reason we created Vadzilla.com.

As for my Donating status - I went through official channels and presented my case to the site admin, before I donated. I absolutely made sure that the nature of my business is understood and received specific instructions on where and how to frame my posts. I am now adhering to those instructions. Yes, my interest is mainly in advertising my service, as it relates to the breeder search, I am not denying it. I will only post when it is relevant and appropriate, just like in the case of this original post.

PS. You really have to try Amazon - they have a lot of great stuff

OOOOhhhhh....another smiley abuser.....great....

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by genesmasher

Thanks for your feedback. I guess internet juggernauts like Tripadvisor.com, Homedepot.com, Amazon.com, Yelp.com, Care.com, Angieslist.com and countless others didn't get a memo that "USER REVIEWS ARE A FATAL FLAW" I guess that is why they are failing so miserably.

One can always find something negative with anything, if that's all one looks for. Clearly, you mind is blinded with prejudice and I am wasting my time trying to make logical arguments. However, you are mistaken if you think that your opinion is the only one out there. I will keep posting on this site and others, inviting people to visit Find a Breeder, Dog & Cat Breeds, Kittens & Puppies for Sale, Pet Articles & Forum - Vadzilla, because I am confident that we have a superior service to offer, compared to other similar sites. And while I realize it will take time for us to gain enough exposure and build our reputation, I also know that many people do recognize the value in our service and we will get there. Regards.

Perhaps they have succeeded because they have something original and useful to offer rather than retreading things that have already been done.

[gemy]

Originally Posted by genesmasher

I appreciate your opinion, and I can only respond - "Rome was not built in a day". We just launched this site in its fully-built form couple of months ago, and we dont have many breeder reviews yet. So, yes, it will take time for us to become the valued resource for dog lovers. And that is precisely why I am posting on this and other similar forums - to get not resistance, but help from people that deal with unscrupulous breeders and puppy mills on a first-hand basis. It is up to YOU to make Vadzilla a helpful tool we designed it to be. And as much as we would like it, it would not be feasible for us to dedicate a lot of resources to be an exhaustive source of information on EVERY breed. Instead, we chose to focus on the benefit we can provide to the ENTIRE INDUSTRY. We are a small family business, and we personally dont own Yorkies, or dogs at all (allergic ). But just so you know - we went through a painful and long process of finding a good breeder with our two balinese cats last year, which was ultimately the reason we created Vadzilla.com.

As for my Donating status - I went through official channels and presented my case to the site admin, before I donated. I absolutely made sure that the nature of my business is understood and received specific instructions on where and how to frame my posts. I am now adhering to those instructions. Yes, my interest is mainly in advertising my service, as it relates to the breeder search, I am not denying it. I will only post when it is relevant and appropriate, just like in the case of this original post.

PS. You really have to try Amazon - they have a lot of great stuff

I am happy that you went through the official channels and followed the specific instructions from admin.

What you failed to realize is just because you got the blessing from admin, doesn't stop the members of YT from researching your site, commenting upon it, or the fact you have one post and are a donating member.

Just because we are members of YT does not mean we support every single decision the Admin makes. We can respect that decision, and still disagree with it.

We will post warnings about your site, as in my mind and many others, it is just a marketing or selling tool, with no really usefull info for would be puppy buyers.

You know where the really usefull info is here at YT.

Also do you know if you ask any question with Yorkie in the question, basically this site comes up first in any Google search.

Why? Because of the 100,000 of thousands of posts on here on everything Yorkie, including some very rare diseases, and common diseases.

As a show breeder there is nothing about your site that would attract me to list with you.

Your site has no credibility in my eyes. And I do business face to face so to speak.

[yorkiefan_]

Originally Posted by lynzy420

Also, AMAZING YORKIES is Amazing!!!!

Indeed

[sugarmamma]

Originally Posted by lynzy420

OOOOhhhhh....another smiley abuser.....great....

Use those TAGS

[normarae63]

Originally Posted by sugarmamma

Use those TAGS

I've been a tagging FOOL lately. Mostly things that people might look for when they first come to YT looking for answers to common questions.

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by genesmasher

You missed the point of my post. The goal of Vadzilla.com is to enable people looking for purebred puppies and kittens find a breeder. Nothing more, nothing less. As I emphasized in my post, it is up to the customer to evaluate breeders that advertise with us. Does Amazon.com guarantee the quality of all products sold by various merchants through their site ? I don't think so. They also get commission from the merchants that sell through them. Does this automatically make Amazon a team of scam artists ? Can you honestly say that you have never purchased from Amazon ?

Be careful making quick judgements, after spending 2 minutes on site. One difference Vadzilla.com has over other similar sites is that we have breeder reviews. So if you really feel strongly about a certain breeder (the one that you wouldn't touch with a ten-foot pole, for example) and would like to warn others - PLEASE, REGISTER WITH US AND POST A REVIEW! That would do way more service to the community than simple bashing of a service provider.

The main reason why I am posting at this site is so that people like OP are aware of the tools available to them, and ultimately post reviews for breeders they find. Hopefully with time, enough review data will be accumulated, that it will be much easier for potential buyers to simply go to our site and make a quick and easy call on each breeder, instead of going through endless sources searching for recommendations. And we do have some specific pointers in our FAQ on how to interview a breeder, with a more information coming in the near months. Our site is still very new.

Finally, I never claimed that Vadzilla is a Yorkie-specific site. I dont see why it automatically makes it a scam site, as you portrait it. It is likely we will feature the breed in our blog at some near future, but if you are only looking at sites that have helpful articles on Yorkies, you might want to look elsewhere.

Originally Posted by genesmasher

Thanks for taking the time to read my replies completely.

Just FYI - our breeder database was created from multiple sources and was published just a few weeks ago. None of the breeders actually paid anything to Vadzilla.com for current listings. This free trial period will expire in about 2 months. At that time, it is likely that majority of breeder listings on Vadzilla will become inactive and will not be visible to site viewers. It is also very likely that IF customers make and effort and start posting DESERVED negative reviews to certain breeders, those breeders will no longer advertise with us. It is simply not worth the effort for most people to pay for advertisement and fight negative publicity at the same time. So, you see, from our business perspective, it is NOT in our interest to have reviews. But we implemented them anyway, because we knew how sensitive the community is to the "puppy mill" issue. Of course if everyone keeps closed-minded point of view, and prefers bashing instead of acting, nothing positive will come of it.

Anyway, thanks for the feedback, believe it or not, it is helpful. We will try to think of ways to implement improvements to our system to address your concerns.

I"m confused. So your website sets you apart from all the others already out there and Google bc you want to have reviews of your listed breeders or bc you don't want to have reviews?

Also what's stopping your paid advertisers from posting their own raving reviews? On Yelp they have a "complicated math algorithm" that filters out "fake" reviews, and that often does NOT work. How will you deal with this issue? Alternately, how will you deal with those trying to "out" bad breeders without actually having done business with them?

[genesmasher]

Originally Posted by capt_noonie

I"m confused. So your website sets you apart from all the others already out there and Google bc you want to have reviews of your listed breeders or bc you don't want to have reviews?

Also what's stopping your paid advertisers from posting their own raving reviews? On Yelp they have a "complicated math algorithm" that filters out "fake" reviews, and that often does NOT work. How will you deal with this issue? Alternately, how will you deal with those trying to "out" bad breeders without actually having done business with them?

We DO have reviews on the site. Most, if not all, breeder directories don't. Google doesn't have a breeder directory. Yes, it is tricky to implement and is still work in progress. Currently each registered user (including breeders) can only post one review per breeder. Breeders are not allowed to post reviews of themselves. We will be installing additional filters in the future, depending on need and demand, and if it becomes an issue. Breeders will be allowed to post a single rebuttal to every review, to eliminate a bad-mouthing and bashing by competing breeders. At the beginning we will carefully monitor and moderate the reviews, to make sure they are not abused (similar to the way posts are moderated on this forum). Thanks for an intelligent question !

[Breny]

Originally Posted by Ldyrev1

Hi, I don't know if I should be posting this here but I wondered...if I would like to purchase a yorkie puppy from a good breeder associated with YT...where would I look? Who could I contact?

Good luck in your search! Its always a fun and amazing time when adding a new baby!
I am a long time member here at YT and I sometimes have babies.

Feel free to contact me privately and maybe at some point I can help if I have what your looking for Take care!

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by genesmasher

We DO have reviews on the site. Most, if not all, breeder directories don't. Google doesn't have a breeder directory. Yes, it is tricky to implement and is still work in progress. Currently each registered user (including breeders) can only post one review per breeder. Breeders are not allowed to post reviews of themselves. We will be installing additional filters in the future, depending on need and demand, and if it becomes an issue. Breeders will be allowed to post a single rebuttal to every review, to eliminate a bad-mouthing and bashing by competing breeders. At the beginning we will carefully monitor and moderate the reviews, to make sure they are not abused (similar to the way posts are moderated on this forum). Thanks for an intelligent question !

You have nothing in place to stop breeders or their friends from posting either rave reviews about them selves.

Again, NOTHING about your site makes it any more reputable than Kiji or Puppyfind or the local classifieds. It's buyer beware and you ought to be ashamed of yourself for giving bad breeders another outlet to push their puppies on an unsuspecting and uneducated public.

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by Breny

Good luck in your search! Its always a fun and amazing time when adding a new baby!
I am a long time member here at YT and I sometimes have babies.

Feel free to contact me privately and maybe at some point I can help if I have what your looking for Take care!

I love your babies Breny. They are so beautiful.

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by genesmasher

We DO have reviews on the site. Most, if not all, breeder directories don't. Google doesn't have a breeder directory. Yes, it is tricky to implement and is still work in progress. Currently each registered user (including breeders) can only post one review per breeder. Breeders are not allowed to post reviews of themselves. We will be installing additional filters in the future, depending on need and demand, and if it becomes an issue. Breeders will be allowed to post a single rebuttal to every review, to eliminate a bad-mouthing and bashing by competing breeders. At the beginning we will carefully monitor and moderate the reviews, to make sure they are not abused (similar to the way posts are moderated on this forum). Thanks for an intelligent question !

But what would stop breeders or their friends/family from posting fake good reviews, and/or those people posting bad about other breeders? The problem is rampant on Yelp and they have a huge database of users, many staff members/mods, and their "algorithm" all together still does not work. I would assume your site is smaller than Yelp, how can the review filter work better?

But the most concerning part of your site to me is there is no screening for these breeders to advertise, and normally advertising to sell an inanimate object would make sense to pay for ads, but these are living breathing creatures we are talking about. Don't you think you owe it to the animals that there is at least some type of screening? Really I think THAT would make your site better in actuality. But in reality, real reputable breeders don't need to advertise, and I think that is the fatal flaw for your site.

[gemy]

Originally Posted by capt_noonie

But what would stop breeders or their . But in reality, real reputable breeders don't need to advertise, and I think that is the fatal flaw for your site.

Yeah but that puts us at a huge dis-advantage. Let us face this the internet is here to stay. If I don't put up a website, to say a whole lot of things about the breed, get the facts out there, and say, guess what this is what you are paying for. I leave it to all the commercial type folks to spread mis-information un-checked.

I have always resisted doing this web thing, as I NEED TO and must meet my purchasers face to face. But slowly I am beginning to see the need.

I just don't know how to do it, that I am immersed with responding to folks on the internet, who in no way can meet me or I, them.

Phew.

And I will say, judging by me, many very good breeders don't have websites, some very good breeders do of course, and lash me ass I don't know how to tell the two apart.

[lynzy420]

Originally Posted by genesmasher

We DO have reviews on the site. Most, if not all, breeder directories don't. Google doesn't have a breeder directory. Yes, it is tricky to implement and is still work in progress. Currently each registered user (including breeders) can only post one review per breeder. Breeders are not allowed to post reviews of themselves. We will be installing additional filters in the future, depending on need and demand, and if it becomes an issue. Breeders will be allowed to post a single rebuttal to every review, to eliminate a bad-mouthing and bashing by competing breeders. At the beginning we will carefully monitor and moderate the reviews, to make sure they are not abused (similar to the way posts are moderated on this forum). Thanks for an intelligent question !

Are you Eugenia V.?