Loosing puppies

[auntielaurie]

The puppy has been buried.
I don't think I will continue breeding. I need to think long and hard about it. We may have a yorkie pregnant right now, it's to early to tell..I just don't know if I can go through all this again..I can't seem to pull myself out of a deep depression over my loss.
I live in a small town, don't drive much, have no friends to talk to about my real feelings..I had my yorkies and my that brought me joy.Now that seems like I have failed the only good thing in my life...something to look forward to..the pitter patter of little feet...anyways thanks's for the help and answering my questions without judgement!!

[Julia Howard]

At some point we all loose puppies if we continue breeding. I can understand your not thinking you want to breed again. It is not for the faint of heart. I think you did all you could for the little one and that is going to happen. In spite of everything you do, you will not be able to save all of them and you shouldnt expect to. Sometimes there are reasons for loosing them that we cannot see. At that age there could have been a lot of problems internally and you wouldnt know it. We all just have to perfect our techniques and continue learning. I actually lost an entire litter that was born too early.
That happens too. One litter was born too early because Mom decided to eat
a piece of vinyl tablecloth off the picnic table and we didnt know it until the pups were born and the vet did surgery to remove the wad of vinyl. Also, lost an entire litter of "water puppies". That was my first experience with water puppies even though at that time I had bred for years. You will continue to learn if you breed long enough. Take care and just know that you did your best. Even vets have a hard time saving one this young.

[Amazing Yorkies]

I've had a lot of success with feeding Royal Canin HT42 breeding formula.

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by auntielaurie

The puppy has been buried.
I don't think I will continue breeding. I need to think long and hard about it. We may have a yorkie pregnant right now, it's to early to tell..I just don't know if I can go through all this again..I can't seem to pull myself out of a deep depression over my loss.
I live in a small town, don't drive much, have no friends to talk to about my real feelings..I had my yorkies and my that brought me joy.Now that seems like I have failed the only good thing in my life...something to look forward to..the pitter patter of little feet...anyways thanks's for the help and answering my questions without judgement!!

Excuse me!!!!! You can throw up your hands, succomb to what is your very first defeat, and quit....but you cant do that NOW!!! You just said you may have another pregnant yorkie....you put that girl in that position, now you have to see it thru! You get something to take notes on and get ready for me to contact you this weekend....breeding is NOT for the easily discouraged, defeatists, so if you can not reach down deep into your soul and your psyche, and pull out a breeder, then you are right....you need to stop before you waste any more time, or money, chasing something you said was "a life dream, and the only thing you were good at"......You lost a puppy....we learn from what we screw up.....maybe you did not screw up, we will never know because no autopsy was done....NO MORE GUESSING ABOUT WHAT YOU DO OR WHAT HAPPENS TO YOUR DOGS.......that is the FIRST thing you have to correct....from here on out, you will have any puppies that you loose, autopsied....you MUST know what went wrong so if possible you can correct it and not go there again! You can NOT keep making the same mistakes over and over and expect a different outcome....CHANGE THE METHOD!!! GET DIFFERENT RESULTS!!! When we talk this weekend, you need to tell me what dogs you have...lines and pedigrees....how did you come about these dogs. You have to start with solid, healthy, CORRECT breeding stock...this is your foundation and it can NOT be weak or wobbly. We need to discuss this "possibly pregnant yorkie"....as a breeder, you must know exactly when two dogs breed, and you get ultra sounds at 3 weeks to verify pregnancy. At day 58, you get xrays...this determines how many you have and their position.....THIS IS essential THAT YOU DO THIS....NO EYEBALLING AND SECOND GUESSING...YOU DO IT RIGHT, YOU know EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE FACING, SO YOU CAN DEAL WITH IT.......you are assimilating information that you need to PREVENT disasters from happening....you measure heads and make sure they will pass thru the pelvic ring, and you know when she has 4 babies, there are no more hung up in there....NO GUESSING, JUST FACTS!!....
You have to keep any more dogs from breeding, but you may have one pregnant now, so NO! you will NOT throw up your hands and walk off from your responsibility to that little lady....after she has her litter, and the babies are sold, you can fold up like a wet rag and give up on "a life long dream", because this takes more intestinal fortitude than YOU think you have...but you will see this next litter thru to the end. I will call you this weekend,,,9pm my time will be 7pm your time....you be ready to take notes..... you will get this done and done right....for that lady's sake that may be carrying babies for you. You grieve for that lost baby, for all the lost babies....and you fix what went wrong so it does not happen again, GOD WILLING.....

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by Amazing Yorkies

I've had a lot of success with feeding Royal Canin HT42 breeding formula.

This is the NEXT thing you are going to start doing....you need to be sure your breeding stock is conditioned just like they are athletes....breeding is hard on them and they have to be in tip top shape or they can NOT produce healthy, well developed puppies....and THIS is step one in the nutrition aspect!

[Yorkiemom1]

I was trying to make yoiu realize you can not give up with breeding while you have a pregnant female ...that is what YOU said you wanted to do, NOt my idea!....I was going to help you get your bearings and try to work thru this depression you have slid into....I succeeded in that you flared up and got fire in your belly, but you dont see that what I said did stir you up and get you out of the doldrums and help you turn your program into a success. Stay angry with me if that is what it takes to get you out of the place you are in over loosing that puppy. Good luck with whatever you decide you want to do.

[auntielaurie]

Yorkie mom.....Give me a break!! Giving up on breeding while I might have one pregnant ..to anyone else that would mean to not go forward with additional breedings. Not forget about the one that might be pregnant...words seem to really get twisted around to make people look bad...thank you because you know I didn't feel quite bad enough.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by auntielaurie

The puppy has been buried.
I don't think I will continue breeding. I need to think long and hard about it. We may have a yorkie pregnant right now, it's to early to tell..I just don't know if I can go through all this again..I can't seem to pull myself out of a deep depression over my loss.
I live in a small town, don't drive much, have no friends to talk to about my real feelings..I had my yorkies and my that brought me joy.Now that seems like I have failed the only good thing in my life...something to look forward to..the pitter patter of little feet...anyways thanks's for the help and answering my questions without judgement!!

Taking the puppy in and having a vet tell you why it died might help because it may have been something you had no control of.

[auntielaurie]

BTW yorkie lady I never said breeding was the only thing I was good at. I'm very good at a lot of things.I put everything I have into everything I do..I don't skimp on anything. That's not who I'am. Don't put your word in my mouth.
Perhaps I'am taking the lost of this puppy harder than most. I spent the last month with her..dedicating every minute to making sure she was ok. It was the first time I bottle fed, tube feed and cleaned her to make her go potty.I slept beside her making sure she was always warm, I made sure she knew she was loved.Took her to the vet when I needed help..it wasn't enough and I have to live with that...learn for it, if I decide to continue breeding.
I'm quite sure you are very good at breeding..but way to fast to assume the worst about others...jmo.
Like I said before I was hesitant about asking anything about breeding and I was so right...never again...
Yes loosing her was terribly hard. I hope I can move on..time will tell.

[MauiGirl]

It must be devastating to lose 2 puppies so close together just as you are trying to get started in breeding. I can understand how that would make you question whether or not to continue breeding.

It is an emotional, painful time, and I hope your mentor will help you through this.

This is another reason I could never be a breeder. It may also make others think twice about doing it.

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by auntielaurie

BTW yorkie lady I never said breeding was the only thing I was good at. I'm very good at a lot of things.I put everything I have into everything I do..I don't skimp on anything. That's not who I'am. Don't put your word in my mouth.
Perhaps I'am taking the lost of this puppy harder than most. I spent the last month with her..dedicating every minute to making sure she was ok. It was the first time I bottle fed, tube feed and cleaned her to make her go potty.I slept beside her making sure she was always warm, I made sure she knew she was loved.Took her to the vet when I needed help..it wasn't enough and I have to live with that...learn for it, if I decide to continue breeding.
I'm quite sure you are very good at breeding..but way to fast to assume the worst about others...jmo.
Like I said before I was hesitant about asking anything about breeding and I was so right...never again... Yes loosing her was terribly hard. I hope I can move on..time will tell.

You find someone that you can trust, someone that you believe you can listen to without feeling like you are being attacked....start with one person, but you can not possibly build a successful breeding program learning from only one person....you have to incorporate as many ideas from as many different people and sources as you possibly can...... hopefully, you can work thru this belief that asking for help in breeding or any area where you are trying to learn the skills necessary to be successful, is not acceptable to you and/or cause you hesitation because you perceive critical evaluation as an attack....hopefully you will work thru that and see that you can learn from EVERY interaction anyone has with you, whether you like the method or not, if you allow it. To "never again" ask for help or information in breeding, when you are JUST getting started, is to shut yourself completely off from a lifetime of wonderful learning opportunities from people that have a wealth of knowledge that will only make YOU a better breeder. As long as people deal with you honestly, and do not resort to calling you names, absorb what they tell you, and when you learn more skills, you can leave behind what you dont think fits into your program or your way of conducting your business. Your mind at this point should be like a sponge, learning everything you possibly can learn. We ALL continue to learn and weigh information and incorporate what we hear and are told about breeding, into what we think is best for each of us....and that goes for ALL breeders, regardless of how long you have been doing this....when the day comes that you think you will not ever seek to learn from anyone else that is knowledgable in this area, is the day your program begins to fail. NONE of us "know it all", and if you are new to this, you are hurting no one but yourself and your program by "never again" asking for help or advice. You lost a baby...we have all lost a baby....we have all worked 24/7 to keep a baby alive, for days on end, and lost the baby in spite of everything we did......grieve and get over it. Honer the baby by learning from your loss...what happened to cause its death, what could you have done differently, what is it going to change what you do in the future with future litters...THAT is how you honor that dead baby. THAT is what breeders do.......

[Amazing Yorkies]

You know, I think she was just very sad and needed to vent. You know us.. we all cinch up our breeders pants and go on, learn, and prevent.
I hope she's not discouraged from coming back.
Yorkiemom I can feel your passion! You're right, we never quit learning, but she needs to be here for one of her avenues for learning, not mad and click off. Don't get me wrong, I sometimes have to take a break from here, and you brave it out. There are many posts you answer that I just cannot face, and we all appreciate what you've done to help. But this lady didn't sound like the typical "My dog bred by accident 2 times.. 2 different days", now what do I do?
Taylor, are you a breeder? You were judging her. You jumped all over her about breeding, and didn't help answer her question at all. She already is a breeder, she was asking about losing a puppy.
Did you know that AKC actually prefers a building. Home breeders have a bigger chance of an oops breeding, or death from a dog fight while unattended. What do you think most "home" breeders do for containment? A "Yorkie Room" with cage after cage, and sometimes stacked cages. Now, how is that better than a building with no wire flooring, and access to outside? I've currently got 7 Yorkies fighting for my lap, and my bed was too full of Yorkies last night to sleep, but I also have a building for the safety of young babies and breeding containment, with access to outside, heat, A/C, toys, amazing flooring, beds, and lots of room, not wire crates of some home breeders. I have cameras on every one, so that I can see and hear what's going on at all times.
All you've ever seen is the videos of mills that use wire flooring, dirty, matted dogs, living in disgusting conditions. It is deplorable how they treat those precious babies! However.. not all buildings are like that.
ALL Breeders need containment of some sort, and it's not always that black and white. We all need to do our homework, but maybe not be so opinionated.

[Micah my love]

Originally Posted by Amazing Yorkies

You know, I think she was just very sad and needed to vent. You know us.. we all cinch up our breeders pants and go on, learn, and prevent.
I hope she's not discouraged from coming back.
Yorkiemom I can feel your passion! You're right, we never quit learning, but she needs to be here for one of her avenues for learning, not mad and click off. Don't get me wrong, I sometimes have to take a break from here, and you brave it out. There are many posts you answer that I just cannot face, and we all appreciate what you've done to help. But this lady didn't sound like the typical "My dog bred by accident 2 times.. 2 different days", now what do I do?
Taylor, are you a breeder? You were judging her. You jumped all over her about breeding, and didn't help answer her question at all. She already is a breeder, she was asking about losing a puppy.
Did you know that AKC actually prefers a building. Home breeders have a bigger chance of an oops breeding, or death from a dog fight while unattended. What do you think most "home" breeders do for containment? A "Yorkie Room" with cage after cage, and sometimes stacked cages. Now, how is that better than a building with no wire flooring, and access to outside? I've currently got 7 Yorkies fighting for my lap, and my bed was too full of Yorkies last night to sleep, but I also have a building for the safety of young babies and breeding containment, with access to outside, heat, A/C, toys, amazing flooring, beds, and lots of room, not wire crates of some home breeders. I have cameras on every one, so that I can see and hear what's going on at all times.
All you've ever seen is the videos of mills that use wire flooring, dirty, matted dogs, living in disgusting conditions. It is deplorable how they treat those precious babies! However.. not all buildings are like that.
ALL Breeders need containment of some sort, and it's not always that black and white. We all need to do our homework, but maybe not be so opinionated.

Deb i have waited for this post a very long time now, I have seen so many breeders bashed for asking a question, when some doing most of the talking didn't have a clue as to what it takes to whelp a litter, and did not know diddly squat about the person that was being criticized, there were so many knowledgeable breeders here that have left...I feel lucky to have known a few inc. you

[auntielaurie]

Just a quick thank you to Deb, and some others that didn't judge me. I'm sorry yorkie mom but you just seemed like you were yelling at me and treating me like crap.Like I was a terrible person because I didn't know enough to save the puppies life.I did my best..I don't believe that you can be a breeder and not lose a puppy from time to time. Yes I need to learn more. I have spent so much time on you tube and have learned a lot. I also have several books on breeding, I have a mentor, I go in with the vet and watch what she does when my puppy was breach.My very first puppy I helped deliver was breach and I was able to get it out alive..very scared at the time. I cut the cords so mama won't chew down to far.I dock tails, do the dew claws, give shots,wormings.I do a lot of things that I never new I would have to do.I don't just put my yorkies in a crate and watch them pump out puppies..I'm trying to do it right.We have had some beautiful puppies.
Please go to facebook and type in YORKIES IN THE MEADOWS, and see for yourself. I have lots of pictures of my yorkies...

[nanahas3]

I agree with you Deb about the buildings. When we got our poms years ago they were from a show breeder and she had just such a kennel as you describe. I was always amazed that there was never even a dog smell inside it was always so clean. Her dogs like yours were loved pets but there is always the saftey factor.