Snow Blue Yorkies?

[msyorktown]

Originally Posted by chachi

The biewers have their own breed clubs and their own standard

thanks chachi...I didn't know that. By any chance do you know what the name of the breed club is?

[chachi]

[QUOTE=msyorktown;3949099]thanks chachi...I didn't know that. By any cnce do you know what the name of the breed club is?[/Q

There are at least 2 different ones Im not so certain of names so Ill let the biewer people fill you in

[GreenwoodBiewer]

There are many Biewer breed clubs in Germany, there are some here in the states..yes the Biewer has it's own standard.. as does the Parti, which is the AKC version of the Biewer. Not all of the Biewer breed clubs agree on what the Biewer is or where they want the Biewer to go.. however I believe they all agree that the Biewer came from two traditional yorkies without any other dogs being introduced.

There was One club that eventually differed from this idea, the BTCA. They called the Biewer a Biewer Terrier, however, most do not believe in their "findings" because of the questionable data and questionable leadership among other things. I don't believe this club is still around or if it is, will get very far.. just my opinion of course.

Yes.. the Parti yorkies is still a yorkie, and the color would be considered a "fault" according to the Yorkshire Terrier Standard.

-Diana

[Lorraine]

I have no idea wher eyou get the idea of hatred. Colour in the YOrkie is about the breed standard handed down over a century ago now from the breeders that developed the breed, had it recognized and along the way the colour was defined with other colours not being acceptable.
All purebreds recognized by bona fide registries such as AKC in the US and CKC in Canada, have a breed standard. It always defines size in some form, some include colour and in some it has to be certain colour patterns depending on the breed you are talking about. That is what a breed standard is for.
The Yorkie show fanciers don't hate the Biewers or parti colour. Go ahead and put in the work, money time etc that purebred fanciers have put in to have their breed recognized, and have parti's or Biewers recognized as a purebred but they are not a yorkshire terrier.
Chocolates and blue born are yorkshire Terriers as a result of recessive genes. Never a good idea to breed for recessive genes. Health issues are usually carried along with them. They certainly are registerable with bona fide registries as Yorkshire Terriers but no reputable breeder would ever purposely breed for them. BEcause it is against the breed standard and breeding purposely for wrong colour is not breeding with the breed standard in mind. This is going to be the case with any purebred breed you are talking about.

[SnowBlueYorkies]

Oh BTW Look at your posts, don't you see the hatred spewing.. I sure do!!

[manolos mom]

Originally Posted by SnowBlueYorkies

Oh BTW Look at your posts, don't you see the hatred spewing.. I sure do!!

Debbie, no one has hatred The FACT is that you cannot show a Golden, Chocolate or a Parti. And that is a Fact. Lorraine is giving the correct information according to the YTCA Standards.

[Lisa and Pic]

Originally Posted by SnowBlueYorkies

Oh BTW Look at your posts, don't you see the hatred spewing.. I sure do!!

In no way, shape or form do I read hatred spewing from Lorraine's posts. Geez. However, I cannot say the same thing about your last few posts.

[chachi]

Originally Posted by GreenwoodBiewer

There are many Biewer breed clubs in Germany, there are some here in the states..yes the Biewer has it's own standard.. as does the Parti, which is the AKC version of the Biewer. Not all of the Biewer breed clubs agree on what the Biewer is or where they want the Biewer to go.. however I believe they all agree that the Biewer came from two traditional yorkies without any other dogs being introduced.

There was One club that eventually differed from this idea, the BTCA. They called the Biewer a Biewer Terrier, however, most do not believe in their "findings" because of the questionable data and questionable leadership among other things. I don't believe this club is still around or if it is, will get very far.. just my opinion of course.

Yes.. the Parti yorkies is still a yorkie, and the color would be comsidered a "fault" according to the Yorkshire Terrier Standard.

-Diana

The parti has the same standard and club as the yorkie the YTCA and their color is considered a fault. Quit trying to mislead

[mugwee1]

I was told by a reputable bewier breeder. that has line's from Germany That Mr. Bewier used Sht Tsu in his breeding practice when he started to breed the bewier. I was gonna buy one of these beautiful dog's. but on that info I changed my mind and got a regular standard yorkie. I think all Yorkies are beautifulo no matter what color. I just hope the breeder's are breeding to better the breed.

[lynzy420]

In response to your hatred and prejudice denotation of YT members...

Wow, this is totally 100% uncalled for and hurtful to many of us here. I fly many flags in my home, at work and in life in general.. and the only people I dislike are people who I view as BAD, period. I resent your very topical and widespread use of the words PREJUDICE and HATRED...toward me or any of the true YT members here. We many not always agree on some things at YT because we have different opinnions, but I have never felt, nor seen any prejudice, bias and least of all hatred. Collectively we hate many things that "bad" people do....and in the memory of the late Rodney King - "Can't we all just get along???"

p.s. The only black and white I see at YT is the typed print....shame on you for saying such things here, in a forum where color etc., is seen in only the words that we select a font color different from the default black...

[gemy]

Alright I've seen these types of threads over and over and over again. The lines are drawn.

It seems that the contention is based on the premise; that if you don't breed to the standard for color set by the YTCA, then you are NOT Reputable as a Breeder.

Those that do breed the non standard color Yorkies; say don't make Blanket statements about me, based on "color" selection alone.

As we all know there are many purebreds with different acceptable colors being shown in the rings, eg; poodles, bouviers, et al. At some point each one of the breed clubs eventually allowed a different color for their breed. I wonder how that came to be? Could it be those purebred fanciers that fell in love with a certain color, and despite scorn and ridicule continued on to pursue their passion, prove the health of the color, and finally after years got the breed club to approve this color for the ring?

Not every color is automatically paired with a genetic health problem. Yes the merles and some other "whites" do.

If I believed passionately in a certain "color" for the Yorkshire Terrier, and I went above and beyond to safeguard the health,structure and temperament when breeding for the color I want; if I had a meaningful health guarantee, if I stood behind my puppy purchasers for the lifetime of my dog; if I volunteered at my local dog club, if I funded and supported research into the genetic illnesses of our beloved breed, if I trained and championed my dogs in the venues that permitted me to. How then could you reasonably say I am Not a Reputable Breeder?????? Highly insulting to me.

For heaven sakes folks; just say without any heat, parti colored, goldens, browns, etc are not approved colors for the show ring. You can even say the YTCA, does not support the deliberate breeding of "off standard" color. Nor does the YTCA condone selling practices that mislead the public, by charging more for the "rare" colors.

Allow these folks to have the passion of their beliefs, respect their dedication to an ideal that is different to yours.

There are many more serious concerns with the YT, namely all the bybers, puppy mill churner outers, that don't breed for health, temperament, or structure, nevermind color!

[Lil Sis]

Originally Posted by gemy

Alright I've seen these types of threads over and over and over again. The lines are drawn.

It seems that the contention is based on the premise; that if you don't breed to the standard for color set by the YTCA, then you are NOT Reputable as a Breeder.

Those that do breed the non standard color Yorkies; say don't make Blanket statements about me, based on "color" selection alone.

As we all know there are many purebreds with different acceptable colors being shown in the rings, eg; poodles, bouviers, et al. At some point each one of the breed clubs eventually allowed a different color for their breed. I wonder how that came to be? Could it be those purebred fanciers that fell in love with a certain color, and despite scorn and ridicule continued on to pursue their passion, prove the health of the color, and finally after years got the breed club to approve this color for the ring?

Not every color is automatically paired with a genetic health problem. Yes the merles and some other "whites" do.

If I believed passionately in a certain "color" for the Yorkshire Terrier, and I went above and beyond to safeguard the health,structure and temperament when breeding for the color I want; if I had a meaningful health guarantee, if I stood behind my puppy purchasers for the lifetime of my dog; if I volunteered at my local dog club, if I funded and supported research into the genetic illnesses of our beloved breed, if I trained and championed my dogs in the venues that permitted me to. How then could you reasonably say I am Not a Reputable Breeder?????? Highly insulting to me.

For heaven sakes folks; just say without any heat, parti colored, goldens, browns, etc are not approved colors for the show ring. You can even say the YTCA, does not support the deliberate breeding of "off standard" color. Nor does the YTCA condone selling practices that mislead the public, by charging more for the "rare" colors.

Allow these folks to have the passion of their beliefs, respect their dedication to an ideal that is different to yours.

There are many more serious concerns with the YT, namely all the bybers, puppy mill churner outers, that don't breed for health, temperament, or structure, nevermind color!

Just reading this thread..very well said gemy!! I agree 1000%

[lynzy420]

Originally Posted by gemy

Alright I've seen these types of threads over and over and over again. The lines are drawn.


It seems that the contention is based on the premise; that if you don't breed to the standard for color set by the YTCA, then you are NOT Reputable as a Breeder.

Those that do breed the non standard color Yorkies; say don't make Blanket statements about me, based on "color" selection alone.

As we all know there are many purebreds with different acceptable colors being shown in the rings, eg; poodles, bouviers, et al. At some point each one of the breed clubs eventually allowed a different color for their breed. I wonder how that came to be? Could it be those purebred fanciers that fell in love with a certain color, and despite scorn and ridicule continued on to pursue their passion, prove the health of the color, and finally after years got the breed club to approve this color for the ring?

Not every color is automatically paired with a genetic health problem. Yes the merles and some other "whites" do.

If I believed passionately in a certain "color" for the Yorkshire Terrier, and I went above and beyond to safeguard the health,structure and temperament when breeding for the color I want; if I had a meaningful health guarantee, if I stood behind my puppy purchasers for the lifetime of my dog; if I volunteered at my local dog club, if I funded and supported research into the genetic illnesses of our beloved breed, if I trained and championed my dogs in the venues that permitted me to. How then could you reasonably say I am Not a Reputable Breeder?????? Highly insulting to me.

For heaven sakes folks; just say without any heat, parti colored, goldens, browns, etc are not approved colors for the show ring. You can even say the YTCA, does not support the deliberate breeding of "off standard" color. Nor does the YTCA condone selling practices that mislead the public, by charging more for the "rare" colors.

Allow these folks to have the passion of their beliefs, respect their dedication to an ideal that is different to yours.

There are many more serious concerns with the YT, namely all the bybers, puppy mill churner outers, that don't breed for health, temperament, or structure, nevermind color!

Very well said, very meaningful and informational at the same time! I admire your writing ability and your sincere emotions jumped off the screen at me...

I agree with you on many levels. I just think (insulting/politically posts aside) that it is interesting to see what the opposing sides to this debate have to say. I also think that years from now this will be viewed by many, and hopefully at that time, the dividing line will have been erased and this resolved in some form agreeable to all sides.

I think it is constructive and I am grateful that they have a forum such as this to debate, maybe, just maybe it will help to achieve the resolve necessary to end this debate!

[msyorktown]

Ok let me say I AM BLACK, and I find your comment about sitting at the back of the bus highly insulting! I drive a bus for the city of Toronto and get enough racism from my job from passengers...I dont see hatred or racsim at YT at all. You all have a difference of opinion when it comes to the breed standard regarding colour, from what I'm understanding the
Biewer has its own standard, so whats the problem really?! I personally love the Biewers, thats why my next pup will be a Biewer...from a reputable Biewer breeder.As for the parti they are recognized by both the AKC and the CKC (Canadian Kennel Club) with the color as being a fault. I really didn't realize i was starting a war when i asked about the Biewer and Parti. Wow...can we agree to disagree?? All of this is so unnecessary.....

[msyorktown]

Originally Posted by gemy

Alright I've seen these types of threads over and over and over again. The lines are drawn.

It seems that the contention is based on the premise; that if you don't breed to the standard for color set by the YTCA, then you are NOT Reputable as a Breeder.

Those that do breed the non standard color Yorkies; say don't make Blanket statements about me, based on "color" selection alone.

As we all know there are many purebreds with different acceptable colors being shown in the rings, eg; poodles, bouviers, et al. At some point each one of the breed clubs eventually allowed a different color for their breed. I wonder how that came to be? Could it be those purebred fanciers that fell in love with a certain color, and despite scorn and ridicule continued on to pursue their passion, prove the health of the color, and finally after years got the breed club to approve this color for the ring?

Not every color is automatically paired with a genetic health problem. Yes the merles and some other "whites" do.

If I believed passionately in a certain "color" for the Yorkshire Terrier, and I went above and beyond to safeguard the health,structure and temperament when breeding for the color I want; if I had a meaningful health guarantee, if I stood behind my puppy purchasers for the lifetime of my dog; if I volunteered at my local dog club, if I funded and supported research into the genetic illnesses of our beloved breed, if I trained and championed my dogs in the venues that permitted me to. How then could you reasonably say I am Not a Reputable Breeder?????? Highly insulting to me.

For heaven sakes folks; just say without any heat, parti colored, goldens, browns, etc are not approved colors for the show ring. You can even say the YTCA, does not support the deliberate breeding of "off standard" color. Nor does the YTCA condone selling practices that mislead the public, by charging more for the "rare" colors.

Allow these folks to have the passion of their beliefs, respect their dedication to an ideal that is different to yours.

There are many more serious concerns with the YT, namely all the bybers, puppy mill churner outers, that don't breed for health, temperament, or structure, nevermind color!

Thanks Gemy...very well said!!