Snow Blue Yorkies?

[ladyjane]

Krokkful are you from Paris, TX? Looks like you have a zip code similar to a TX one.

[gemy]

Originally Posted by Lorraine

You wrote:"I am only saying as a fact that show yorkies are having generally problems with their legs!"
I have no idea where or how you got that idea? Fact is the show dog has to be sound or cannot be in the show rings. You don't just take them in and stand there. They move. The judge goes over their structure including knees. Etc. Ihave seen show dogs reach a very ripe old age and can still move like a dream. Where have you been to shows that you think this? Or had your hands on show dogs that you think this to be so?
Do you really think people that show their dogs perhaps sell show dogs from their line or offer stud services would do so with unsound stock? Guess what happens in the whelping box of another breeder if they do? Geee I wonder!

About colour, this is a good article well researched and based on knowledge of genetics. Goldenray Genetics Chocolate Yorkies Red Golden or Yorkie Blue Borns CDA

Actually she denoted how she got that idea; her Dad is a vet and her uncle a surger(?) Perhaps surgeon. Given translation from French to English.

Perhaps you can ask her to link the French Health Data Bases so we can all look up the incidence of LP and Leggs Perthes

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by gemy

Actually she denoted how she got that idea; her Dad is a vet and her uncle a surger(?) Perhaps surgeon. Given translation from French to English.

Perhaps you can ask her to link the French Health Data Bases so we can all look up the incidence of LP and Leggs Perthes

Something wrong with the claim of Dad is a vet. Vets are not allowed to fix LCP or a knee so bad to need surgery for it to go back into the ring. They have to be spayed/neutered. It is totally wrong to try to point fingers at the show dog and their incidence of health issues without addressing those of the mutt or other byb products.
There will be health issues in animals period. Whether those born in the wild depending on the species or the domesticated animal. That's life. It is what the breeders that purposely breed two animals do to hopefully not produce a problem or if they do then what? Compared to irresponsible breeders who breed sell their wares and have no interest in anything else.
You see, I do mobile dog grooming, have done so for over 20 years. The number of small dogs that are mutts or some pb from byb's with genetic health issues has been mind boggling. Yes some are healthy but many people don't realize the many dogs that do have health issues that are not purebred but mutts. And as I have said many go back to many generations of mutts producing mutt or in the case of byb's stuff, they are not registered who knows what is behind them and many times they are not pb anyway.

[gemy]

Lorraine I personally don't know what vets are allowed by their license to do in Paris, France; how-ever I do know here in America many general vets do fix Luxating Patella, and are skilled enough to ddx'd the LP and for some even give a credible grade to it. For me no general vet would ever put a knife to my dog for LP or Leggs Perthes ie Femoral Head Surgery.

The issue of cross breds and "multi breeds" ie the old acronymn of mutts and their health will continue to be an "issue", as as you well know no health databases are extant that report on these concerns. We all have our biases, based on the little of the dog world we do interact with. Until we get scientific data on a large enough cross section of the population done in a meaningful way, there is only your opinion, my opinion and the neighbour's next door's opinion. I personally see many mutts (IMO) that have either hip or elbow dysplasia (likely so), doing their doggy best to get by, as they are walked by their owners. In fact because my interest is in movement, I am always observing gait when out and about. I an cognizant how-ever that my many years of observing dogs, purebred, mixed what-ever, and no matter how many dogs I have observed; is in no way scientific knowledge. I do not subscribe to the view cross breeds are healthier, or unheathier then mixes. I simply Do Not Know the answer, as there is no bulk of scientific evidence to support my opinion.

[bchgirl]

Originally Posted by Lorraine

Something wrong with the claim of Dad is a vet. Vets are not allowed to fix LCP or a knee so bad to need surgery for it to go back into the ring. They have to be spayed/neutered.

Is this a law? I am not being flippant but I know of no mandate to back this statement.

I bred biewers I would not bred a dog which required surgery to correct a leg issue. I health test my dogs. I actively show them, abet it is not an akc ring but is under akc judges. What else would you suggest I do?

LP is rampant in yorkies...even championed ones. I know this for a fact.

[SnowBlueYorkies]

Common sense is a flower that doesn't grow in everyone's garden.

[lynzy420]

Originally Posted by GreenwoodBiewer

Lynzy..

I'm sorry you feel that you can speak that way about me when you don't even know me.. I wouldn't presume to make statements about you personally without knowing you .. but we all have our out set of ethics I guess. If you DID know me.. you would know I am NOT making all of this $$$$$$ ...I'm not sure where you get your information but I'd check your sources again.

I DON'T sell ANY of my dogs for breeding.. not sure most on here can say that.. I sell my dogs on spay/neuter contracts ONLY.. I neuter ALL of my males prior to leaving my home.. if you knew my prices on my yorkies and my carriers .. you would know that they are most likely the same price that most of you are getting for your tradtionally colored yorkies.. (and remember, mine are already neutered).

Also, I show my dogs.. I don't just produce puppies, I bring them to shows and have them evaluated. Of course, they are not allowed in the AKC ring (yet) BUT, I bring them to the venues where they are allowed, and they do very well in their competitions.

OOoh, and I DO breed to Better the Breed.. if that's the rest of the sentence you were trying to complete.. I am always working on a better coat, a better earset, a better topline... just as you all are... I don't see what is soo hard to understand. We are ALL looking at the same thing.. we all WANT the same thing.. a beautiful, stunning, healthy Yorkshire Terrier.. we just love ones that have color along WITH the ones that are that beautiful Blue and Gold.. We love them all no matter WHAT color these lovely creatures come in.. our goals are the same.. it's just the COLOR that's different..

-Diana

I apologize my post wasn't directed at you, or it shouldn't have been. I was referring to breeders as I described and you don't appear to be one of them. That was not meant to be personal either. I am sorry...

p.s. I have a Biewer and a Yorkie...I love all animals though!

[manolos mom]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

People who breed off-colors often excuse their breeding practices by complaining about show breeders and how they breed for looks and not health. If you ask me, it’s a krockfull of . . .

THANK YOU NANCY!! Her name "krockfull" says it all!! My point is, Lets keep a Yorkie a Yorkie...Nothing more nothing less than a Yorkie.. Bottom line, A Good Breeder will follow the YTCA guidelines. Fly by night Breeders just want to breed for money and could care less about the Breed.

[GreenwoodBiewer]

Originally Posted by manolos mom

THANK YOU NANCY!! Her name "krockfull" says it all!! My point is, Lets keep a Yorkie a Yorkie...Nothing more nothing less than a Yorkie.. Bottom line, A Good Breeder will follow the YTCA guidelines. Fly by night Breeders just want to breed for money and could care less about the Breed.

ho hum.. the tune is dum the words don't mean a thing.. isn't this a silly song to sing before the king!.. Sorry for the "silly" song.. BUT that's what your response sounds like to me .. again, someone is making a blanket statement that is untrue.. obviously, you have not cared to read what has been written BY Snow Blue or ABOUT Snow Blue, or you are just making a blanket statment about ALL Parti/off color yorkie breeders. Please.. for heavens sake, don't LEARN anything knew here.. you've come with your mind made up.

Do you ONLY see color in these dogs.. Is that ALL there is to them?? Do you not see ANYTHING else to their marvelous beings? They are oooh so much more than just coat! Acutually, I personally focus on the rest of them first... THEN I worry about the color.. it's amazing what a truly nice dog you get. By the way.. they are STILL yorkies..don't be afraid, color doesn't change them .. not one.. Little.. BIT!

An open mind is a glorious thing.. the world is so much nicer when you open some windows and let some light in.

-Diana

[GreenwoodBiewer]

Originally Posted by lynzy420

I apologize my post wasn't directed at you, or it shouldn't have been. I was referring to breeders as I described and you don't appear to be one of them. That was not meant to be personal either. I am sorry...

p.s. I have a Biewer and a Yorkie...I love all animals though!

Ok Lynzy

-Diana

[ladyjane]

All animals are marvelous beings and more than their colors. I don't think that is the point here. ...

[msyorktown]

I have read through this thread, and I'm wondering what is exactly the point? I'm not trying to tick anyone off here, just trying to understand. Biewer, Parti, Chocolate, Traditional....they are all beautiful yorkies IMO. So whats the point? As long as the pups are healthy, colour is a personal choice...no?

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by msyorktown

I have read through this thread, and I'm wondering what is exactly the point? I'm not trying to tick anyone off here, just trying to understand. Biewer, Parti, Chocolate, Traditional....they are all beautiful yorkies IMO. So whats the point? As long as the pups are healthy, colour is a personal choice...no?

No, it's a little more complicated than that. Every breed has a standard, an ethical breeder follows standard, and she doesn't pick and choose what parts of standard she personally likes. Say a breeder likes long floppy ears like a Maltese, should that breeder start breeding for that trait? Previous breeders have worked hard to create a standard and get breeding dogs to produce puppies that will resemble the mother and father. As you may know, when you breed two different breeds together, you really can't predict the results at all; it could look totally like one breed, or the other, or a mixture of both! The reason I’m in favor of purebred breeding, is that you can predict what the adult will look like and how it will behave, this is important so that dogs will not “disappoint” their owners and end up in rescue. If we didn’t have an overabundance of dogs that we kill each year, because no one wants them, this wouldn’t be such a problem and people could breed whatever. If you don’t follow standard, where do you stop? Some people want to change standard to have wiry hair, like a Cairn Terrier, some love the droopy ears like a Maltese, some love the black and white, rather than the blue and gold, but it’s the duty of the breed club to protect standard and never change it unless health issues have been a problem due to the written standard. This isn’t true with Yorkies, and in fact, it really isn’t known whether breeding for the white may cause more health problems. Hopefully the breeders who are breeding off color dogs are doing it for the right reasons, and will be responsible, and share their information with others, for example if they produce a puppy that is deaf, they should not only not breed the parents who produced it, but tell everyone who has a dog related to the dogs who produced it. By the way, for some to suggest that we are prejudiced because we believe in every breed having a standard and breeders following that standard, well, that’s is just ridiculous.

[msyorktown]

Ohhhh ok i get it! (I think) But isn't say the parti yorkie still a yorkie, but with a fault...colour? I realize that some are breeding for color, so therefore they aren't following the standard...correct? Personally im not a breeder, but i still love the colouring of the Biewer, thats why i am actively looking for one...I do have two that are traditional colour. From what im understandering the biewers that were developed in Germany were 'developed' (for lack of a better word) from the tradional yorkshire terrier....if i'm wrong please correct me. I'm trying to figure out what this war (so to speak) is about between those that breed tradional and those that breed Biewer I guess that those that breed the Biewer aren't following what the YTCA has set as a standard?...So why isn't there a standard for the biewer??? I'm sooo confused

[chachi]

Originally Posted by msyorktown

Ohhhh ok i get it! (I think) But isn't say the parti yorkie still a yorkie, but with a fault...colour? I realize that some are breeding for color, so therefore they aren't following the standard...correct? Personally im not a breeder, but i still love the colouring of the Biewer, thats why i am actively looking for one...I do have two that are traditional colour. From what im understandering the biewers that were developed in Germany were 'developed' (for lack of a better word) from the tradional yorkshire terrier....if i'm wrong please correct me. I'm trying to figure out what this war (so to speak) is about between those that breed tradional and those that breed Biewer I guess that those that breed the Biewer aren't following what the YTCA has set as a standard?...So why isn't there a standard for the biewer??? I'm sooo confused

The biewers have their own breed clubs and their own standard