Snow Blue Yorkies?

[Lorraine]

I have Ethel Munday's book The Popular Yorkshire Terrier written in the 50's. According to the jacket of my book in telling who Ethel Munday was in Britain it states “ an International Championship show judge and Secretary of the Yorkshire Terrier Club (Great Britain) and was a successful ‘Yorkie’ breeder and exhibitor.”
Chapter 2 talks about the parent club The Yorkshire Terrier Club founded in 1874. That would have been in Great Britain. First page talks about the standard points and breakdown on how to judge the merit of a dog, coat, coat colour etc.
Then she states the original points were approved at the Annual General Meeting of the Yorkshire Terrier Club on Oct 16th 1946.
A Breed Standard was then adopted by the Committee of the Kennel Club in January 1950 and in that breed standard is
“ Colour. A dark Steel-blue (not silver blue), extending from the occiput (or back of skull) to the root of tail, and on no account mingled with fawn, bronze, or dark hairs. The hair on the chest a rich bright tan. All tan hair should be darker at the roots than in themiddle, shading to a still lighter tan at the tips.”
As I recall without going to the site and looking it up, our own YTCA was founded in 1952, breed standard being held by the YTCA.
At the end of the standard adopted by the Yorkshire Terrier Club in Britain in 1950, she outlines in this book she states
"In compiling this standard, the aim was to supply a word picture of an ideal dog. Anyone who aspires to success either as a breeder, exhibitor, or judge would do well to study this standard and devote serious thought to it. "
I kinda chuckled when she went on to say "If considered intelligently, it should conjure up a mental picture of a Yorkshire Terrier of the correct type, but since it becomes increasingly evident that a number of breeders either never refer to the standard, or, if they do, fail to grasp the significance of it, it would seem desireable to examine this description (meaning the breed standard as adopted in 1950) to clarify any doubt."
We are talking about more than 125 years since the parent club of the Yorkshire Terrier was first established which would have been after decades of introducing the different combinations of breeds into the YOrkie to what they produced at that time that threw true in the mating of Yorkie to Yorkie to produce Yorkie and indeed to what we have today. If you want to know more about that Joan Gordon wrote a History of the Yorkshire Terrier and how it was developed on the YTCA.org website.
I find it very humbling that a legacy such as the years of work, thought, and selections to have our noble breed the Yorkshire Terrier, to set the standard over 100 years ago is something I don't think we have earned any right to mess with. We do have an obligation to uphold and protect our breed, educate those who don't 'get it' and not just in Yorkshire Terriers but the purpose of the breed standards for all purebred dogs.
Colour which was strived for by the founders of the breed as outlined in the breed standard has been bred for, strived for, and upheld for over a century by Yorkshire Terrier breeder fanciers.
In summation, of anyone wanting to breed Yorkshire Terriers is to uphold our breed in what it is supposed to look like per the breed standard handed to us on a silver platter so long ago.

[GreenwoodBiewer]

Originally Posted by Lorraine

I have Ethel Munday's book The Popular Yorkshire Terrier written in the 50's. According to the jacket of my book in telling who Ethel Munday was in Britain it states “ an International Championship show judge and Secretary of the Yorkshire Terrier Club (Great Britain) and was a successful ‘Yorkie’ breeder and exhibitor.”
Chapter 2 talks about the parent club The Yorkshire Terrier Club founded in 1874. That would have been in Great Britain. First page talks about the standard points and breakdown on how to judge the merit of a dog, coat, coat colour etc.
Then she states the original points were approved at the Annual General Meeting of the Yorkshire Terrier Club on Oct 16th 1946.
A Breed Standard was then adopted by the Committee of the Kennel Club in January 1950 and in that breed standard is
“ Colour. A dark Steel-blue (not silver blue), extending from the occiput (or back of skull) to the root of tail, and on no account mingled with fawn, bronze, or dark hairs. The hair on the chest a rich bright tan. All tan hair should be darker at the roots than in themiddle, shading to a still lighter tan at the tips.”
As I recall without going to the site and looking it up, our own YTCA was founded in 1952, breed standard being held by the YTCA.
At the end of the standard adopted by the Yorkshire Terrier Club in Britain in 1950, she outlines in this book she states
"In compiling this standard, the aim was to supply a word picture of an ideal dog. Anyone who aspires to success either as a breeder, exhibitor, or judge would do well to study this standard and devote serious thought to it. "
I kinda chuckled when she went on to say "If considered intelligently, it should conjure up a mental picture of a Yorkshire Terrier of the correct type, but since it becomes increasingly evident that a number of breeders either never refer to the standard, or, if they do, fail to grasp the significance of it, it would seem desireable to examine this description (meaning the breed standard as adopted in 1950) to clarify any doubt."
We are talking about more than 125 years since the parent club of the Yorkshire Terrier was first established which would have been after decades of introducing the different combinations of breeds into the YOrkie to what they produced at that time that threw true in the mating of Yorkie to Yorkie to produce Yorkie and indeed to what we have today. If you want to know more about that Joan Gordon wrote a History of the Yorkshire Terrier and how it was developed on the YTCA.org website.
I find it very humbling that a legacy such as the years of work, thought, and selections to have our noble breed the Yorkshire Terrier, to set the standard over 100 years ago is something I don't think we have earned any right to mess with. We do have an obligation to uphold and protect our breed, educate those who don't 'get it' and not just in Yorkshire Terriers but the purpose of the breed standards for all purebred dogs.
Colour which was strived for by the founders of the breed as outlined in the breed standard has been bred for, strived for, and upheld for over a century by Yorkshire Terrier breeder fanciers.
In summation, of anyone wanting to breed Yorkshire Terriers is to uphold our breed in what it is supposed to look like per the breed standard handed to us on a silver platter so long ago.

I agree with you 100%.. I loooove those beautiful Yorkies, I would never in a million years want to do anything to destroy them. If I could I would have beautiful traditional colored yorkies right alongside my "off colored" yorkies.. I love them all. I do not have the room nor the time needed to devote to everything I love so I have to focus and do the best job I can with what I already started.

We are not out to harm the Traditional Colored Yorkie..BUT.. there has got to be room for the off colored yorkie in this world.. If we could call them something else we would do it, but we can't because we are yorkies.. there is no way of getting around it and we are just not going to go away. So...what is it that can be done?

What productive thing can be accomplished? We get no where by calling us names.. we are not bad people and I really think most of you know that.. I understand your frustration.. really..

How can we move on? Where can we meet in the middle? What's the answer? There has to be a creative solution.. I know it's there somewhere..

-Diana

[bchgirl]

Originally Posted by manolos mom

Tammy, AKC means nothing....Puppy Mills, PetSTORES and fly by nights can get an AKC Registration. You need to move beyond that. I thought you where heading in the right direction when Mardeline had to help you whelp your puppies over the phone, REMEMBER? She stayed with you!! Because you brought life into this world. We thought you really wanted to learn and do the RIGHT THING for the BREED.....

I'd rather hope she did because it was simply the "right thing" to do.

[manolos mom]

Originally Posted by manolos mom

tammy, akc means nothing....puppy mills, petstores and fly by nights can get an akc registration. You need to move beyond that. i thought you where heading in the right direction when mardeline had to help you whelp your puppies over the phone, remember? she stayed with you!! Because you brought life into this world. we thought you really wanted to learn and do the right thing for the breed.....

she did.....read....

[GreenwoodBiewer]

Originally Posted by bchgirl

I'd rather hope she did because it was simply the "right thing" to do.

-Diana

[bchgirl]

Originally Posted by manolos mom

she did.....read....

I read it.
The last sentence and caused me to think otherwise as it sounded had it been believed Tammy didn't want to learn and do the right thing...your words...the help wouldn't have been extended.

My interpretation and perhaps not your intent.

[bchgirl]

What the heck was this thread originally about? Lol....

[GreenwoodBiewer]

Originally Posted by bchgirl

What the heck was this thread originally about? Lol....

Thank Goodness we have "moved on" from the original intent of this post!

[bchgirl]

Originally Posted by GreenwoodBiewer

Thank Goodness we have "moved on" from the original intent of this post!

Who's on first??? Lol

[Yorkiexpress]

Originally Posted by manolos mom

Then when I pulled up her site I saw that she is Breeding Chocolates....When will this stop? People need to think about the life they are bringing into the world. My God....

[Yorkiexpress]

Originally Posted by manolos mom

[Yorkiexpress]

If you (snow blue yorkies) are not intent to hurt anyone then please explain why you sent me ths hateful message on my FaceBook page after I unfriended you?
Snow Blue Yorkies
You know Connie I was on your friends list, I cried when your baby died. I related so much to your pain and I stood by you. Now because i have a parti yorkie you suddenly unfriend me. How wrong is that?? Its Sad how you treat people just because of the color of yorkie they raise.. So sad to be so prejudice!!!!!!!! I feel your heart will never be full again because you have so much hate in your heart. Don't bother responding, you have a closed mind and nothing I say will help so enjoy your bubble.

I have never spoken to you on FaceBook or ever....I don't even know your name, other than your kennel name....you were unfriended because I do not care for your breeding practices...I am sure you have healthy puppies....but my personal likes and dislikes are my personal business.....and I was doing what we all do at times ... I was cleaning out my friends lists...If in fact you did say something to me after Isabella's death, as did at least 1,000 others...I am forever grateful to all.....as for hate in my heart.....I hardly think so...I just can't understand why you would write something liek this someone you do not even know?

Originally Posted by manolos mom

Debbie, you are not breeding according to the YTCA. You proclaim to have Yorkies but it boggles my mind on why you are not following the YTCA guidelines with your "Yorkies". Chocolates and Partis are not following the YTCA guidelines for breeding. Are you saying you are breeding for a Trendy Pet Market? I am not writing this to be mean but just to understand.

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by GreenwoodBiewer

I agree with you 100%.. I loooove those beautiful Yorkies, I would never in a million years want to do anything to destroy them. If I could I would have beautiful traditional colored yorkies right alongside my "off colored" yorkies.. I love them all. I do not have the room nor the time needed to devote to everything I love so I have to focus and do the best job I can with what I already started.

We are not out to harm the Traditional Colored Yorkie..BUT.. there has got to be room for the off colored yorkie in this world.. If we could call them something else we would do it, but we can't because we are yorkies.. there is no way of getting around it and we are just not going to go away. So...what is it that can be done?

What productive thing can be accomplished? We get no where by calling us names.. we are not bad people and I really think most of you know that.. I understand your frustration.. really..

How can we move on? Where can we meet in the middle? What's the answer? There has to be a creative solution.. I know it's there somewhere..

-Diana

i didn't call anyone names. If you truly have the best interest of the Yorkie in mind and want to truly strive to breed towards the breed standard, you would be spay/neutering all your wrong colours and starting all over again. That would certainly uphold the legacy of the Yorkshire Terrier to the Yorkshire Terrier fanciers from those that made the commitment to bring the breed into the purebred world and have them recognized as purebreds along with their breed standard describing what they are supposed to be.
The creative solution is to LEARN what show dogs, purebreds are about and the whys and wherefores of breed standards regardless of the breed you are talking about.

[Yorkiexpress]

Originally Posted by Lorraine

I have no idea wher eyou get the idea of hatred. Colour in the YOrkie is about the breed standard handed down over a century ago now from the breeders that developed the breed, had it recognized and along the way the colour was defined with other colours not being acceptable.
All purebreds recognized by bona fide registries such as AKC in the US and CKC in Canada, have a breed standard. It always defines size in some form, some include colour and in some it has to be certain colour patterns depending on the breed you are talking about. That is what a breed standard is for.
The Yorkie show fanciers don't hate the Biewers or parti colour. Go ahead and put in the work, money time etc that purebred fanciers have put in to have their breed recognized, and have parti's or Biewers recognized as a purebred but they are not a yorkshire terrier.
Chocolates and blue born are yorkshire Terriers as a result of recessive genes. Never a good idea to breed for recessive genes. Health issues are usually carried along with them. They certainly are registerable with bona fide registries as Yorkshire Terriers but no reputable breeder would ever purposely breed for them. BEcause it is against the breed standard and breeding purposely for wrong colour is not breeding with the breed standard in mind. This is going to be the case with any purebred breed you are talking about.

[Yorkiexpress]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

No, it's a little more complicated than that. Every breed has a standard, an ethical breeder follows standard, and she doesn't pick and choose what parts of standard she personally likes. Say a breeder likes long floppy ears like a Maltese, should that breeder start breeding for that trait? Previous breeders have worked hard to create a standard and get breeding dogs to produce puppies that will resemble the mother and father. As you may know, when you breed two different breeds together, you really can't predict the results at all; it could look totally like one breed, or the other, or a mixture of both! The reason I’m in favor of purebred breeding, is that you can predict what the adult will look like and how it will behave, this is important so that dogs will not “disappoint” their owners and end up in rescue. If we didn’t have an overabundance of dogs that we kill each year, because no one wants them, this wouldn’t be such a problem and people could breed whatever. If you don’t follow standard, where do you stop? Some people want to change standard to have wiry hair, like a Cairn Terrier, some love the droopy ears like a Maltese, some love the black and white, rather than the blue and gold, but it’s the duty of the breed club to protect standard and never change it unless health issues have been a problem due to the written standard. This isn’t true with Yorkies, and in fact, it really isn’t known whether breeding for the white may cause more health problems. Hopefully the breeders who are breeding off color dogs are doing it for the right reasons, and will be responsible, and share their information with others, for example if they produce a puppy that is deaf, they should not only not breed the parents who produced it, but tell everyone who has a dog related to the dogs who produced it. By the way, for some to suggest that we are prejudiced because we believe in every breed having a standard and breeders following that standard, well, that’s is just ridiculous.