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KendraE · 04-10-2011, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

Oh, don't get mad - we're trying to understand and help the pregnant dog and you and readers of this thread maybe somehow about to be involved in something similar.

I guess I am confused. How are you, kind and willing person that you are, helping this pregnant Yorkie and her pups? Is it that you are going to whelp them and keep them the first 12 weeks, even though your original post said you are not ready for whelping? I'm just confused by how your personal involvement when you are not ready helps the dogs and also helps to change the BYB's attitutde about irresponsible breeding, while covering any legal liability you might incur in the process?

I guess I thought I would be helping in a couple of ways. This yorkie is on the smaller side, currently 6 pounds. If she gets in trouble I know I could get her help where I really don't think she would. also, the pups would be with their mother alot longer. Also, something very important I have somehow forgot to mention....she has agreed to sell these pups as pet only with a spay/neuter contract. I think (and perhaps it's not) this is great in hopefully ending the line of this litter.

Maybe, I am dreaming and not helping at all. Maybe everyones right and I'm being used. I do not have alot of whelping experience....just the 3 litters of pugs several years back. I think perhaps I am being foolish. My heart is in the right place, but your right.....how I am I actually helping? I'm not.

yorkietalkjilly · 04-10-2011, 02:32 PM

Well, one thing you could do is be willing to attend the whelping at BYB's house and if the dog gets in trouble and she won't get her help, be pro-active and call Animal Control and ask them what to do. I'll bet that would spur this person to get poor little mommie some help and you would not incur direct legal liability for whatever might happen to the mother and puppies. That might be safer for mommie and pups than trying to whelp a small mommie with just limited experience yourself and not all the supplies in the world like the vet will have.

If she has agreed to sell these puppies with that contract and end a faulty line of breeding dog's with tendencies to health problems, you have done a lot, Miss Kendra. If she will carry through with that, I would say you have saved dogs!

Keep on working on her about inappropriate breeding practices but don't let her use your kind heart to do things that she should be doing and report her for neglect if she doesn't do right by a dog. Maybe that combination approach is worth a try. Bless your heart for trying and keep your spirits up.

manolos mom · 04-10-2011, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by KendraE

No....I absolutely didn't intentionally try to cause a stir. I was tired when I posted. I assumed most of you had read my previous threads and would know the story. I should not have assumed. I am truly sorry for beginning this thread. I just wanted your support. I meant no wrong. If I could delete the entire thread, I would. I will not bother you all again on this topic. Thank you for your replies.

Situation- OK breeders get ready...because Im not!!! How can you not be prepared and taking on this kind of responsiblitly?
Bevo- Carries the (Blue) Gene and has been bred to one of your breeder(friends) Bitches. Are you going to have him neutered?

Mac- Blue Born puppy, father is Bevo and her friends bitch. Has Mac been neutered?

Your friends Bitch- Kendra as I typed out your situation sounds like you have too much on your plate. I would talk to your friend about neutering and spaying all of her dogs and bitches and to stop breeding.

YorkieRose · 04-10-2011, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by KendraE

I guess I thought I would be helping in a couple of ways. This yorkie is on the smaller side, currently 6 pounds. If she gets in trouble I know I could get her help where I really don't think she would. also, the pups would be with their mother alot longer. Also, something very important I have somehow forgot to mention....she has agreed to sell these pups as pet only with a spay/neuter contract. I think (and perhaps it's not) this is great in hopefully ending the line of this litter.

Maybe, I am dreaming and not helping at all. Maybe everyones right and I'm being used. I do not have alot of whelping experience....just the 3 litters of pugs several years back. I think perhaps I am being foolish. My heart is in the right place, but your right.....how I am I actually helping? I'm not.

What is to prevent another breeding of this bitch? Also...Unless this breeder has funds, enforcing a spay/neuter contract is meaningless...and many people breed CKC...or sell with no papers..here is south Florida I see people pay $2000 for a pet with no papers...I was talking to a woman at the beach and she paid $3500 for a CKC pup and they breeder never gave papers...people buy Yorkies, move, change phone numbers...when a person is set on breeding, you only stop them by having every fixed before selling...and that is costly...never seen a Byber do that....

PS..you have a good heart..I would like to breed a litter also...will you take my bitch, whelp and raise the pups until 12 weeks..then I will come and collect the litter...

ladyjane · 04-10-2011, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkieRose

What is to prevent another breeding of this bitch? Also...Unless this breeder has funds, enforcing a spay/neuter contract is meaningless...and many people breed CKC...or sell with no papers..here is south Florida I see people pay $2000 for a pet with no papers...I was talking to a woman at the beach and she paid $3500 for a CKC pup and they breeder never gave papers...people buy Yorkies, move, change phone numbers...when a person is set on breeding, you only stop them by having every fixed before selling...and that is costly...never seen a Byber do that....

I won't adopt with a spay/neuter contract. If someone wants to breed a pup, a few dollars is NOT going to stop them.

lillymae · 04-10-2011, 03:34 PM

Boy, is it just me or is the air full of nastiness today

YorkieRose · 04-10-2011, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by lillymae

Boy, is it just me or is the air full of nastiness today

Please tell me,, did I say anything nasty...seriouly I want to know.
I think the OP is a very good hearted person, the type unethical breeders use to their advantage..I learned it all first hand...sometimes you help, by NOT helping...

If this bitch was in trouble, I would go to the breeder and do all I could to get a good result, but I would not do her job and hand her the litter...and she may do it all over again.

AND..I do want to have a litter...but not go through all the stress...LOL

ladyjane · 04-10-2011, 03:40 PM

There is nothing nasty going on here.

Well, let's say there wasn't.

ArmaniMan · 04-10-2011, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkieRose

Please tell me,, did I say anything nasty...seriouly I want to know.
I think the OP is a very good hearted person, the type unethical breeders use to their advantage..I learned it all first hand...sometimes you help, by NOT helping...

agreed- I don't think anyone is being nasty. I think the OP has gotten in over her head because she wants to try and help so bad that she doesn't realize that the breeder is taking advantage of her.

ladyjane · 04-10-2011, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ArmaniMan

agreed- I don't think anyone is being nasty. I think the OP has gotten in over her head because she wants to try and help so bad that she doesn't realize that the breeder is taking advantage of her.

Exactly! And to ignore it would be wrong on our parts.

Nancy1999 · 04-10-2011, 03:56 PM

What's to become of the mama, will she go back to the byb too? I'm concerned because it seems like it will be much more difficult to her to readjust to crate life. Dogs who've only known crates aren't unhappy, but once you've given them a taste of freedom and treated them like a pet, going back to the crate may be very traumatic. Also, I've read that you do not want to treat her too much like a pet, she may want to sleep with you, and this can be dangerous if she whelps during the night.

lillymae · 04-10-2011, 04:04 PM

Hmmm, Did she breed this Bitch - No
Is it her dog - No
Is the breeder irresponsible - YES
Would the Bitch & pups be better off with Kendra - I believe so
Is Kendra doing her best to educate this BYB - I believe so
Is Kendra doing her best to convince this BYB to STOP breeding & spay/neuter her dogs - Absolutely
Is there a way to take back this breeding - No
Is Kendra trying her very best to ensure the Health & safety of Mom & pups,
I believe so, witch is more then the BYB is doing.
Is this Bitch a living breathing creature who deserves better then the hand she's been dealt - YES
What's done is done & can't be changed, but Kendra is doing her best to change any future breedings from this BYB. I think she deserves some credit for trying, witch is more then most people would do. She is going the distance for the dogs.

lillymae · 04-10-2011, 04:11 PM

Kendra, maybe instead of taking the pup she's offered , you could ask for the Bitch instead. Keep her as your pet & spay her after the pups are weened. That would deff be a good start, getting one breeding Bitch out of that situation.

Nancy1999 · 04-10-2011, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by lillymae

Kendra, maybe instead of taking the pup she's offered , you could ask for the Bitch instead. Keep her as your pet & spay her after the pups are weened. That would deff be a good start, getting one breeding Bitch out of that situation.

I like this idea. The breeder will probably breed the pups instead, but at least the mama will won't have to go back to that life, after knowing some kindness.

ArmaniMan · 04-10-2011, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by lillymae

Kendra, maybe instead of taking the pup she's offered , you could ask for the Bitch instead. Keep her as your pet & spay her after the pups are weened. That would deff be a good start, getting one breeding Bitch out of that situation.

This is what we have all been trying to say- when people's hearts take over they can unwittingly be taken advantage of. A BYB would LOVE to give up an "old" breeder dog instead of a puppy.

04-10-2011, 02:32 PM	#62
yorkietalkjilly ♥ Love My Tibbe! ♥ Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: D/FW, Texas Posts: 22,140	Well, one thing you could do is be willing to attend the whelping at BYB's house and if the dog gets in trouble and she won't get her help, be pro-active and call Animal Control and ask them what to do. I'll bet that would spur this person to get poor little mommie some help and you would not incur direct legal liability for whatever might happen to the mother and puppies. That might be safer for mommie and pups than trying to whelp a small mommie with just limited experience yourself and not all the supplies in the world like the vet will have. If she has agreed to sell these puppies with that contract and end a faulty line of breeding dog's with tendencies to health problems, you have done a lot, Miss Kendra. If she will carry through with that, I would say you have saved dogs! Keep on working on her about inappropriate breeding practices but don't let her use your kind heart to do things that she should be doing and report her for neglect if she doesn't do right by a dog. Maybe that combination approach is worth a try. Bless your heart for trying and keep your spirits up. __________________ Jeanie and Tibbe One must do the best one can. You may get some marks for a very imperfect answer: you will certainly get none for leaving the question alone. C. S. Lewis

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Nancy1999 I ♥ Joey & Ralphie! Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arizona Posts: 25,396 Blog Entries: 2	What's to become of the mama, will she go back to the byb too? I'm concerned because it seems like it will be much more difficult to her to readjust to crate life. Dogs who've only known crates aren't unhappy, but once you've given them a taste of freedom and treated them like a pet, going back to the crate may be very traumatic. Also, I've read that you do not want to treat her too much like a pet, she may want to sleep with you, and this can be dangerous if she whelps during the night. __________________ NancyJoey Proud members of the CrAzYcLuB and YAP! ** Just Say No to Puppymills – Join YAP! Yorkshire Terrier Club of America – Breeder Referrals

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lillymae YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Idaho Posts: 4,544	Boy, is it just me or is the air full of nastiness today

04-10-2011, 04:04 PM	#72
lillymae YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Idaho Posts: 4,544	Hmmm, Did she breed this Bitch - No Is it her dog - No Is the breeder irresponsible - YES Would the Bitch & pups be better off with Kendra - I believe so Is Kendra doing her best to educate this BYB - I believe so Is Kendra doing her best to convince this BYB to STOP breeding & spay/neuter her dogs - Absolutely Is there a way to take back this breeding - No Is Kendra trying her very best to ensure the Health & safety of Mom & pups, I believe so, witch is more then the BYB is doing. Is this Bitch a living breathing creature who deserves better then the hand she's been dealt - YES What's done is done & can't be changed, but Kendra is doing her best to change any future breedings from this BYB. I think she deserves some credit for trying, witch is more then most people would do. She is going the distance for the dogs.

04-10-2011, 04:11 PM	#73
lillymae YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Idaho Posts: 4,544	Kendra, maybe instead of taking the pup she's offered , you could ask for the Bitch instead. Keep her as your pet & spay her after the pups are weened. That would deff be a good start, getting one breeding Bitch out of that situation.