KAS---In Labor and Need Help

[yorkietalkjilly]

Well, I haven't read any posts in this thread that were hateful or threatening but thought the person was suggesting Private Messages or direct emails or something were sent. I think everyone that posted was being very stern as a dog's health and maybe even its life could be in jeopardy and everyone seemed trying to get the point across to the poster, young or not.

[TexasKat08]

Originally Posted by Sara1130

Posting this for KAS

Hi, my yorkie is in labor- shes pushing, but not very hard, so i think shes inbetween stage 1 an 2. Shes really tired, and shes having contractions. She really likes it when i pet her. Any advice? this is my first time breeding, and im really nervous and excited. ive been studying for weeks, and i think i know what to do, but im so nervous!
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Bailey and Me



Hope someone has some advice.

I'm still confused. This is the first post, that Sara re-posted on behalf of KAS. There is no indication whatsoever that this is a 13 year old girl. She states, "This is my first time breeding . . ." Would a 13 year old say this, much less be intentionally breeding her yorkie? It's been pointed out that she lives in a tiny town, perhaps in the country, which would maybe make this a little more understandable. And why wasn't her mom the one posting? Why would a kid be doing it?

Would giving calcium tablets relieve the symptoms she described if it is indeed a false pregnancy and the dog has lyme's disease? Or are we to accept that this was some amazing coincidence?

I highly commend all the breeders who offered their learned advice. I think if I was one of their ranks I would be quite reluctant to get drawn into these crazy dramas. The longer I am on YT (all of 2 months now!) the more I see how common these crazy threads are!

[GreenwoodBiewer]

I have not heard any updates.

[cally930]

Although most of my posts were strong, I truly hope I was not cruel or harsh. That is the last thing I would do seeing as how I, too, was given some strong words when I first came on YT. I was really feeling for this dog and wanted to do everything I could possible to make the OP understand that her situation needs the attention of a vet. I will continue to pray for this dog. I hope, in the end, everyone is ok.

And, also for the record, - I never PM'd the OP.

[TxVicki]

I do hope all turns out well for Bailey.
While I may have been harsh by saying get a cab and that the person sounded Immmature. I don't believe that I was out of line.
However it does bother me that threats were made. I truely hope that's not true.

[bellemarie]

i really can't believe that some stooped so low- but i cant believe it was any of the members who were posting; of course, we havnt seen the mails, but agree that they should be forwarded.

i was young when i whelped my 1st litter, and by the time i was 12 i had already started my research on the breed and whelping, when only my granny had a yorkie who was not to be bred because I didnt know enough yet and knew that once the breeding began, i would do far more than my parents, and i was right- but being left in charge of a pregnant yorkie at 13? thats a bit much to expect her to handle.
so i'm sorry, but i dont think her age should really be a factor in telling people how wrong they were in their postings (i'm not refering to the threats- those are inexcusable). either her parents should have been more hands on, or they should not have allowed the girl to be bred.
i dont think telling someone with a pregnant And sick yorkie to get a cab is harsh- when my friends dog had unexpected pups and developed severe masitis, they didnt have a car, so called me who got my dad to drive them, but they told us if we couldnt not to worry, they would get a taxi... to me, that was normal concern, willing to do anything for mother and pups.

KAS- i'm so glad your girl was taken to the vet and is now getting the care she needs, but i understand why some where getting so blunt with you, in my 1st and reread of the posts, you didnt seem to be understanding the gravity of the situations you were describing. i'm not being mean or rude, but i think that if you took on the responsiblity of a whelp, you should have been more prepared and aware of any and all complications, and i hope you agree with that and will do more research before you breed again.

keep us updated after the vet visit tomorrow please! thoughts with you all for a good outcome!

[MauiGirl]

Kudos to the breeders and others who have all reached out to help what appears to be a dog in need.

Always remember that it is our passion for all dogs that brings us together here.

KAS, I hope you can appreciate how much we care for dogs, and will say and do whatever we can to ensure that they are properly cared for. If you were upset or frightened by anything said, please try to understand how truly concerned and frightened some of the members here were in thinking your dog may die if she didn't get to a vet. We are all doing the best we can to help you with the limited information we have about Bailey. I hope she is doing ok now.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

I reluctantly came on this thread at the request of Nancy. It's been damned if you do and damned if you don't lately, so I've been very aprehensiveon offerring advice as of late. Threads such as this one always leave me sick to my stomach.

Originally Posted by GreenwoodBiewer

Ok.. here is an update. I just got off of the phone with KAS, who is a very freightened 13 year old girl and her mother.

Before I give an update, I want to say that these people have recieved hate mail and threats. I understand how we all take this seriously and care about proper breeding practices with our beloved yorkies but I have seen on this forum how some use this venue to cut people apart who do not believe as they do. Those who feel that because they belong to a certain club or they have certain credentials or they have bred a certain number of years that they are the be all and end all and they use words to belittle and degrade. You have scared this child to death, worried her family and shown your colors. Those of you who offered help without judgements and truly listened to who was speaking to you, realized it was most likely a young child who needed help and assistance thank you, your colors shown brilliantly too.

OK.. Bailey is on her way to another vet. The first vet, the one they have been in contact with since yesterday, does not have an xray capabilities so they have an appt. at 2:30 central time in a larger town that has one. Their vet believes that this is a false pregnancy, he feels no puppy but they are doing an xray to confirm. He does believe Bailey has lymes disease as her symptoms seem to indicate this, however, treatment can not be started until they are sure there is no pregnancy.

They will call me after the second appt to update..

They appreciate the help they have been given but please, let's try and maintain some calm without being so critical before we really know the entire situation. I understand how emotions can get the better of us.. I've been there myself many times.. especially when we feel someone is not doing all they can for a helpless animal.. but to send hate mail and threaten is way beyond reasonable.

Diana

Since Jim and I were the only breeders ( where were you?) that responded to this young lady your post was directed at both of us. However, if you've read through this entire thread.....firmness did not come into play until the young lady began to take the situation lightly. She offerred no information on her age or detailed information on what was transpiring.

If you are insinuating that either of us are directing hate mail to this young lady and her family there is no validity to that accusation.

This young lady had been posting desperate posts on several older posts over the last 48 hours, requesting advice and not taking it. Where were her parents during this situation. They should be monitoring their daughter's internet actions.

As I stated above, damned if you do and damned if you don't.

[YorkieRose]

I did not respond as I thought other breeders said what needed to be said...
What I have never understood about people who are suppose to be full of love, can be so full of hate...
I love Yorkies. I love all dogs, but for the life of me I could never threaten or send hate email to anyone for anything...I am pretty good at giving a scolding to some who act stupid...

Sending best wishes to all involved...

[Furbaby Friend]

I would like to clarify that I was NOT referring to Jim or Mary in my statement that some things should not have been said. IMO they were completely in line and did nothing wrong. I sincerely thank them for being there for any poster in need, even though they are often not heeded, which is a shame.

I don't feel that they acted like they were the end all and be all or degraded anyone. They offered pointed, matter of fact advice and did not get firm until they thought the OP was not getting the severity of the situation. Even then, they were not harsh or mean. They handled themselves better than I ever could, which is why I kept my mouth shut until the whole thing was resolved. I feared I would be so harsh I would get myself banned.

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by GreenwoodBiewer

(partial quote).Ok.. here is an update. I just got off of the phone with KAS, who is a very freightened 13 year old girl and her mother.

I understand how we all take this seriously and care about proper breeding practices with our beloved yorkies but I have seen on this forum how some use this venue to cut people apart who do not believe as they do. Those who feel that because they belong to a certain club or they have certain credentials or they have bred a certain number of years that they are the be all and end all and they use words to belittle and degrade.

It is very kind of you to support this person and update everyone. Thank you.

Others offered support as well, and it didn't appear to me that it had to do with a certain club or belief system. I think everyone was terribly concerned about the life of this dog. I think the advice given to get this dog to a vet immediately would have been the same regardless of age, experience, or anything else. That's just my opinion though.

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Since Jim and I were the only breeders ( where were you?) that responded to this young lady your post was directed at both of us. However, if you've read through this entire thread.....firmness did not come into play until the young lady began to take the situation lightly. She offerred no information on her age or detailed information on what was transpiring.

If you are insinuating that either of us are directing hate mail to this young lady and her family there is no validity to that accusation.

This young lady had been posting desperate posts on several older posts over the last 48 hours, requesting advice and not taking it. Where were her parents during this situation. They should be monitoring their daughter's internet actions.

As I stated above, damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Mary, you and Jim have always offered all breeders support during whelping - even when/if they weren't breeding under appropriate conditions. I can't even count the number of times you have helped complete strangers on this forum.

[Sara1130]

Well seeing that I am responsible for starting this thread for KAS. I have been monitoring it and I did not feel anyone was being mean or hateful in it. The situation that was described clearly showed that this dog needed to get to the vet. If it was a 13 year old that was posting and by the sound of her posts that would make sense then her parents need to take some blame and step up for not fixing the situation.

Yes, I did send a PM before this thread was started to explain how to start the thread. My PM only gave her instructions on how to post a thread in the breeder section and not on older posts. When she could not do that then I stepped in and made a thread for her.

If someone did send them hateful or threatening emails or PM then I would hope that admin would step in and fix that once and for all. We may all not agree with what someone is doing but for someone to threaten anyone else is grounds for automatic banning in my opinion.

To the breeders that posted. You did an EXCELLENT job!!! My hat's off to you in stressing the dire need to get this girl to the vet. Your passion in this breed was shown during this thread and I am so thankful that there are people like you that will not sugar coat the importance of medical care. GOD BLESS YOU!!!!!!!!

[gemy]

First I hope that Bailey is alright. Lymes Disease can be pretty serious. I hope we can be updated on the health of Bailey.

Like everyone else that posted on this thread, there is no justification for threatening emails, and if they came through PM, to this OP, then she needs to report them to Admin.

A suggestion though for ADMIN: Can we have a different highlight color on JUNIOR members who post here, they are shown in different colors on the main page that shows who is on at any given time. At least then, we would know we are actually dealing with a young person.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by gemy

First I hope that Bailey is alright. Lymes Disease can be pretty serious. I hope we can be updated on the health of Bailey.

Like everyone else that posted on this thread, there is no justification for threatening emails, and if they came through PM, to this OP, then she needs to report them to Admin.

A suggestion though for ADMIN: Can we have a different highlight color on JUNIOR members who post here, they are shown in different colors on the main page that shows who is on at any given time. At least then, we would know we are actually dealing with a young person.

Great idea Gale. But, since it's been such a long time since I joined, is it a requirement to give your age?

But, I do think Purple would be a nice color.

[Beamers Mom]

Originally Posted by gemy

First I hope that Bailey is alright. Lymes Disease can be pretty serious. I hope we can be updated on the health of Bailey.

Like everyone else that posted on this thread, there is no justification for threatening emails, and if they came through PM, to this OP, then she needs to report them to Admin.

A suggestion though for ADMIN: Can we have a different highlight color on JUNIOR members who post here, they are shown in different colors on the main page that shows who is on at any given time. At least then, we would know we are actually dealing with a young person.

Does admin know the ages of the members though?