need some advice please.... teacup yorkie had pups

[YorkieProud]

Originally Posted by LunasMomma

Good job!

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Lol, no one can accuse you of not reading!

Originally Posted by gemy

That is amazing; I don't know how you did that, but what a wonderfull tool for future readers of this thread.

Thank you so much for doing that. What struck me was the consistency of the advice and recommendations given. We are from different countries, different ages, different experiences with Yorkies, but there ya go, we speak a similar language.

Thanks guys,
I try to absorb as much information from this site as humanly possible. It really ticks me off, when great information is totally ignored. That is why I pulled out all the great points in this thread. I don't like why threads like these originate, but I got to tell you that I have learned so much from them. Threads like this changed my way of thinking on breeding and the entire Yorkie breed, and I am thankful for them. I hope that doesn't sound bad.

P.S. Hey Nancy, my first attempt to post a reply ran over by about 2400 words and I had to go back and edit. LOL

[WV~Yorkies]

Originally Posted by peanut

Well we may all be idiots in your book, and you may not read this or respond again, but let me tell you this from someone thats KNOWS about the other side of whelping. Your bitch got very lucky, no thanks to you. I am sorry, but I have had to pull out puppies to save their lives, and I have had to pull out one that had got stuck in the bitch, and I can tell you from experience, no I am not a vet, it wasn't fun pulling out a dead puppy. My girl was 7 lbs, and breed to a 4 lb boy. So consider yourself LUCKY, and as for doing it again, my best advice for you since your not a breeder,(as you say) SPAY the bitch, before you lose her, just because she did it once, doesn't mean she will again, every whelping is different and yes if a pup gets stuck, YOU will have to do something, pull it out, or take her to the vet, but chances are you will not make it in time, and lose all of them.
If you aren't a breeder, then why put her through it, so think long and hard before you let them get "hooked" up again.

Great post!

[Elle]

Can anyone imagine holding a dead puppy within hours you are on a thread like this trying to explain breeding her again?

Please spay her. I understand the miracle of life. I think we all do. But one must acknowledge the loss of life, the responsibility of life, all the "other things" associated with breeding. You were very lucky you didn't loose your bitch that time. Reading your replies hurt me. I think you just missed all of this. Nobody is out to make you a bad person. You aren't "doing right" by your "new mama". Neither of you are ready for this. If you want to be a breeder, there's ways to go about it. But she is not the answer. It doesn't matter if you don't sell any of her babies, don't register them or anything else as you stated. Breeding is breeding and you put her life in danger. Please spay her. She is too small to breed.

I'd need proof that an emergency vet gave advice to anyone that isn't a patient. What breed did you breed her with? This was left out, wasn't it?

[Beamers Mom]

Originally Posted by gemy

That is amazing; I don't know how you did that, but what a wonderfull tool for future readers of this thread.

Thank you so much for doing that. What struck me was the consistency of the advice and recommendations given. We are from different countries, different ages, different experiences with Yorkies, but there ya go, we speak a similar language.

And the Op said she didn't want the advice of breeders who sell their pups (or words to that effect, I would have to go back to look at the exact wording)

Well, don't know about the others, but I am not a breeder, so she definitely got advice from non-breeders to. I have Lil Bit spayed, and I have Beamer neutered. Lil Bit would never have been a good example to breed from if I was a breeder. And Beamer is neutered because although he is a "stud" in one sense He is defintiely not going to get some little cutie pregnant.

This Op reminds me of a lady that came to the house once to groom Beamer, this was before he was neutered. She said she knew lots of Yorkie owners who would love to have him mate with their females.
I told her that he was being neutered, and he is a pet and I bought him as a pet without papers as I didn't intend him as anything other than a pet. She actually said that him not having papers wouldn't matter, and I could make money from allowing him to father some puppies!!!!
I have a different groomer now!

[Elle]

Originally Posted by Beamers Mom

And the Op said she didn't want the advice of breeders who sell their pups (or words to that effect, I would have to go back to look at the exact wording)

Well, don't know about the others, but I am not a breeder, so she definitely got advice from non-breeders to. I have Lil Bit spayed, and I have Beamer neutered. Lil Bit would never have been a good example to breed from if I was a breeder. And Beamer is neutered because although he is a "stud" in one sense He is defintiely not going to get some little cutie pregnant.

This Op reminds me of a lady that came to the house once to groom Beamer, this was before he was neutered. She said she knew lots of Yorkie owners who would love to have him mate with their females.
I told her that he was being neutered, and he is a pet and I bought him as a pet without papers as I didn't intend him as anything other than a pet. She actually said that him not having papers wouldn't matter, and I could make money from allowing him to father some puppies!!!!
I have a different groomer now!

That's leery, a groomer that wants your dogs genes. This gives me the willys. Like the babysitter nursing.

[Yorkiedaze]

Thank goodness Yorkie Talk didn't exist when I went thru breeding my Boston. Before she went into her third heat cycle, I found a lady who shows Bostons and ask if she would consent to mine breeding with her champion. She set up an appointment to see my girl before she would commit. She knew I had never bred a dog before and didn't know much about it, but she didn't offer advice. My girl had four but took so long she didn't have strength to get the fifth one out so I rushed her to the Vet. where he did a C section on her. She almost died, and she ended up with staff infection. I had to bathe her and the pups every day for I think about a week. I've never bred another dog after that experience. Had I'd been on YT, I'm sure I would be asking for help only to have been told, in no uncertain terms, what a bad person I am for not doing my home work first, instead of "letting" me know what to do, "then" talk to me about the cons of breeding if not experienced.
I'm just putting myself in lovemymisty's place and know how horrible she must feel.
I've learned more from reading Mardelin's posts about whelping & all the things needed to have on hand and how to do it all, than I ever got from any book or other people. THAT's what I would have loved to hear when I had my little Boston!

[LunasMomma]

Originally Posted by Yorkiedaze

Thank goodness Yorkie Talk didn't exist when I went thru breeding my Boston. Before she went into her third heat cycle, I found a lady who shows Bostons and ask if she would consent to mine breeding with her champion. She set up an appointment to see my girl before she would commit. She knew I had never bred a dog before and didn't know much about it, but she didn't offer advice. My girl had four but took so long she didn't have strength to get the fifth one out so I rushed her to the Vet. where he did a C section on her. She almost died, and she ended up with staff infection. I had to bathe her and the pups every day for I think about a week. I've never bred another dog after that experience. Had I'd been on YT, I'm sure I would be asking for help only to have been told, in no uncertain terms, what a bad person I am for not doing my home work first, instead of "letting" me know what to do, "then" talk to me about the cons of breeding if not experienced.
I'm just putting myself in lovemymisty's place and know how horrible she must feel.
I've learned more from reading Mardelin's posts about whelping & all the things needed to have on hand and how to do it all, than I ever got from any book or other people. THAT's what I would have loved to hear when I had my little Boston!

Actually, if you had bothered to read the OP's mostly ignorant and rude responses, you'd KNOW that she doesn't feel terrible about anything. She came here to get some "Oh poor you"s and someone to tell her that what she's done is okay. Go and read the WHOLE thread!!!

[WV~Yorkies]

Originally Posted by peanut

Well we may all be idiots in your book, and you may not read this or respond again, but let me tell you this from someone thats KNOWS about the other side of whelping. Your bitch got very lucky, no thanks to you. I am sorry, but I have had to pull out puppies to save their lives, and I have had to pull out one that had got stuck in the bitch, and I can tell you from experience, no I am not a vet, it wasn't fun pulling out a dead puppy. My girl was 7 lbs, and breed to a 4 lb boy. So consider yourself LUCKY, and as for doing it again, my best advice for you since your not a breeder,(as you say) SPAY the bitch, before you lose her, just because she did it once, doesn't mean she will again, every whelping is different and yes if a pup gets stuck, YOU will have to do something, pull it out, or take her to the vet, but chances are you will not make it in time, and lose all of them.
If you aren't a breeder, then why put her through it, so think long and hard before you let them get "hooked" up again.

[Yorkiedaze]

Originally Posted by LunasMomma

Actually, if you had bothered to read the OP's mostly ignorant and rude responses, you'd KNOW that she doesn't feel terrible about anything. She came here to get some "Oh poor you"s and someone to tell her that what she's done is okay. Go and read the WHOLE thread!!!

Exactly what I'm talking about. Did you ask me if I had read the "WHOLE" thread?

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by LunasMomma

Actually, if you had bothered to read the OP's mostly ignorant and rude responses, you'd KNOW that she doesn't feel terrible about anything. She came here to get some "Oh poor you"s and someone to tell her that what she's done is okay. Go and read the WHOLE thread!!!

Agreed. The girl had just finished whelping and the owner was looking to the next breeding.

Not sure what advice she wanted, but more than likely she wanted affirmation for her to go ahead and breed her again. Advice was given, very straight forward advice and of course she was told that she didn't have the experience or knowledge to do so. Her indignant responses and her name calling only revealed that she didn't want advice or wanted to learn.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Yorkiedaze

Exactly what I'm talking about. Did you ask me if I had read the "WHOLE" thread?

Just a bit confused then. This girl didn't do her homework, killed a puppy because of her lack of knowledge and felt no remorse over it.

[LunasMomma]

Originally Posted by Yorkiedaze

Exactly what I'm talking about. Did you ask me if I had read the "WHOLE" thread?

Wow. Ok.

I didn't ask if you'd read the whole thread, because it really seemed as if you hadn't. Your post seemed to ignore the fact that this person was given very good advice, and maybe some of it was on the "harsher" side, but would you rather we mollycoddle folks like this, when they come here looking for validation? What she did, allowing the puppy to die, was out of ignorance and being unprepared. So, are we just supposed to say, oh poor you, of course you should listen to someone that says to just let a puppy die Oh, and of course you should breed her again, as soon as she's in heat again. Really?!?!

It's posts like YOURS that encourage this type of behavior. The OP is NOT THE ONLY ONE READING these posts. There are many others that never register, or log in, that may be thinking about breeding and BY GOD, I for one want to make sure that they all get the same message: Breeding DOES NOT happen by accident, it's carelessness. If you don't know what the heck you're doing, then do some more research and find a mentor FIRST. Heck, we could use more GOOD breeders that care about whatever breed they choose to breed, and that do their homework. I am one of those people that used to think that I wanted to breed Yorkies. I thought, "How hard could it be, the dogs have sex and the bitch does all the work, AND I'll be able to sell the puppies for lots of money" Well, the more I read here about breeding and all it entails to do it RIGHT---the less inclined I was to breed. Anything, ever

It seems like you're always defending these people, and honestly, the DOGS are the ones that could use your help.

[IamMiasmom]

Welcome to YT, I know there is a lot of experience on this forum and it will help you as the family maturess. I hope you can take the info and use it so everyone continues to do well. I realize it can come across direct but it will be helpful. I am rather new and have learned oodles! Whelping can be dangerous in the best of circumstances but when you make it even more risky with toy's it can be even more dangerous. Please post pics of the family. I wish you the best, so far you have been very lucky.

[BamaFan121s]

Why am I not surprised that there was someone willing to jump in and actually defend this OP. Sadly, I've come to expect no less. To heck with the dog and heaven forbid someone with a blatant disregard for the health and well being of their dog receive a healthy dose of reality. Heck, I'm just surprised it took 5 pages. So typical.

[mimimomo]

Originally Posted by Yorkiedaze

Thank goodness Yorkie Talk didn't exist when I went thru breeding my Boston. Before she went into her third heat cycle, I found a lady who shows Bostons and ask if she would consent to mine breeding with her champion. She set up an appointment to see my girl before she would commit. She knew I had never bred a dog before and didn't know much about it, but she didn't offer advice. My girl had four but took so long she didn't have strength to get the fifth one out so I rushed her to the Vet. where he did a C section on her. She almost died, and she ended up with staff infection. I had to bathe her and the pups every day for I think about a week. I've never bred another dog after that experience. Had I'd been on YT, I'm sure I would be asking for help only to have been told, in no uncertain terms, what a bad person I am for not doing my home work first, instead of "letting" me know what to do, "then" talk to me about the cons of breeding if not experienced.
I'm just putting myself in lovemymisty's place and know how horrible she must feel.
I've learned more from reading Mardelin's posts about whelping & all the things needed to have on hand and how to do it all, than I ever got from any book or other people. THAT's what I would have loved to hear when I had my little Boston!

I'm sure you had (I hope) the common sense to rip open the sack if the mom didn't...& you had the instincts to take your girl right away to the vet. After your ordeal, you decided breeding is not for you.
The OP specifically made this thread to see if she can breed her girl again. She has the intentions...her being defensive says it all!