Yorkshire Terrier Club of Ethical Hobby Breeders

[kpstoybox]

Originally Posted by gardenyorkies

This is an interesting example...The Cocker Spaniel is either Parti colored or solid nothing in between...The Yorkshire Terrier is not a solid colored dog so the example for genetics is not the same!

The parti gene works the same in both breeds.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Disney

Well purposing show parti carrier to get champion in your line is so unethical I cannot fathom. I would disgusted at exhibitor who deceive like that.

why is it unethical, if the dog meets the standard? The standard does not say what genes the dog can or cannot carry. So how can it be unethical.

Again i will remind you, that if you know nothing about the topic, you should be reading and learning and not offering opinions.

[gardenyorkies]

Originally Posted by kpstoybox

The parti gene works the same in both breeds.

So genetically does it act the same way causing medical issues like other breeds...I know that adding white to other breeds has been a health nightmare...Causing blindness, deafness ....How do we know that you will only take on the genetic part of the genes you are hoping for and not adding even more health problems to a breed that already has enough genetic health problems?...Just asking

[kpstoybox]

Originally Posted by Disney

Well purposing show parti carrier to get champion in your line is so unethical I cannot fathom. I would disgusted at exhibitor who deceive like that.

Where have I heard this before? Is there an echco? Or maybe a parrot. Hmmmm

[Disney]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

why is it unethical, if the dog meets the standard? The standard does not say what genes the dog can or cannot carry. So how can it be unethical.

Again i will remind you, that if you know nothing about the topic, you should be reading and learning and not offering opinions.

And I remind you that Ann and Admin has said everyone is entitle to their opinion whether you approve or agree with me offering one or not. Also that you say before you would let this go.

I will elaborate. It unethical to knowingly show parti carrier if you doing it to improve your stock, it purposely deceiving and betraying trust. You even said pages back that you understood why that make people angry? Or did I misunderstood?

[gardenyorkies]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

why is it unethical, if the dog meets the standard? The standard does not say what genes the dog can or cannot carry. So how can it be unethical.

Again i will remind you, that if you know nothing about the topic, you should be reading and learning and not offering opinions.

The dog may appear to meet the standard but you are showing this dog in order to get a dog finished with an akc title for the wrong reasons....that is back handed and unethical IMO....

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Yes I think you are right, we need to specify that the spotting is to be random and of not particular placement or size or number.

I'm not sure what the judges, that are judging them, are using as a guide, since I am not showing.

Maybe they don't evaluate the color at all. maybe when it comes to color, anything goes.

Oh I'm so glad someone understands what I was trying to say. I think it may be up to breeders who believe that the parti line has merit to come up with a standard, other than "anything goes", because this just isn't enough of a standard, you have to look at it from the judges viewpoint and how they would judge one dog against another. Getting all the parti breeders to agree on a concise standard may be difficult, and consistently being able to breed for that standard would be necessary, but if you are seriously interested in being considered more than just pet breeders, these things will need to be done.

[Disney]

Originally Posted by kpstoybox

Where have I heard this before? Is there an echco? Or maybe a parrot. Hmmmm

[gardenyorkies]

Originally Posted by kpstoybox

Where have I heard this before? Is there an echco? Or maybe a parrot. Hmmmm

This response is why threads get closed on this forum....

[Disney]

Originally Posted by gardenyorkies

The dog may appear to meet the standard but you are showing this dog in order to get a dog finished with an akc title for the wrong reasons....that is back handed and unethical IMO....

Agree! Not helping your own cause at all either...Why detrimental own cause?

[Disney]

Originally Posted by gardenyorkies

This response is why threads get closed on this forum....

What even referring to? I totally lost. Is insult?

[gardenyorkies]

Originally Posted by Disney

What even referring to? I totally lost. Is insult?

You have not done anything wrong...You have a right to your opinion!

[Disney]

Originally Posted by gardenyorkies

You have not done anything wrong...You have a right to your opinion!

I do not understand why she talk about echoes and bird.

[Miracle Yorkies]

Hello everyone. Thanks to everyone for your interest in the new club: YTCEHB. I haven't read all of the threads, but have read many of them. I became a member here at YT because of the interest in the club. I probably won't participate often as I find the site difficult to navigate and I happen to be one of those "thin skinned" people who choose to stay away from as much negativity as possible. And that is my right and my choice. And the sad part is that the majority of the folks here are good and caring folks. It sometimes just takes one bad apple to spoil it for me. So, I choose to stand on my own and with that, have created YTCEHB. This is a BRAND NEW club, it is GROWING and any new club will have its bugs to work out and its mountains to climb. It will take members to help it grow. It will take participation. It will take discussions. We have our own discussion group in place as well for the group members only. Right now, yes, it is slow. But with perseverance and growth, it will happen. For me, in a perfect world, we would all get along, help one another in the growth of what we do and respect the differences of opinions on some issues. YTCEHB is here for those of you who want to breed within a set of guidelines that promote ethical caring breeders, but also have the freedom to make certain choices without being judged by others or looked down upon. It is here for mature non judgmental caring breeders who love and care about the breed to help one another, learn from one another, learn from shows, learn from online groups, books, magazines, and learn in any positive ways that are available. I think most ethical caring breeders know the difference between right and wrong. We are not here to label anyone as a show breeder, hobby breed or back yard breeder. Labels are just that: "labels". And to try to agree on what that label means is just everyones' personal opinion. As far as the members listed with listings of their breeding programs on our website, I don't understand the problem with that. We are all proud to be members and want to get the word out about who we are and what we stand for. For me, yes, I LOVE breeding. I love the whole process. I LOVE having six litters a year. I love watching the puppies I produce look better and better as my breeding program grows. I LOVE making puppy buyers happy and giving them quality beautiful healthy puppies with beautiful ears, coats and faces. I don't see anything wrong with that. I have a great passion for what I do. We all have our own goals in life. Some want to show and produce the best show dog. Some want to produce beautiful healthy puppies to make people happy. And to be looked upon as breeders who do not care about the breed, to me, is just plain sour grapes. I respect those who show and am happy they are following their passions. In turn, I demand respect for those of us who are working hard to do our best to produce good quality puppies and love doing it. We all learn in different ways. Just as people who learn to be doctors or lawyers learn in different ways. We can learn in different ways. I learned to be a barber by going to school and getting my license. The gals who worked for me, learned by hands on training in my shop. Some people go to college to learn, some people go to trade school to learn, some people learn with on the job training, some people learn by reading, some learn by researching online. So, the same goes for breeding. And if your heart is truly in it, you will shine. If you are indeed an uncaring breeder, that will be known as well. Thanks and I look forward to more of you becoming members of our small but growing club.

http://www.yorkshireterrierclub.com

Marsha Pressley

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

why is it unethical, if the dog meets the standard? The standard does not say what genes the dog can or cannot carry. So how can it be unethical.

Again i will remind you, that if you know nothing about the topic, you should be reading and learning and not offering opinions.

Jeannie, She's saying it's unethical taking a known parti carrier to get a CH tile because some, not you, keep harping that enhancing/coloring a standard yorkie is unethical...I don't see it being any different and yes both are unethical because showing a known Parti carrier to get a CH title and breeding for Partis is being just as decietful as enhancing/coloring the standard yorkie...