Yorkshire Terrier Club of Ethical Hobby Breeders

[Disney]

Then how would you judge them in ring? How would put them in standard so traditional and parti equal without favouring one coat? Have parti breeder thought of fair way to include both?

Maybe the YTCA does not want change standard because too difficult to include both coat?

[Disney]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Don't you understand that you need more of a description that that? You need to be more specific on head, legs, and saddle color. How would a judge decide on the best example of the parti color if there is no real description? How would breeders know which dogs to breed if there was no real description? If you are just breeding for the parti trait and that all, then you are only breeding for pets.

I think issue is parti are sold for thousand and thousand of dollar and even with coat fault, they just not good type. That why many of us believe one trait breeders.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Don't you understand that you need more of a description that that? You need to be more specific on head, legs, and saddle color. How would a judge decide on the best example of the parti color if there is no real description? How would breeders know which dogs to breed if there was no real description? If you are just breeding for the parti trait and that all, then you are only breeding for pets.

Random is random. If it has a specific pattern or placement, it is no longer random.

The term parti means random.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Random is random. If it has a specific pattern or placement, it is no longer random.

The term parti means random.

I have never heard that the word "parti" means "random". Are you sure? Are there any web definitions that state that? The word random means lacking any definite plan or order or purpose; governed by or depending on chance; "a random choice"; "bombs fell at random"; "random movements." define:random - Google Search I still don't think that's a good enough description, some Biewer clubs have found a way to write standard, and this needs to be done before anyone will take you seriously.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Disney

Then how would you judge them in ring? How would put them in standard so traditional and parti equal without favouring one coat? Have parti breeder thought of fair way to include both?

Maybe the YTCA does not want change standard because too difficult to include both coat?

Judges all have preferences. some like lighter, some like darker. Randlom simply means random, no specific pattern.

Yes the fair way to include both would be to include a category for the parti and let them be judge against other partis and not against the traditionals.

many other breeds have different color categories. The cocker spanials have one flor black, olne flor parti, and one fior ASCOB (any solid color other than black) the YTCA could do the same thing.

Some day they will. mean while we need to just keep improving the parti dogs so when that day comes, the parti breeders have something to show.

We are not doing anything wrong. Everytime a new breed or color was being developed they have run into opposition. Nothing new. it's just new to the yorkie world.

We are not asking them to change the traditilonal standard in any way, just asking them to add another category.

[chachi]

Im not debating anyone this is just a random question but the parti gene is in other breeds how are they judged in the rings or are they also disqualified from their breed clubs because of color fault. Im really curious about this

[Disney]

What I find interesting is comparison to other breed. Other breed that has other colour usually has multiple colour (pomeranian, chihuahua, poodle etc.)

Perhap YTCA no want include parti because there no real 'standard' to coat, and because their only one colour yorkie, adding second colour not desirable?

[Breezeaway]

You cannot dictate where or where not spots should be.
Same as the Parti cocker spaniel or any other parti color.
No standard dictates placement of color in AKC partis that I saw.
AKC registers parti color dogs 2 different ways. Only the ones registered as Yorkshire terrier-parti color are in our standard.
AKC decides by the photos you send in for which category they fit.
They can be registered as Yorkshire Terrier- Black and Tan Parti-color or
Yorkshire Terrier Black and tan with white markings.
Black and tan with white markings are not parti's

[Disney]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

You cannot dictate where or where not spots should be.
Same as the Parti cocker spaniel or any other parti color.
No standard dictates placement of color in AKC partis that I saw.
AKC registers parti color dogs 2 different ways. Only the ones registered as Yorkshire terrier-parti color are in our standard.
AKC decides by the photos you send in for which category they fit.
They can be registered as Yorkshire Terrier- Black and Tan Parti-color or
Yorkshire Terrier Black and tan with white markings.
Black and tan with white markings are not parti's

I has question. Does parti show up in every single breed dog, even if not recognized?

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I have never heard that the word "parti" means "random". Are you sure? Are there any web definitions that state that? The word random means lacking any definite plan or order or purpose; governed by or depending on chance; "a random choice"; "bombs fell at random"; "random movements." define:random - Google Search I still don't think that's a good enough description, some Biewer clubs have found a way to write standard, and this needs to be done before anyone will take you seriously.

I'm not sure where I first saw the definition, but this is what I found now. Actually the definitioln, might be on the AKC site.

parti-colored - Definition of parti-colored at YourDictionary.com

As for the Biewer, they do require a specific placement of color. We do not. random is random. But perhaps we should make that clear in our written standard, that there is no specific pattern required nor is there a certain percentage of color required. One spot would do it.

[kpstoybox]

Originally Posted by chachi

Im not debating anyone this is just a random question but the parti gene is in other breeds how are they judged in the rings or are they also disqualified from their breed clubs because of color fault. Im really curious about this

A very good question!

Here is just one example of the standard of an accepted parti color in an AKC breed that is allowed to show. Also note..this particular breed has THREE color varieties. Meaning 3 colors of the very same dog are sent to group. Why can't the parti yorkie be designated a variety if this breed was allowed 3? Most likely because the parent club was more open to change then the YTCA.

NOWHERE in this color standard for the parti cocker does it call for specific markings. Because as Jeanie has stated over and over...the parti gene is sporadic in how it places it's color. The Biewer people are realizing this as well.

American Kennel Club - Cocker Spaniel

Parti-Color Variety--Two or more solid, well broken colors, one of which must be white; black and white, red and white (the red may range from lightest cream to darkest red), brown and white, and roans, to include any such color combination with tan points. It is preferable that the tan markings be located in the same pattern as for the tan points in the Black and ASCOB varieties. Roans are classified as parti-colors and may be of any of the usual roaning patterns. Primary color which is ninety percent (90%) or more shall disqualify.


Hope this helps answer your question.

[Breezeaway]

AKC's definition of Parti-color Two or more definite, well-broken colors, one of which must be white. For example, Black Parti-color would be black and white. Color definitions may vary by breed. Always check the breed standard for the definitive color description.

[kpstoybox]

Originally Posted by chachi

Im not debating anyone this is just a random question but the parti gene is in other breeds how are they judged in the rings or are they also disqualified from their breed clubs because of color fault. Im really curious about this

I also meant to add..the parti poodle breeders are treated the same way by their parent club...the Poodle club of America. The Parti poodle (just like the parti yorkie) is allowed AKC registration, but not allowed to show in AKC events. But the UKC has accepted them for both registration and the right to show in a variety class. Big step for the parti poodle fanciers. I hope they will soon accept the parti yorkie as well.

[chachi]

Originally Posted by kpstoybox

I also meant to add..the parti poodle breeders are treated the same way by their parent club...the Poodle club of America. The Parti poodle (just like the parti yorkie) is allowed AKC registration, but not allowed to show in AKC events. But the UKC has accepted them for both registration and the right to show in a variety class. Big step for the parti poodle fanciers. I hope they will soon accept the parti yorkie as well.

Thats interesting and good to know . It kinda gives me a different perspective on this issue.Thanks for responding to My question

[kpstoybox]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Don't you understand that you need more of a description that that? You need to be more specific on head, legs, and saddle color. How would a judge decide on the best example of the parti color if there is no real description? How would breeders know which dogs to breed if there was no real description? If you are just breeding for the parti trait and that all, then you are only breeding for pets.

Why?

IMO...the Biewer people did that and just boxed themselves into a specific pattern they can not possibly adhere to. It would be a huge mistake if the parti did the same.